Author Topic: 375 jdj...G2 or original (Read 969 times)

hunt4570 · « **on:** December 10, 2009, 07:25:30 AM »

Will a 375 JDJ work on an original contender,or only the stronger G2? Thanks..

Grumulkin · « **Reply #1 on:** December 10, 2009, 10:27:47 AM »

It will work with the "original" Contender.

hunt4570 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 10, 2009, 10:35:56 AM »

Thanks..

Ladobe · « **Reply #3 on:** December 11, 2009, 06:40:23 AM »

IAMA the 375JDJ was developed about 20 years before the G2 was even on TC's drawing board, it was developed for the Contender frame, not the G2.

Nobody is going to prove to me the G2 is stronger, but I'll leave that for another day.

hunt4570 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 11, 2009, 08:14:51 AM »

Quote from: Ladobe on December 11, 2009, 06:40:23 AM

IAMA the 375JDJ was developed about 20 years before the G2 was even on TC's drawing board, it was developed for the Contender frame, not the G2.

Nobody is going to prove to me the G2 is stronger, but I'll leave that for another day.

I thought being stronger was part of the redesign..maybe not though..I have both,but a rifle stock only for the original...hence my question. Thanks..

Keith L · « **Reply #5 on:** December 11, 2009, 01:55:08 PM »

The wings on the side of the G2 frame are for appearance sake: to make it look like an Encore. TC will never say it was to make them stronger.

Hopalong7 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 12, 2009, 03:32:58 AM »

The real difference between the original Contender and the G-2 lies on the inside. The G-2 is simplier with fewer...less intricate parts, making it easier(read cheaper) to build. The same sad story that goes with any quality product that has been produced over a long period of time.

hunt4570 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 12, 2009, 03:45:54 AM »

This is probably true, however the ability to lower the hammer and recock without having to break the action again it a nice feature.
And if its not stronger,why will the ML only work with the G2 and not the original..just so people buy the new one? That would be a very small percentage of buyers I think..

Hopalong7 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 12, 2009, 04:00:52 AM »

I will agree, the recock feature is nice, especially to someone that doesn't use the old Contender a lot. And, it may be a little bit of a safety factor too.

hunt4570 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 12, 2009, 04:45:27 AM »

Could be..About half the time I either reopen the breech,or at least think about it cause I'm so used to my original...and haveing to do so..plus I switch back and forth all the time..

nomosendero · « **Reply #10 on:** December 12, 2009, 07:24:20 AM »

Quote from: Keith L on December 11, 2009, 01:55:08 PM

The wings on the side of the G2 frame are for appearance sake: to make it look like an Encore. TC will never say it was to make them stronger.

Then why were the wings put on the Encore?

Back to the original question, JD developed & hunted in the round long before the G2 as previously stated.
That being said, I have no doubt that the G2 is stronger & offer some margin of safety, but it would be VERY stupid for TC to say that, realizing some would just push Contender loads to higher pressures, & some folks have both Cont. & G2 frames & may put a G-2 developed load in the tube while on a Cont. frame, hmmm. Some things are better left unsaid by a manufacturer. And as stated, being able to de-cock & re-cock is a good thing.

Ladobe · « **Reply #11 on:** December 12, 2009, 08:48:03 AM »

And so the misconceptions and wild speculations continue to flourish.

For the umpteenth time the Contender frame can also be recocked without opening the action if you know how to do it. I've posted how on this site and many others since before the G2 came along, but folks just don't seem to pick up on it.

Among for other things, much of the reason for the G2 was to give it a lawyers trigger for the upcoming unsafe handgun drop test portion of the California Dangerous Handguns Control Law (Chapter 1.3, #12128 starting 1/1/2001). It was generally assumed it would eventually become the standard in other states as well. That is fact right from the horses mouth (among other things) told to me when I was handed the prototype G2 "under the table" for my opinion of it at the 2000 SHOT Show. Neither Tim nor Ken said anything to me at all about the G2 being stronger than the Contender in any way, which I think they would have if it was since they both knew I was heavy into handcannon chamberings and they were hoping for my approval of the frame. They didn't get it.

The so called easy open frames (excluding the last version of it) were the best frames TC ever made IMVEO.

L.

Keith L · « **Reply #12 on:** December 12, 2009, 09:30:55 AM »

Quote from: nomosendero on December 12, 2009, 07:24:20 AM

Quote from: Keith L on December 11, 2009, 01:55:08 PM
The wings on the side of the G2 frame are for appearance sake: to make it look like an Encore. TC will never say it was to make them stronger.

Then why were the wings put on the Encore?

Most likely for strength. But since the barrels for G2 and Contender are supposed to be interchangable TC would be asking for trouble to claim the G2 is stronger and encourage people to chamber barrels that could wind up blowing up original Contenders. On the G2 it is styling.

