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Offline Bob Smith

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Another Russian site
« on: December 10, 2009, 08:31:25 AM »
Ruth found a very useful site, detailing cannons round Sebastopol
http://fort1854.narod.ru/variant_angl/pushki_russia.html
Good to be able to get more pictures and solid information out of Russia. The site was created by a retired Naval Officer from the Russian army, Yuri Kulikov.

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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2009, 08:45:01 AM »

No 6.  The small iron  the Russian cannon, calibre 61 mm. L with/without button 810/720 mm. Distance muzzle-trunnion axis 500 mm. Trunnion axis length 220 mm. No marks and inscriptions.


Would someone like to tell them what this is?   ;D
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2009, 10:42:46 AM »
Interesting display! Thanks for posting....
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2009, 11:16:33 AM »
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2009, 12:06:03 PM »
They wanted more spread to their canister rounds?
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2009, 12:28:38 PM »
From what I'm Finding, it's called a Prussian Shuvalov Howitzer known as the 'Unicorn' (I think) and I guess is a newer version of Shuvalov's secret howitzer.
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2009, 12:42:50 PM »
soot
how do you get these pictures ??
I have been trying to shorten the url but cant come to where I can look at the pictures
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2009, 12:43:42 PM »
I thought Unicorns were small guns (3 pounders) like this:



Unicorn in context
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2009, 01:20:16 PM »
Quote from: dan610324 on December 10, 2009, 12:42:50 PM
soot
how do you get these pictures ??
From the page that Bob Smith posted, at the bottom there is an exit button that takes you here.
Go to the Guns in the cities of the world link here.
At the bottom of that page are the links for the Prussian Shuvalov Howitzer.
I Googled Prussian Shuvalov Howitzer and found what I did. Apparently there were different sizes of unicorns.
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Re: Another Russian site
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Re: Another Russian site
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Re: Another Russian site
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Re: Another Russian site
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2009, 03:01:07 PM »
I hear the Russians are a bit short on cash these days, you might be able to go there and work out some good deals.
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2009, 03:03:56 PM »
This has got to be some the most intricate casting you ever see on cannons.  Those are some dolphins, one of them lost his head it appears.

http://fort1854.narod.ru/images/pushki_mira/piter/1064.jpg
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2009, 03:41:44 PM »
Quote from: cannonmn on December 10, 2009, 03:03:56 PM
This has got to be some the most intricate casting you ever see on cannons.  Those are some dolphins, one of them lost his head it appears.

http://fort1854.narod.ru/images/pushki_mira/piter/1064.jpg

Wait til Gary see's these ones!!!
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2009, 12:26:17 AM »
its just the crown on top of the head thats missing ;D
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2009, 01:19:36 AM »
Quote from: Soot on December 10, 2009, 03:01:07 PM
I hear the Russians are a bit short on cash these days, you might be able to go there and work out some good deals.

In the time when Russia was in real dire straights, with their military top brass not even getting paid, our intelligence agencies were worried about their generals selling nuclear tech and/or material to the highest bidders. I wonder if the person/people in charge of the St. Petersburg Artillery Museum may have managed to misplace a few of those fine bronze cannon and mortars out of all those hundreds that are lying outside along the building, in order to keep some vodka in the cupboard.
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2009, 01:42:31 AM »
Bob,
Thanks to your wife Ruth, I'm going to be able to keep myself out of trouble for a while, because I'm going to be occupied saving a lot of these photos to my PC picture file. Thank her for this find.
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2009, 06:57:48 AM »
Quote from: Double D on December 10, 2009, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: cannonmn on December 10, 2009, 03:03:56 PM
This has got to be some the most intricate casting you ever see on cannons.  Those are some dolphins, one of them lost his head it appears.

http://fort1854.narod.ru/images/pushki_mira/piter/1064.jpg

Wait til Gary see's these ones!!!

Are those russian guns or trophys ? The castable with the emblelished with the leaves looks alot like a Sweedish gun or Bravarian .

Then again I really dont know too much about Russian guns .

Gary     someday ...when the Ms are done . I gotta get back to dolfage !
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2009, 11:02:49 AM »
A question for Adrian Roads, or for anyone else that knows: Is this the same Bill Curtis who patiently answers all the questions posed to him on the MLAGB Forum?

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1.To Sudakov Valery, for his operation program -Editor  МЕТА tegs. 

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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2009, 05:45:33 PM »
RocklockI,



This unfinished cannon seems to be a relative of"SMEE" ;D


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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2009, 06:56:50 PM »
Kabar ,you are all over this ! That is  long rumoured 'Shmoe' the which of course is the howitzer in the ongoing evolution of "The Lost Bronze " serries in the Smee line .

The long barrelled 'chasers in the bow' are known as "Curlys" ;D

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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2009, 08:42:26 AM »
Quote from: Boom J on December 11, 2009, 11:02:49 AM
Is this the same Bill Curtis who patiently answers all the questions posed to him on the MLAGB Forum?

7. To W. S. Curtis.The Crimean War Research Society,Committee of the Museum of the National Rifle Association (GB),The Whitworth Rifle Research Project. [/color]

There probably aren't all that many here that know, or are all that curious about this gentleman, and this British forum, but I think DD and GGaskill will know who I'm referring to. Well, at least I was curious, so I did a liitle checking, and it turns out that this is the same Bill Curtis that's on the Muzzle Loaders Assoc. of Great Britain Forum.
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2009, 10:54:53 AM »
He also at one time published a book of  British Artillery drawings and he shows up on the British Militaria board at www.martinihenry.com and does sound like he knows what he is talking about...when he speaks, I listen.
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Re: Another Russian site
« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2009, 03:17:03 AM »
Quote from: Double D on December 14, 2009, 10:54:53 AM
does sound like he knows what he is talking about...when he speaks, I listen.

Agreed; It was Adrian Roads who first suggested to me, that posting a question on that forum might turn up some good results, and he was right. I've posted a few questions there, and in these instances Mr. Curtis has responded with learned answers.
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