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WHY OH WHY!?
« on: December 13, 2009, 06:18:37 AM »
Do gun makers do things like this to me...  :'(

"Available now and in time for Christmas.  US Fire ArmsŪ Single Action revolver in 32-20 with an additional factory fitted 327 Magnum cylinder.  The flat shooting 327 Magnum will also accommodate the 32 H&R cartridge.  15 available for Christmas delivery with an additional 30 available for a late January delivery.  First come first served."
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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 09:55:08 AM »
Chase a couple more ambulances and you'll be okay. ;D

That's a nice looking setup. Are you gonna take the plunge?
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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2009, 10:44:23 AM »
We think you should.  If anyone complains tell them we said it was OK.
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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2009, 11:37:47 AM »
ATLaw;
Just tell yourself that a .32 Caliber in a SAA size revolver will be too heavy and ill balanced. Say it enough times and you may begin to believe it. Then-n-n, run right out a buy a Ruger in .32 H&R mag (with a Ruger Single Six in .32 H&R you won't need a .327 Federal, anyway). ;D ;D

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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2009, 02:52:30 AM »
Whip out the PLASTIC!!!  8)

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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2009, 05:10:52 AM »
You guys are a big help!   ::)

The only reason it caught my eye is:
  I believe USFA makes the best SAA copy out there;
  I once passed up an oportunity to buy a Colt SAA Bisley in 32-20 and have been kicking myself ever since;
  I still want a 32-20 something;
  There was a discussion on one of the forums here in GBO about the 32-20 versus the 32 H&R... or was it the 327 Fed?   :-\   I dunno, but it got right spirited and I figured this would be the solution to that debate!   ;D

I do NOT need another SAA!  I've got 2 and now also have 2 BP revolvers!   :P  And I haven't even had time to shoot the 1860 Army or 1861 Navy yet!   :(

And at my age those ambulances would have to be going mighty slow...  :-[
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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2009, 05:15:13 AM »
ATLaw;
Just tell yourself that a .32 Caliber in a SAA size revolver will be too heavy and ill balanced. Say it enough times and you may begin to believe it. Then-n-n, run right out a buy a Ruger in .32 H&R mag (with a Ruger Single Six in .32 H&R you won't need a .327 Federal, anyway). ;D ;D

YMMV
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Yeah, but it doesn't have the 32-30 cylinder though.  There are still a bunch of old Buckeye Blackhawks (new) that show up on Gunbroker.  They're horribly overpriced but oh would it be nice to have one in 32-20.

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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2009, 08:46:59 AM »
ATLaw;
Just tell yourself that a .32 Caliber in a SAA size revolver will be too heavy and ill balanced. Say it enough times and you may begin to believe it. Then-n-n, run right out a buy a Ruger in .32 H&R mag (with a Ruger Single Six in .32 H&R you won't need a .327 Federal, anyway). ;D ;D

YMMV
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Yeah, but it doesn't have the 32-30 cylinder though.  There are still a bunch of old Buckeye Blackhawks (new) that show up on Gunbroker.  They're horribly overpriced but oh would it be nice to have one in 32-20.
Yes, it is.  I've been thinking about having the 32H&R cylinder rechamber to .327, but with the 32-20 I don't know what I need it for.  But then what what did need ever have to do with anything.  Walt

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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2009, 08:54:47 AM »
ATLaw;
Just tell yourself that a .32 Caliber in a SAA size revolver will be too heavy and ill balanced. Say it enough times and you may begin to believe it. Then-n-n, run right out a buy a Ruger in .32 H&R mag (with a Ruger Single Six in .32 H&R you won't need a .327 Federal, anyway). ;D ;D