Keith L · « **Reply #13 on:** December 12, 2009, 09:32:41 AM »

Quote from: hunt4570 on December 12, 2009, 03:45:54 AM

And if its not stronger,why will the ML only work with the G2 and not the original..just so people buy the new one? That would be a very small percentage of buyers I think..

TC claimed the originals with more parts were vulnerable to rust internally with BP barrels, and the G2 is less so.

nomosendero · « **Reply #14 on:** December 12, 2009, 09:51:37 AM »

Quote from: Keith L on December 12, 2009, 09:30:55 AM

Quote from: nomosendero on December 12, 2009, 07:24:20 AM
Quote from: Keith L on December 11, 2009, 01:55:08 PM
The wings on the side of the G2 frame are for appearance sake: to make it look like an Encore. TC will never say it was to make them stronger.

Then why were the wings put on the Encore?

Most likely for strength. But since the barrels for G2 and Contender are supposed to be interchangable TC would be asking for trouble to claim the G2 is stronger and encourage people to chamber barrels that could wind up blowing up original Contenders. On the G2 it is styling.

Yes, most likely for strength & you made my point right there & in your statement of original barrels being swapped back & forth from G2 to Cont., well you made my point again on that too!

If the wings make the Encore frame stronger then there is no reason they don't make the G2 stronger, nor is it logical in any way to say they are for strength in one frame, but for appearance only pon another, but it would be the act of a moron to state the G2 is stronger for the reasons I mentioned before & I can't believe anyone would have trouble understanding this.

Keith L · « **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2009, 11:07:06 AM »

The point is it doesn't really matter what you think: TC will never say that it is stronger. That will be begging for lawsuits. People would take barrels intended for the G2 and blow up original Contenders, get hurt and sue. Had they not made the G2 to work with original barrels, and G2 barrels to work with original frames maybe they could have made barrels for higher pressure loads. But TC has the Encore for that so it would have been aimed at a market that really didn't exist. Since the original frames (without wings) handle the pressures generated by properly loaded rounds intended for any of the G2s, the wings serve only one purpose. To make the G2 look like the Encore. TC will not recommend using a G2 under any more pressure than any Contender.

Ladobe · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2009, 01:25:49 PM »

Quote from: nomosendero on December 12, 2009, 09:51:37 AM

If the wings make the Encore frame stronger then there is no reason they don't make the G2 stronger, nor is it logical in any way to say they are for strength in one frame, but for appearance only pon another...

TC certainly didn't say the Encore is stronger because of the so called wings, so that is just more speculation. Since tossing out speculation is running so rampant, here's a couple more to take a logical look at. The Encore is stronger (or more properly stated will handle more pressure) because of shear bulk everywhere in its design, not just in the frames sides. It does afterall weigh about a pound more than the Contender.

Sounds more logical than the "wing" story to me, but then it too is just speculation without confirmation from TC's design team themselves.

hunt4570 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 12, 2009, 05:37:20 PM »

Wow..It was a pretty straight forward question to start with..but damn fine reading ever since..thanks..Oh and Ladobe..you want to explain again for me how to recock my original contender without reopening it? I didn't know that was an option.. Thanks..

nomosendero · « **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2009, 06:26:58 PM »

Quote from: Keith L on December 12, 2009, 11:07:06 AM

The point is it doesn't really matter what you think: TC will never say that it is stronger. That will be begging for lawsuits. People would take barrels intended for the G2 and blow up original Contenders, get hurt and sue. Had they not made the G2 to work with original barrels, and G2 barrels to work with original frames maybe they could have made barrels for higher pressure loads. But TC has the Encore for that so it would have been aimed at a market that really didn't exist. Since the original frames (without wings) handle the pressures generated by properly loaded rounds intended for any of the G2s, the wings serve only one purpose. To make the G2 look like the Encore. TC will not recommend using a G2 under any more pressure than any Contender.

The point is if you had read my first post I said exactly that, again I said it would be VERY stupid for TC to say that, so thanks for making my point yet again I guess. Actually, I never said it mattered what I think or what you think, but no doubt the G2 is stronger & no doubt TC will never say that for reasons that anyone can easily understand & have been stated several times. And actually it was stated in some of the early articles that the wings are there for strength, which was before the G2 came out. I would not expect TC to volunteer that info now, as this would put them in a box concerning the G2, although one should not have to be told that if you look at where they are from a pure engineering standpoint & one should not have to be told that making the overall size of the frame bigger & heavier with the Encore strengthens further, that's a given.

But it is speculation if our opinion is they are stronger or not, works for me & it's not important anyway.

hunt4570 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 13, 2009, 07:52:25 AM »

Well I bought the 375 JDJ barrel...and started a new thread.."New Toy in the making"...looking forward to it...