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Drug Wars in Mexico
« on: December 13, 2009, 12:40:29 PM »
Any one else keeping tabs on whats happening on our Southern Border with Mexico. i will tell you it is beyond bad, thousands have been killed in the last year or so. it is spilling over intio the US.

tonight CNN is going to have a special on about it. you might find it very interesting if you watch. of course i am sure they will have plenty of blame for bush and will have other spots of liberal spin. yet it is happening and is a very real danger to US citzens both tourist and those on the iborder who never would cross into mexico.

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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 12:55:29 PM »
Yes, and Iam sure they will show M-60 mg's that were bought at local gun shows.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2009, 01:15:27 PM »
No doubt they will spin it up like they always do. Fox started covering this a year ago or so. Nice to see the rest of them finally catching up. I had a friend and his wife go down to Cancun this past February and couldn't understand why they would be so dumb as to do that. They didn't get caught up in any violence but got a real bad shake down by the people there. They had "engine" trouble on their plane and had to go back to the hangar twice before they decided to take them off and take them out to a motel in the middle of nowhere for the night. There was no communications or potable water for them so they were very isolated. They got in a money exchange shakedown that went along the lines of if you had to exchange $$ for pesos you stood in this line. If you went pesos to $$ you stood here. Except when you got up to the teller to exchange they told you oh no senor we can't exchange that. Didn't matter what you had. There were hookers standing in the exchage place flashing whatever it was you needed to exchange. They seperated my friend from his wife and they almost didn't make it out of there. They left their luggage behind and their return tickets. They got to the airport and went to a SW airlines agent and said we need tickets outta here now!!! They didn't care where to as long as it was to the states. They ended up going to Houston, Salt Lake and Seattle. They drove home in a rental car from there and drank champagne all the way home just thankful they got home in one piece. A guy I work with just got back from Texas where they crossed to the other side to get Takillya. He said as soon as they went past the border security they saw a tank with its gun pointed at the checkpoint. There were armed troops everywhere. You gotta be out of your cotton pickin mind to want to go over to that place. Doesn't anyone read the news???!!! I'm afraid that we are in for alot of trouble where they are concerned and it's not going to get any better.

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Re: Drug Wars in Mexico
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2009, 04:30:51 PM »
Where did they find the Mexicans to man the banks, tanks and stuff down there?

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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2009, 04:45:35 PM »
Maybe some illegals from cuba snuck in. After all the Mexican people won't do that work. So they have to have people from outside the country come in and do it.

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2009, 05:54:48 PM »
 It is a National problem all them drug dealers running over here and buying fully automatic weapons at our gun shows and dragging them back there to shoot each other with. How do I miss all those deals at the shows?
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2009, 07:27:06 PM »
you can't afford them since you pay taxes and don't split your bills 8 ways torpedoman... you gotta keep that 1/4 or more you lose every paycheck and save it up!  :D

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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2009, 07:55:28 PM »
The problems along the border has been brewing for a long time.  Five years ago I was visiting a friend in Del Rio.  She was telling me about all the shootings, and home invasions by drug runners looking for a hiding place.  She moved out of Del Rio.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2009, 08:30:36 PM »
its not a large percentage of weapons from the us. remember about full auto buys here in the states pretty rigorous checks you just do not walk up and buy a class III. most are from down south of mexico and are ak. the american weapons were most like;y ones we sent to mexico to their army.

i have been watching this stuff going on down there for about 6-8 months. to say it is very dangerous for anyone in mexico is an understatement. lots of it boiling over into the US and not just in border towns. hit teams have been sent in by the cartels and have killed quite a few in the last year or so  and they just do not kill only those in the drug trade.

i believe it is just a matter of time, if it has not already happened, that the cartels will bring in some of the islamic terrorist and see they get weapons and exsplosives to carry out jihad in the states. in return they will get a stream of drugs to sell. now that our illustrious leader has decided to have a show trial in new york i bet they are planning right now for some sort of attack.