YMMV
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Yeah, but it doesn't have the 32-30 cylinder though.  There are still a bunch of old Buckeye Blackhawks (new) that show up on Gunbroker.  They're horribly overpriced but oh would it be nice to have one in 32-20.
Yes, it is.  I've been thinking about having the 32H&R cylinder rechamber to .327, but with the 32-20 I don't know what I need it for.  But then what what did need ever have to do with anything.  Walt
Walt,
I think the single six 32 cannot be altered to fit a 32-20.  I think the cylinder is not long enough.  I haven't checked on this recently but I seem to recall looking into this once before.  I once was really hot on the trail for a 32-20 that I could load a little hotter, specifically a Blackhawk or a T/C.  I even looked into having a 30 carbine Blackhawk modified to a 32-20 but that doesn't work, not to mention that the Ruger steel is so hard that one would ruin a reamer on each hole of the cylinder.  The cost was WAY too high to consider. 
Anyway, back to the subject at hand...I don't think it's possible to fit the 32-20 in a single six cylinder or frame.  Then there is pressure:  I don't know if the single six would withstand 32-20 pressures either.  ???  Maybe, maybe not. 

I hear you on "need".  If we only bought what we "need", none of us would be hear chatting about our hobbies.   ;)

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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2009, 09:30:01 AM »
the ruger sa cyl. might be to short to convert to 327
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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2009, 10:44:39 AM »
  This is another reason to always keep that separate "gun fund". Put a set amount aside each paycheck and it builds.  It's been a blessing for me in adding unplanned purchases.
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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2009, 12:09:54 PM »
the ruger sa cyl. might be to short to convert to 327

The cylinder is but the frame can be fitted with a new cyl. and opened up to .327 mag, I have one just a waiting on the dollars.
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Re: WHY OH WHY!?
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 01:03:07 PM »
ATLaw;
Just tell yourself that a .32 Caliber in a SAA size revolver will be too heavy and ill balanced. Say it enough times and you may begin to believe it. Then-n-n, run right out a buy a Ruger in .32 H&R mag (with a Ruger Single Six in .32 H&R you won't need a .327 Federal, anyway). ;D ;D

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Yeah, but it doesn't have the 32-30 cylinder though.  There are still a bunch of old Buckeye Blackhawks (new) that show up on Gunbroker.  They're horribly overpriced but oh would it be nice to have one in 32-20.
Yes, it is.  I've been thinking about having the 32H&R cylinder rechamber to .327, but with the 32-20 I don't know what I need it for.  But then what what did need ever have to do with anything.  Walt
Walt,
I think the single six 32 cannot be altered to fit a 32-20.  I think the cylinder is not long enough.  I haven't checked on this recently but I seem to recall looking into this once before.  I once was really hot on the trail for a 32-20 that I could load a little hotter, specifically a Blackhawk or a T/C.  I even looked into having a 30 carbine Blackhawk modified to a 32-20 but that doesn't work, not to mention that the Ruger steel is so hard that one would ruin a reamer on each hole of the cylinder.  The cost was WAY too high to consider.  
Anyway, back to the subject at hand...I don't think it's possible to fit the 32-20 in a single six cylinder or frame.  Then there is pressure:  I don't know if the single six would withstand 32-20 pressures either.  ???  Maybe, maybe not.  

I hear you on "need".  If we only bought what we "need", none of us would be hear chatting about our hobbies.   ;)

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Just use 32-20 cases in a 30 carbine Blackhawk and it's right up there with the 327.

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2009, 09:14:41 PM »
Flash,
How in the world did you get the rim of that 32-20 cartidge to fit in the cylinder of a 30 carbine Blackhawk?  Is that a new model Blackhawk or an old model?  That rim would never fit in my old model Blackhawk.

For that matter, haven't you just made your 32-20 brass fire-formed into a 30 carbine?  What advantage is that over a 30 carbine?  I would think that by doing that you've lost case volume at the bottle neck widening of the cartridge. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 01:12:34 AM »
Actually, I didn't lose case volume at all, I just straightened the walls out. The one you're looking at was fireformed and it fits in a new model but won't in the old. I prefer the rimmed cartridges over the rimless 30 carbine and they work beautifully with cast bullets or jacketed.
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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2009, 01:31:57 AM »
     I wasn't very clear in my post(I went back and read it this morning and I was cornfussed....so).  Actually the one I was refering to was my "Buckeye Special" 32-20/32H&R Blackhawk.  I was smart enough(read lucky but smart sounds better) to pick-up one of each version many years ago before the price got rediculous.  I may ream the 32H&R cylinder in it to 327.  It shoots great as 32-20, but the 32H&R has never shot as good as my Single Sixes in 32.  Don't know that making it a 327 would help any, but then, I don't have one of them. ;D  Walt

