Author Topic: Holiday Gift Ideas (Read 1295 times)

Cannoneer · « **on:** December 08, 2009, 07:19:15 AM »

Tis the season for giving gifts, this might help with some ideas. I think Zulu will be interested in the first item shown, while I feel partial to the 14th (An excellent 19th century bronze cannon. Item A340). I'm not sure when I first saw this site, its got to be around three years ago, but a lot of the cannons that were on display then, are still being shown.
Click on the photo, or cannon.
KWS Antiques

BoomLover · « **Reply #1 on:** December 08, 2009, 07:57:30 AM »

Yep, got this one bookmarked!

dan610324 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 08, 2009, 08:11:20 AM »

the one at the bottom is really beautiful

Cannoneer · « **Reply #3 on:** December 08, 2009, 08:36:06 AM »

Dan,

The cannon that you mention has one dolphin that's leaning towards the center of the tube, and I've wondered why ever since first seeing it. Do you think this was caused by some type of accident when the gun was being cast, or is it a bad repair that was made because the handle was broken off the barrel?

dan610324 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 08, 2009, 12:20:08 PM »

I have no idea at all
the photos are of such low quality that it isnt possible to enlarge them enough to see why its angled
I also get a feeling that the photos are copied from an printed book when Im looking at them
then he claim that its a 16th or 17th century cannon

if he said mid 18th century I maybe could agree, but not without looking very carefully at it
center mounted trunnions ??
Ive never seen any period cannon with an "decorative" coat of arms
everything I have seen with an non existing coat of arms have been reproductions
so something in the back of my head say reproduction
Im absolutely not sure about that, but its just too many things that aint correct on that gun
but still its an beautiful cannon

Cannoneer · « **Reply #5 on:** December 08, 2009, 01:29:37 PM »

There are some questionable descriptions here, there's no doubt about that. I'd like to know what informs them that the small so called "probably Indian" cannon dates from the 1600's. There is one thing that's not in question, these folks have a strong faith in making huge profits on their sales.

KABAR2 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 08, 2009, 02:29:02 PM »

Things don't move fast on that site, I see some of the same items there that were there 2 years ago.....

RocklockI · « **Reply #7 on:** December 08, 2009, 04:48:31 PM »

My fav was that Vasa gun with the field gun muzzle . It had a rear mounted Dolfin instead of a regular castable ...........That is my 'stretch goal'

Gary

cannonmn · « **Reply #8 on:** December 08, 2009, 04:53:42 PM »

Allen's favorite A340 is a correct British m/l salute gun, at least the tube is totally correct. This one has what they say is a 58mm bore or whatever, I've seen a few of exactly that shape tube complete with vent protector, that were a full five feet long. One just went to sale in UK, estimate for it was something like 4000 pounds. It was a tube only.

I think the special anti-rigging shot they show is a complete fantasy item; no country ever put that much fanciness into a round of ammo, makes no sense. Plus it looks far too delicate to shoot out of a cannon without coming all apart and ruining the bore.

RocklockI · « **Reply #9 on:** December 08, 2009, 05:13:04 PM »

I was a wondering about how that rigging thingage would even colapse enough to fit into the bore and then survive that blast without going off in all dirctions ??

gary

GGaskill · « **Reply #10 on:** December 08, 2009, 05:35:05 PM »

Probably someone's patent model that was never accepted for service.

Cannoneer · « **Reply #11 on:** December 08, 2009, 06:53:55 PM »

Dear Santa .....................................................................

Double D · « **Reply #12 on:** December 09, 2009, 03:06:42 AM »

You ask you r wife first, If she says some form of no, I'll know not to ask mine!

Double D · « **Reply #13 on:** December 09, 2009, 07:18:22 AM »

I am working on the Martini Internet Resource List today and have ran accross some cannons. I post the links so you can pass them to "Santa">

http://www.bedfordguns.com/shop/viewphoto.php?shoph=10008&phqu=2

http://www.bedfordguns.com/shop/viewphoto.php?shoph=10027&phqu=3

http://www.bedfordguns.com/shop/viewphoto.php?shoph=10026&phqu=5

http://www.bedfordguns.com/shop/viewphoto.php?shoph=10025&phqu=5

Click on the return to shop button for description and price.

