Author Topic: 348 Winchester (Read 2973 times)

RangerJ · « **on:** December 15, 2009, 12:57:57 PM »

I have been thinking about sending one of my frames in for an extra barrel.Reason being is I wanna send it of to Wayne York and have him rebore and chamber it for the good ole 348 Winchester. What would be the best barrel for this project? I reckone you could almost use any barrel as long the chamber will clean up good. What do you guys think about having a handi in 348.

Graybeard · « **Reply #1 on:** December 15, 2009, 01:15:26 PM »

I think you should put that one out of your mind until and unless H&R decides to beef up the frames for magnums. That is one seriously fat cartridge and operates at serious pressures. I'd not expect it to work on the current handi rifles safely.

RangerJ · « **Reply #2 on:** December 15, 2009, 01:23:32 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on December 15, 2009, 01:15:26 PM

I think you should put that one out of your mind until and unless H&R decides to beef up the frames for magnums. That is one seriously fat cartridge and operates at serious pressures. I'd not expect it to work on the current handi rifles safely.

According to Hodgdons reloading data the 348 operates at pressures between 27,000 - 36,000 cup , where as the 30-06 is pushing pressures of 50,000 cup if not a little more.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** December 15, 2009, 01:36:41 PM »

The SAAMI MAP for it is just 40kcup, but as Bill pointed out, case head size has to be figured into the equation, not just pressure. You can use the formula on Lilja's site to calculate breech(bolt) thrust, for comparison, the 500S&W has about 9800lbs breech thrust at 50kpsi which is about the safe maximum for the SB2 frame.

Tim

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/saami_pressures.htm

http://www.riflebarrels.com/articles/custom_actions/bolt_lug_strength.htm

MSP Ret · « **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2009, 01:40:48 PM »

Boy oh boy, did you grab my attention with that thread title, ".348 Winchester". I have had 2 original Winchester Model 71's in .348 Winchester. One went years ago when the children were young to insure a merry Christmas from Santa. A young Trooper on Patrol did not make a lot in those years, but we sure had an interesting, fun, and adventure filled life. I still have the other, a Deluxe model 71 in excellent condition that I bought on our honeymoon. It is still referred to by my wife as "the honeymoon gun".
The .348 Winchester has long been on my want list for a Handi. I have my Handi's in .35 Remington, .45 ACP, my .22 WMR Versa Pak, and thanks to a great member here, my 30-40 Krag Handi. I still would like to get a .348 Handi though. The good thing is I am all set up to load for it. Someday perhaps I may get one. I say check with Wayne and go for it if it's safe, the .348 Winchester is a GREAT woods and all around hunting cartridge...and please keep us posted so I can drool all over the keyboard...Merry CHRISTmas....<><....

RangerJ · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2009, 02:16:20 PM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on December 15, 2009, 01:40:48 PM

Boy oh boy, did you grab my attention with that thread title, ".348 Winchester". I have had 2 original Winchester Model 71's in .348 Winchester. One went years ago when the children were young to insure a merry Christmas from Santa. A young Trooper on Patrol did not make a lot in those years, but we sure had an interesting, fun, and adventure filled life. I still have the other, a Deluxe model 71 in excellent condition that I bought on our honeymoon. It is still referred to by my wife as "the honeymoon gun".
The .348 Winchester has long been on my want list for a Handi. I have my Handi's in .35 Remington, .45 ACP, my .22 WMR Versa Pak, and thanks to a great member here, my 30-40 Krag Handi. I still would like to get a .348 Handi though. The good thing is I am all set up to load for it. Someday perhaps I may get one. I say check with Wayne and go for it if it's safe, the .348 Winchester is a GREAT woods and all around hunting cartridge...and please keep us posted so I can drool all over the keyboard...Merry CHRISTmas....<><....

MSP ............ I'm like you..I am quite fond of the 348 Winchester. My Grandfather had a Winchester 71 Deluxe when I was growning up and I fell in love with the gun. I took my fisrt deer with that rifle and hunted with it every chance I got. Well Over the years my grandfather purchased and traded many guns and among the guns that he let go was the Model 71. I have alot of fond memories of hunting with my grandpa and the ole Model 71.My Grandpa passed away a few months ago and I was going through some of his things last week and found the original sales receipt for the rifle along with 3 boxes of 348 Win ammo (boy the memories that brought back). The price on the receipt for the rifle was $225. I would just love to have a Winchester 71 but they are a little out of my price range right now so if I could have a handi in 348 Win I would tickled pink.

wtroger · « **Reply #6 on:** December 15, 2009, 02:55:56 PM »

I did the math it comes out to about 8500 ft lbs according to the Hodgdon reloading guide for the 348 win it shouldn't be an issue

MSP Ret · « **Reply #7 on:** December 16, 2009, 02:32:16 AM »

OK, think we can get H&R to make some up? How about a group deal with Wayne if we could get a bunch of guys that wanted them?....<><....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** December 16, 2009, 04:59:20 AM »

H&R would require a minimum order of 500 due to the odd .348" bore.....if they or Marlin would even tool up for it.