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« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2009, 01:57:45 AM »
that usfa would be a slick piece. Id love to have one but they could keep the 327 cylinder. the 3220 would do everything the 327 would do anyway.
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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2009, 02:11:46 AM »
    Thank you Lloyd,  That's what I keep trying to tell myself about my Buckeye.
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« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2009, 02:35:52 AM »
Can't say what a 327 FM  will do with factory loads in a SA but in the SP-101 its way ahead of the 32 h&r mag.
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« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2009, 06:25:08 AM »
You guys are a big help!   ::)
  I still want a 32-20 something;
 I do NOT need another SAA! 
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« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2009, 09:14:48 AM »
I didn't see were anyone mentioned the USFA is only $975.00.  I got the same e-mail add. 8)  With Christmas around the corner, don't you desrve a present? ;D
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« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2009, 02:09:51 PM »
The Ruger Single Six makes a wonderful 327 Federal Magnum. Here is my Custom Linebored 327 by Alan Harton. This conversion requires a new cylinder. The Single Six CAN also be modified to accept the 32-20. This not only requires a new cylinder, it requires lengthening of the cylinder frame window to accomodate a longer cylinder. My 327 pictured exits a 118 LBT gc at 1550 fps with excellent accuracy.
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« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2009, 02:35:23 PM »
The only reason it caught my eye is:
  I believe USFA makes the best SAA copy out there;
  I once passed up an oportunity to buy a Colt SAA Bisley in 32-20 and have been kicking myself ever since;
  I still want a 32-20 something;
  There was a discussion on one of the forums here in GBO about the 32-20 versus the 32 H&R... or was it the 327 Fed?      I dunno
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2009, 02:07:09 AM »
beautiful fermin. Is that buckeye burl or maple for grips. Sure looks great no matter which it is. Id love to have that in a 3220. I guess im just a bit to old school.
The Ruger Single Six makes a wonderful 327 Federal Magnum. Here is my Custom Linebored 327 by Alan Harton. This conversion requires a new cylinder. The Single Six CAN also be modified to accept the 32-20. This not only requires a new cylinder, it requires lengthening of the cylinder frame window to accomodate a longer cylinder. My 327 pictured exits a 118 LBT gc at 1550 fps with excellent accuracy.
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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2009, 02:23:47 AM »
It is a nice piece, but I would go 38 Super conversion, (se the one on hunting with .38 Super thred). 8)
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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2009, 11:37:26 AM »
Lloyd that wood is Amboyna Burl. Murbach calls it Triple AAA grade fancy particle board..... ;D

The 32-20 can do pretty much everything a 327 Federal can do EXCEPT run slick as you please thru a Dillon progressive machine.

Rawhide, my original idea WAS to do a 38 Super on a Single Six until I discovered the 327 Fed. Still might do one, might be a dandy. I doubt it will out run the 327 Federal ballistically tho....

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« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2009, 03:48:06 AM »
In a revolver you do not need to worry about a fully supported chamber.  This would allow loading the 38 Super safely to 357 specs or 9 X23. 8)
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« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2009, 05:38:42 AM »
I agree, however, I suggest you consider a 5 shot oversize cylinder rather than a sixshot cylinder. If you take it that hot you dont want to bend anything especially on a expensive custom!

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« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2009, 11:02:24 AM »
The Reeder #8 Super does come with a 5 shot cylinder, like I posted before it is covered under the thred "hunting with a 38 Super".
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« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2009, 03:23:45 PM »
Atlaw, there doesn't have to be a 'why'.  They do it to tempt you and give you ulcers and frustration.  Of course if we could afford anything we wanted, what fun would that be?  How could they sell Tums that way?  What's your wife's cell number, I'll call her and tell her it's a matter of life or death.  If you don't get it you would be so bad to live with that she would want to move out.  (On second thought, you might not want me to call her)  Just make sure it will fit in one of those nice holsters you have.  :)  44 Man
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