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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2009, 08:44:32 PM »
gangs, government, police, military, drug trafficers and thugs all in a conglomeration of violence and greed.  the gated communities are gonna start having walls too.  don't know about the rest of us- I hope they don't do a gun grab during all of that (or declare marshall law which is about the same) or we're gonna get fed to those sharks.


all of the nationalism played on our fears of the foreign, now there are plenty of anti-terrorism laws abound... and those terrorists on the list could be any of us in a few years for being critical and owning guns (and other factors but that's the main two).  anyone who fights the establishment by anything beyond whistle blowing is a terrorist when marshall law is established (it will be if the drug violence steps up).

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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2009, 08:59:14 PM »
I'm of mexican decent and i could care less, the smartest hard working mexican's left mexico 50 years ago or more. The ones that populate the border now are some of the worst. Let them kill each other! Just think of it like this, do you ever dream of the lawlwess days of the old west, well you can live it now, just go be a gun for hire down there!

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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2009, 09:11:10 PM »
I remember going to Juarez as a child.  For lots of reasons that was scary and it was the 90's- none of my hispanic family will even go (they can blend in and they're still scared) -forget that!  I've got some immigrants in my family... they came to texas and became texan.  everyone thinks of texas as white country guys.... strange then, that most I've seen there aren't white.  still conservative and oftentimes wearing cowboy boots.  it's not the race issue, but one of assimilation.  people that don't assimilate to our culture and then play a minority card are the threat.  so are the ones turning a blind eye.  whether it's bush for "compassionate conservativism" ranks bolstering or clintons pc crusade, we're in trouble if we let population growth keep going through the roof with foreign assistance, let alone without making them assimilate.



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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2009, 09:35:36 PM »
Heck fire boys--don't spend your money driving to the border.
We got a free fire zone waiting for you here in Houston. Pick your race and I can direct you too the proper hunting grounds.
My next door neighbor just got home last evening from a combo-bust of harris County, DEA an FBI on a home where two Mexican gangs were planning a hit on a third gang. It is about 5miles from here.
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Re: Drug Wars in Mexico
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2009, 09:37:33 PM »
will you better finish up that norinco!

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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2009, 09:45:01 PM »
That Norinco is coming on-line to a theatre near you soon.
He wants to find a smaller agency.
He works the streets and it is telling on him ---I wouldn't wish that strain on anyone.
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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2009, 10:14:50 PM »
from what i have been reading on the gangs in houston la and other cities close to the border..i would have to say that if anyone down there is not armed they are asking for it.

the mexican mafia alone can field thousands upon thousands of armed thugs within a day or so. can you imagine if anarchy was to break out because of the economy? it would be a war zone in houston and other large cities.

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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2009, 10:20:22 PM »
heres how weapons get all around the world....

North Korean Weapons Seizure Could Affect Nuke Talks
Sunday, December 13, 2009 


Print ShareThisBANGKOK —  The seizure in Thailand of some 35 tons of war weaponry from North Korea and the arrest of five foreigners charged with illegal possession of arms may prove a blow to efforts by the United States to negotiate a halt to Pyongyang's nuclear ambitions, observers said.

Thai authorities, reportedly acting on a tip from their American counterparts, impounded an Ilyushin 76 transport plane, carrying explosives, rocket-propelled grenades and components for surface-to-air missiles, during a refueling stop at Bangkok's Don Muang airport Saturday. Four men from Kazakhstan and one from Belarus were detained.

Thai authorities took the action because of a United Nations resolution banning the transport of certain weapons from or to North Korea, Thailand's Foreign Ministry said.

The latest sanctions were imposed in June after the reclusive communist regime conducted a nuclear test and test-fired missiles. The sanctions were aimed at derailing North Korea's nuclear weapons program, but also banned the North's sale of any conventional arms.

The seizure came just days after President Barack Obama's special envoy made a rare three-day trip to North Korea on a mission to persuade Pyongyang to rejoin six-nation nuclear disarmament talks. Envoy Stephen Bosworth said the two sides had reached common understandings on the need to restart the talks.

