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Offline RugerRedhawk

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Lots of hang fires?
« on: December 14, 2009, 03:27:04 AM »
My sidekick has always seemed to hang fire a bit. Any suggestions? I shot 6 times sighting in a scope yesterday and had one misfire, one good clean fire, and 4 slight hang fires. Not very long, just a fraction of a second, but enough that I can easily tell it happened. The primer I used on the one shot that didn't go had been setting loose in my muzz tackle box and had a little corrosion on it. I blame the mis fire on the primer, but all the hang fires came from nice fresh primers. I thoroughly cleaned everything before I put it away last season, paying special attention to the hole in the breech plug. I'm using winchester 209s, 2 triple seven pellets, and a power belt. It was snowing out yesterday, and even though I was shooting off a porch some snow was undoubtedly getting on the gun and stuff. I tried to keep it as dry as possible. Could this have influenced the problem too?
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Re: Lots of hang fires?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2009, 06:17:49 AM »
This is posted on another thread here, read about the primers you are using, could be your problem.  Larry

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Not sure what forum you are talking about, but I was on one of them with a complaint.  I had a problem with no ignition and itreally frustrated me while out in the woods.  I  ended up getting in touch with the company and got a quick response from a rep.  He told  me to change primers from a Winchester to either the CCI 209M or the Federal 209A.  He said that the Win primer was too weak to ignite the BH209 powder.  Since our talk I have tried the CCI 209M primers and am getting an ignition every time.  I will be shooting my gun and this load to build up my confidence again.  I am using 100 grs. of BH209 and the Hornaday FPB bullet.  At the range I am getting fantastic results and would love to use it in the woods next season.  Good luck in your shooting time.
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Re: Lots of hang fires?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2009, 07:23:56 AM »
I think you will find the culprit is the pellets.  The original breech plugs were not designed for pellets according to H&R
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Re: Lots of hang fires?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2009, 03:30:31 AM »
Yep, bubba is right on. I have heard of others getting 777 pellets to fire, but personally I have never had any success with the factory breech plugs utilizing the plastic primer carriers. Just too much flame can escape and not maket it into the charge, causing the hang-fires. Pyrodex pellets on the other hand work fine, as they have a touch of real Black Powder bonded to the end to aid in ignition.

If you feel you must shoot 777 pellets, witch are actually the most expensive BP Substitute on the market next to White Hots, you will need a better breech plug design.

You didn't say what brand/type of primer you are using? The 209 primers designed for muzzleloaders only, are going to be WAY too weak. You might try Federal 209A's or CCI 209M (Magnum) primers, but you would probably need to use a brand new primer carrier each time as well. The primer carriers wash out from the blowback and can loose .005" to .010" in just a few shots. These can run from $15-$18 per 10 pieces, at $1.80 per shot, if a new carrier were used each shot.

I would just ditch the 777 pellets for loose powder, much less expensive, AND your rifle goes bang when it should.
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Re: Lots of hang fires?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 03:33:39 AM »
Yeah, I still have a ton of this 777 left. I rarely shoot this gun, only hunt with it one day a year. This is all good information to know. I'm not looking forward to taking this thing in the woods this weekend. I guess I can pick up some hot primers this week, but don't have time to sight in with a different type of powder. Would sprinkling a few grains of BP in first help out? Thanks for the feedback though, I guess I'll have som things to think about for next season. I have some loose powder that I can experiment with and see if it helps, but can't do it this week.
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Re: Lots of hang fires?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 04:05:53 AM »
I was going to say, dumping in, say 5 or 10 grains of real FFFG before you seat your pellet might provide better ignition, and should't make any change to your balistics.  I like Pyrodex in my flint locks, but I use  FFFFG black in the pan for good ignition.

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Re: Lots of hang fires?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 07:08:32 AM »
I think for this weekend that's what I'm going to have to try along with some federal primers, and I'll be sure to use a fresh orange thing. The hangs weren't very long, and I was able to get my scope fairly zeroed, but when a deer is on the line I don't want to take any chances.
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Re: Lots of hang fires?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2009, 04:03:13 AM »
What breech plug are you using?
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