Double D · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2009, 07:21:35 AM »

http://www.antiquearmsandarmour.com/stock_detail.asp?ID=1145

http://www.antiquearmsandarmour.com/stock_detail.asp?ID=1081

Double D · « **Reply #15 on:** December 09, 2009, 07:26:22 AM »

A Westley Richards!!!

http://www.jcmilitaria.com/details.asp?ID=302

http://www.jcmilitaria.com/details.asp?ID=305

http://www.jcmilitaria.com/details.asp?ID=309

http://www.jcmilitaria.com/details.asp?ID=2470

Double D · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2009, 07:31:04 AM »

You will have wonder around this sight a bit to find things...starts with a gun for Dom!!

http://www.mainmast-conservation.co.uk/sales.htm

Double D · « **Reply #17 on:** December 09, 2009, 07:51:15 AM »

http://www.guns.uk.com/store/shop/shop.php?c1=Cannon

Double D · « **Reply #18 on:** December 09, 2009, 07:55:56 AM »

http://www.kirkemmerich.co.uk/militaria/spanish-cannons-display/

dan610324 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 09, 2009, 08:25:03 AM »

thats the funniest looking "dolphin" I ever have seen

Cannoneer · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2009, 08:41:55 AM »

Thanks, Doug; you've been one busy Santa's helper today, there's a lot of good stuff to peruse here. I've got to go back and check out that Westley Richards signal/salute gun.

Quote from: Double D on December 09, 2009, 03:06:42 AM

You ask you r wife first, If she says some form of no, I'll know not to ask mine!

DD; I don't have to ask, this might not be the exact answer, but they would all amount to the same thing: No!
'Put your jacket on Dear, I'm taking you to the ER, you are evidently suffering a high enough fever to cause this delirium.'
I'd have better odds of getting that cannon if I just mailed my letter to the North Pole.

Double D · « **Reply #21 on:** December 09, 2009, 09:36:23 AM »

Quote from: Boom J on December 09, 2009, 08:41:55 AM

Thanks, Doug; you've been one busy Santa's helper today, there's a lot of good stuff to peruse here. I've got to go back and check out that Westley Richards signal/salute gun.

Quote from: Double D on December 09, 2009, 03:06:42 AM
You ask you r wife first, If she says some form of no, I'll know not to ask mine!

DD; I don't have to ask, this might not be the exact answer, but they would all amount to the same thing: No!
'Put your jacket on Dear, I'm taking you to the ER, you are evidently suffering a high enough fever to cause this delirium.'
I'd have better odds of getting that cannon if I just mailed my letter to the North Pole.

Yeah, I know what you mean, it's kind of like "The Look".

cannonmn · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2009, 07:51:21 PM »

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A good antique field gun. The gun has a 33.5 inch iron barrel with a 2.25 inch diameter bore (6,5 inches at the breech). The gun is mounted on a grey wooden carriage. The carriage is supported by heavy iron shod 34 inch wheels. (This cannon comes with provenance).

Fake that doesn't even try to be antique. Who they think they'z kiddin'?

cannonmn · « **Reply #23 on:** December 09, 2009, 08:03:12 PM »

http://www.jcmilitaria.com/details.asp?ID=302

We're s'posed to believe that because someone has stamped WR in the thing, it was made by Westley Richards, OK. I think what was meant by the WR is "Weird Repro."

Double D · « **Reply #24 on:** December 11, 2009, 07:03:55 PM »

Yes it does lack that element of class you would expect on a Westly Richards arm..now if it had a Triangle...any way here some more to add to you wish list or trash can.

http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=13269

http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=10807

http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=12273

http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=11879

http://www.joesalter.com/detail.php?f_qryitem=10549

Cannoneer · « **Reply #25 on:** December 12, 2009, 09:16:35 AM »

Hey, that signal/salute gun may have been manufactured by Westley Richards, or perhaps it was owned by Will Rogers. In fact, I suppose that there could even be the remote possibility that it was both owned by Rgers, and made by Richards.
It's an interesting gun, you can see the line on the cascabel where it seperates when the firing pin is pulled back, or activated, and the opening on top of the barrel where the .32 blank is supposed to be loaded appears to be blocked with something. I wonder if the shell had to be extraced manually; and why a 30mm bore for a little .32 pop gun?
This gun kind of reminds me of cannonmn's 12 gauge top loader, but his gun is a lot more complex, and I think he said that it had an automatic extractor.

Double D · « **Reply #26 on:** December 12, 2009, 04:22:57 PM »

IF it were Made by Westley Richards, it would not be mm anything it would be inch.

Cannoneer · « **Reply #27 on:** December 12, 2009, 05:42:28 PM »

DD,
Those measurements, and the rest of the description of this gun come from the outfit that's trying to get rid of it, but I'm just fooling around; I really don't think there's any likelyhood of this salute cannon being made by Westley Richards.