"There is a possibility that the incident could have a negative effect on moves to get the North to rejoin the six-party talks and a U.S.-North Korea dialogue mood," Yang Moo-jin, a professor at Seoul's University of North Korean Studies, said Sunday.

The chartered cargo plane originated in North Korea's capital, Pyongyang, and requested to land at Don Muang airport to refuel, Thai Air Force spokesman Capt. Montol Suchookorn said.

There were differing local media reports about the plane's destination, with some saying it was headed to Sri Lanka and others saying Pakistan.

"I cannot disclose the destination of their plane because this involves national security. The government will provide more details on this," Supisarn said.

North Korea has been widely accused of violating United Nations sanctions by selling weapons to nations in Africa, Asia and Latin America.

Thailand made the seizure because of the U.N. sanctions, Thai Foreign Ministry spokesman Thani Thongphakdi said.

"Once further details have been finalized, and all the proper checks have been made we will report all details to the United Nations sanctions committee," he said.

The five detained men denied the arms possession charges and were refused bail, Police Col. Supisarn Pakdinarunart said. They were to appear in court Monday.

Local press reports said Thai authorities were tipped off by their American counterparts about the cargo aboard the aircraft. U.S. Embassy spokesman Michael Turner said the embassy would not comment on the incident.

Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban said it would take several days to obtain details on the incident, which would be reported to the United Nations, Belarus and Kazakhstan.

"People should not be alarmed because the government will ensure that the investigation will be carried out transparently. The government will be able to explain the situation to foreign countries," Suthep said.

Thai authorities said the weapons were moved by trucks amid high security Saturday night from the airport to a military base in the nearby province of Nakhon Sawan.

Baek Seung-joo of the state-run Korea Institute for Defense Analyses said the seizure demonstrated a U.S. intention to continue to enforce sanctions on the North while also engaging in dialogue.

Arms sales are a key source of hard currency for the impoverished North. Baek said the North is believed to have earned hundreds of millions of dollars every year by selling missiles, missile parts and other weapons to countries like Iran, Syria and Myanmar.

In August, the United Arab Emirates seized a Bahamas-flagged cargo ship bound for Iran with a cache of banned rocket-propelled grenades and other arms from North Korea, the first seizure since sanctions against North Korea were ramped up.


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Re: Drug Wars in Mexico
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2009, 10:46:04 AM »
This was reported on Fox and Glenn Beck over a year ago. It's nice to see that the mainstream media is finally catching up. And, yes, it will get alot worse, what with Bongo in charge, he'll probably set up amnisty and health care if they promise to turn in their guns and be nice guys. gypsyman
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2009, 12:56:40 PM »
If drug lords can move 20,000kgs of cocaine from Columbia to Miami Florida....I would reckon they can move full auto AK47 and RPG's from China to Mexico pretty easy. Otherwise they will just steal them from the Mexican army.

Eminent domain 1 square mile of border from Texas to California. Build a wall, man it with marines, mine it and watch the drug trade slow to a crawl on the Southern border. Do the same on the Northern border if drugs increase up north. We waste money on all sorts of stupid pork barrel projects. This one might work.
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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2009, 03:22:53 PM »
Foxxtrot. I have always thought that we need to dry up demand and the supply will go away alot quicker. No market here they'll go somewhere else for their market. Won't happen. Would love to see us pull all the troops home from all over the world to defend our borders here. Won't happen. Nice to dream.

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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2009, 03:58:34 PM »
I have long said that a double chain link fence spaced 50 ft apart with a high density mine field between  two fences along the entireUS/MEXICO border would solve ALOT of problems. I want to puke everytime I hear the US take blows in the media from not only the president of mexico but our OWN president as well!!!!!

Fact of the matter is dealing with the problems would be simple, nobody has the guts to!!!! If a illegal  individual coming from mexico causes death to one of our US citizens, put them to DEATH!!!

If mexico's goverment and army can't deal with the drug dealers, fly over that invisible border and BOMB them out of existance! for the love of God if we can fly drone planes to Iraq and blow stuff up there, then a few drug cartels should not be that difficult, I am sure that we can buy off some mexicans to point/aim us in the right direction.