Tim

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #9 on:** December 16, 2009, 06:29:34 AM »

Andy great post never heard of a "Honeymoon gun" before...Have heard of the weddin shotgun though

Kurt

Fred M · « **Reply #10 on:** December 16, 2009, 07:12:00 AM »

.348 bore, premium brass and bullets if you can find them and what have you got? An old obsolete cartridge. Get an .358 bore and turn it into a 35 Whelen at least you got a standard cartridge that the Handi can handle.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #11 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:18:15 AM »

I have a .nice early RMEF .35 Whelen Handi, as well as a .357 Max Handi and a .35 Remington Handi, and I do really like those .35's Fred. But at the same time the old, and superb .348 Winchester has a special place in my heart. You and I could even voice those same opinions about the .35 Remington I suppose.
I am all set up for the .348 with dies and brass so I would go with the classic cartridge I really want. Anyone could get a new WSM or any of the new super dooper pooper scooper hot shot newbie cartridges made up, but not me. I much prefer the classics, like my 7x57, 30-30, 30-40, and 45-70 Handis....Merry CHRISTmas to you Fred, my merry northern nieghbor....<><....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #12 on:** December 16, 2009, 08:44:27 AM »

Wayne will do a rebore or stub a .348 Win for ya Andy, .348" is on his rebore list.

Tim

MSP Ret · « **Reply #13 on:** December 16, 2009, 10:14:41 AM »

Thanks Tim and Merry CHRISTmas to you. Some day when I get the cash up it is on the "to do" list. As we all know during the cold winter months (Global Warming my Butt!!) we all know about the increased and seeming exhorbitant fuel and utility bills. This is not a good time for extra "fun" projects. It took me a while to get my .35 Remington and .45 ACP projects completed but I finally did, so perhaps the .348 Winchester may someday become a reality as well....<><....

TxGun · « **Reply #14 on:** December 16, 2009, 10:21:39 AM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on December 16, 2009, 10:14:41 AM

Thanks Tim and Merry CHRISTmas to you. Some day when I get the cash up it is on the "to do" list. As we all know during the cold winter months (Global Warming my Butt!!) we all know about the increased and seeming exhorbitant fuel and utility bills. This is not a good time for extra "fun" projects. It took me a while to get my .35 Remington and .45 ACP projects completed but I finally did, so perhaps the .348 Winchester may someday become a reality as well....<><....

+1 for the old classics. Personally, if I can go down today and buy it at Academy or Walmart, it holds less attraction for me than if I have to search the gunshows and the on-line auction sites for something special, a little different, and classic. Don't get me wrong, I love some of the modern calibers and guns, but I also love the nostalgia associated with the gear my grandad and great-grandad would have known so well.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #15 on:** December 16, 2009, 10:50:55 AM »

And a very Merry CHRISTmas to you too Andy!!

Thanks,

Tim

RangerJ · « **Reply #16 on:** December 16, 2009, 11:10:14 AM »

Reply I received from Wayne. Looks like prject 348 Win is a go

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I have rebored the HR to 348 Win before. This is not a high pressure cartridge and therefore no issues.

If you wish to rebore, the cost is $275, rechamber $50, plus shipping. We would like the complete rifle so we can test fire.

If you decide you want to proceed, you can ship your rifle to me via UPS, Fed-Ex or US Post Office. Please put a note inside with your information and a reminder of the work you wish done.

When the work is nearing completion, we will send you an invoice. We do not accept credit cards, but do accept personal checks, bank checks or money orders. Once we receive payment, we ship to you via UPS with a signature required.

Thanks for the inquiry,

Wayne York

Oregunsmithing, LLC

Wayne York, Gunmaker

43906 Jerico Lane

Pendleton, OR 97801

Phone 541-278-4177

Fax 541-278-4797

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** December 16, 2009, 11:13:47 AM »

There ya go, right from the expert himself!!

Thanks!

Tim

Clodhopper · « **Reply #18 on:** December 16, 2009, 11:23:22 AM »

Quote from: PHATINJUN on December 16, 2009, 06:29:34 AM

Andy great post never heard of a "Honeymoon gun" before...Have heard of the weddin shotgun though Kurt

Yeah, but if it's a formal wedding you need to paint that shotgun WHITE!