But wait, that might offend mexico?........Oh thats right who freaking cares, we're protecting our OWN citizens; what are they going to do?", put an embrago against us? stop sending illegal immigrants our way?





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« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2009, 04:16:25 PM »
Any one else keeping tabs on whats happening on our Southern Border with Mexico. i will tell you it is beyond bad, thousands have been killed in the last year or so. it is spilling over intio the US.

tonight CNN is going to have a special on about it. you might find it very interesting if you watch. of course i am sure they will have plenty of blame for bush and will have other spots of liberal spin. yet it is happening and is a very real danger to US citzens both tourist and those on the iborder who never would cross into mexico.

I just got back from NM, was going to do a Cow Elk MZ hunt, but the blizzard changed our minds. My cousin's son set up the hunt, he is a border patrol agent just west of El Paso. We stopped there & spent the nite before going up to Refuge, NM. Yes, it's unbelievable & scary for those in the know. He lives in NM on the West fringe of EL Paso, VERY close to the border. We heard at night a gunfight, sounded like an AK 20 rds or so as one weapon, a common thing. Many foreigners from China &, Mid east you name it are crossing, paying the outlaws to cross + the Mex. drug wars. It is a war zone & it's coming to a town near you!
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« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2009, 04:25:08 PM »
Stinkin drugs. Why, in my day we equated Mexico with alcohol, surfing, and prostitution. Now those were wholesome activities suitable for a right living lad with a healthy touch o' the blarney! Sure we had to worry about the creeps that would kill you for your shoes, but that was just a bit of color because we were eager to fight back then too. Arrr!
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« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2009, 06:50:44 PM »
in my younger days it was sorta like a right of passage to go the nueva laredo...boys town... and i can say i enjoyed those trips. we were fearfull alright of getting on a back street or getting into a fray with the mexican police. i would not dare travel down there now you really are risking your life.

we had closer places like la grange tex (best little whorehouse fame) but a gut named marvin zigler out of houston (news caster) put it to a grinding halt. so we were left with louisiana (eunice ooooh what memories)....lol

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« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2009, 03:12:40 AM »
One things for sure regardless of what spin is put on this.
It's scary to think about what the end result will be with this mess.
If I lived much further south I would be building me a underground bunker.
I can't imagine living somewhere that I was concerned about just getting a nights sleep.
At some point those little thugs are going to start effecting enough of the locals that we might see an all out war.
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« Reply #25 on: December 15, 2009, 08:44:59 AM »
those down on the border have been affected. theft of a lot of property, litter and trash left by the ton. most are afraid and they are armed. many reports are swept under the rug for fear of upsetting the general public elsewhere. murders and general level of violence has risen dramaticly.

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« Reply #26 on: December 15, 2009, 08:53:05 AM »
Didn't read all but a friend in the know said unpaid or low paid Mexican speical forces soilders are working for drug dealers in many cities in the USA and killing is a trademark.
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« Reply #27 on: December 15, 2009, 04:15:28 PM »
there are several documented cases of narco hit squads taking out people in the states all were involved in the trade.

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« Reply #28 on: December 15, 2009, 07:48:10 PM »
the cartels are where the infantry guys go if they don't want to go back to a 9-5, they don't have blackwater/xe over there

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« Reply #29 on: December 15, 2009, 08:14:36 PM »
Back in 1980 thru 1983 when I was working Cattle on the White Sands in Southern New Mexico, we had trouble then with drug smugglers.  There was a Border Patrol check point on the highway from Las Crusis to Alamogordo, but not one at that time between El Paso and Alamogordo.  These highways came together in Alamogordo.  Drug smugglers would cross the border near Las Crusis then head north.  South of the Check Point they would take old military trucks and cross the dessert to the highway coming from El Paso.  This would put them above any check points.  I would see these trucks crossing the dessert and call them in.  Sometimes the Border Patrol would catch them, sometimes not.  Now there is a check point on both highways.

I kept trying to convince the wing commander to strafe the convoy with Air Craft sometime.  He did not think that was a good idea.  An A-10 pilot would have had so much fun.
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