.348 sounds like a great caliber for the Handi. How long does the barrel need to be to be really efficient?

MSP Ret · « **Reply #19 on:** December 16, 2009, 01:04:45 PM »

I do not know what the optimum barrel length would be for a .348 Winchester but I just measured my original Model 71 and it has a 24" barrel....<><....

gunther66 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 16, 2009, 02:43:15 PM »

I too have been mulling over the idea of a rimmed midbore handi.I love the 35 rem ,but would like a little more ooumph.Has anyone necked the 348 win case up to 357 cal? To my way of thinking,this would solve the bullet supply problem. Hopefully this would only involve rechambering a 357 barrel.

Fred M · « **Reply #21 on:** December 16, 2009, 06:11:55 PM »

MSP Ret.
Andy, thanks for the Christmas Greating, me too I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy New Year.

I am only semi down on obsoletes. But a 348 never turned my crank because I never had one. I recently bought Ruger #1 chambered in 9.3x74R a German cartridge the case that is over three inches long and it shoots a 285gr Bullet. The cartridge is a 1900 vintage, but not yet obsolete

.

Though it has a bit of a kick but my shoulder bones and muscles are mushy from shooting a 300Wby for 25 years and the nerves are deadened, it don't feel so bad.

My thoughts were a Handi in 9.3(.366)x WSM that would be a nice
Handi, maybe a bit much for the Handi frame? A 9.3x74R would work well in a Handi since it is rated only below 50kpsi.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #22 on:** December 17, 2009, 01:37:02 AM »

Fred, I will only admit this to you, but I have looked at the 9.3x74R cartridge and have liked what I saw. I would just have to get away from the mm phobia that seems to live somwehere deep within me

. Besides, I like American cartridges and calibers, except for the 7x57 of course, which I consider to be a great cartridge....<><....

Fred M · « **Reply #23 on:** December 17, 2009, 10:52:15 AM »

MSP Ret.
I too like american cartridges, but have no qualms with the metric
sizes. Still have a 7x57, had a 8x57 and a 7x64 and now a 9.3x74R. All these are good hunting rifle choices. Each of those have equevalant american sizes. They are just as good or better.

One of my most outstanding calibers is a 375 Win loaded to the hilts for my Ruger#3. Haywire build one in a Handi and later sold it here. Though it can't compete pressurewise with the #3.
There is no trouble to load the 375 Win to max pressurer or about
64.5kpsi. with super accuracy in a #3.

The same goes for the 9.3x74R which is rated about 49.5kpsi MAP
in the Ruger this # is only a guide for weak action like all the European break open single shot rifles or the Drillings and others.

Nothing to worry about the mm phobia, many people on this side of the Atlantic would not look at a metric caliber. I am used to metric, because that is what I learned first, it is just a measurement nothing more for me, more discriptive if I may say..

gstewart44 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 17, 2009, 12:08:59 PM »

I do like the idea of a 348 Handi.....now if we could get Hornady to make some .348 FTX bullets......

D Humbarger · « **Reply #25 on:** December 17, 2009, 02:29:37 PM »

Neck that 348 up to 375 & then you have something. Certainly a much broader selection of bullets. Of course then you have strickly a handloading propersition but whats wrong with that?

Dinny · « **Reply #26 on:** December 17, 2009, 02:33:26 PM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on December 16, 2009, 10:14:41 AM

Thanks Tim and Merry CHRISTmas to you. Some day when I get the cash up it is on the "to do" list. As we all know during the cold winter months (Global Warming my Butt!!) we all know about the increased and seeming exhorbitant fuel and utility bills. This is not a good time for extra "fun" projects. It took me a while to get my .35 Remington and .45 ACP projects completed but I finally did, so perhaps the .348 Winchester may someday become a reality as well....<><....

Andy,
Maybe we could help you create your dream rifle......that is if the .45ACP is placed in the classifieds.

Happy Holidays!!

-Dinny

pmeisel · « **Reply #27 on:** December 20, 2009, 04:05:30 AM »

A neat sounding project, I am jealous. Let us know how it turns out!

mogwai · « **Reply #28 on:** December 20, 2009, 09:32:34 AM »

Quote from: D Humbarger on December 17, 2009, 02:29:37 PM

Neck that 348 up to 375 & then you have something. Certainly a much broader selection of bullets. Of course then you have strickly a handloading propersition but whats wrong with that?

You should investigate the 35 Greevy Express, a 45-70 necked down to 35 cal.

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #29 on:** December 20, 2009, 11:06:41 AM »

Ooooo, I see a way to "Max" one of my Maxies.

DP