Author Topic: new propriatory H&R handi round (Read 4987 times)

45-70.gov · « **on:** December 17, 2009, 02:34:07 PM »

thought that woud get you to look

seems like a lot fo threads intending to sway HnR

so i was day dreaming and thought i would start one

design the perfect handi propriatory round

.357 H&R handi max

it would be a 357 mag/max only longer
will shoot 38spl 357 mag 357 max and of corse 357 H&R MAX
H&R MAX will exceed the 35 rem but probly won't out do the 35 whelen

it will be available in
thumb hole stock and stailess scpoce ready
the long buffalo clasic
and the standard 22 with sights
and a scope ready standard too

just day dreaming
sorry if you got your hopes up
got any other suggestions
you are limited by your imagination

and the pressur limits of the handi action

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 17, 2009, 02:56:21 PM »

How about a 45 Longer Colt? Shoot long colt and longer, say a 1/4" longer cartridge?

RangerJ · « **Reply #2 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:12:37 PM »

How about a proprietery magnum rifle cartridge. They could design a frame for the round that would handle the pressure of magnum loadings. I think if they would do that then there wouldbe enough interest in the cartridge that they could start producing Magnum Handi Frames. Then we could have our handi rifles in magnums as well. The new frame should be designed to accept barrels chambered in magnum calibers only. That way so there will no chance of a standard SB1 or SB2 frame having a magnum chambering on it for safety reasons.

Just wishfull thinking I know. But it could be possible if H&R would put there minds to it.

blacksan · « **Reply #3 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:15:41 PM »

As much as I like having a plethora of calibers (I got that covered +++) in reality most offerings are simply covering old ground. In reality the 22LR, 30-06 and 12 gauge could do everything you ever reasonably needed to do on the North American continent. OK, I freely admit verity is the spice of life and will go back to reloading the other 14 + calibers that I labor over.............

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:17:35 PM »

Don't think they'd do the stronger action, too expensive, but an extended version of a pistol cartridge would not be expensive to produce....other than a brass manufacturer....

STUMPJMPR · « **Reply #5 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:21:18 PM »

I hate to sound rude but why re-invent the wheel? There is a cartridge available for everything. A gun that can shoot that many different loads would have to be re-sighted every time you decided to shoot something. Why not just have another gun set up in a different caliber?

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 17, 2009, 03:31:38 PM »

Ah the beauty of a round designed for iron sights. I can swap loads in my 45-70 and know the shift I have to make in the sights whne I do it, cause I don't use a scope. So make a cartridge that is designed for that only with modern tolerances for pressures.

mrgd · « **Reply #7 on:** December 17, 2009, 05:28:12 PM »

Along the same lines as some of the other suggestions, I would like to see a substantially extended 22lr. Extend it enough to get close to 22wmr speeds. That would allow shorts, long, lr's, and the 22handimag. I think that would pretty much surpass the 22 mag in usefullness and versetility.

Dinny · « **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2009, 06:01:55 PM »

While we're all dreaming here......How about a .460 S&W Dinny Special??

I would cut it short to 1.625", that way it is street-legal for Indiana deer hunters.

-Dinny

trotterlg · « **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2009, 06:39:47 PM »

I am thinking a 45-70 necked down to 38. Then you could just rechamber the 357 barrel or the factory could do it on a new one. Larry

briannmilewis · « **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2009, 07:32:25 PM »

Quote from: Dinny on December 17, 2009, 06:01:55 PM

While we're all dreaming here......How about a .460 S&W Dinny Special?? I would cut it short to 1.625", that way it is street-legal for Indiana deer hunters.
-Dinny

Have already mapped out the 460 S&W family:

460 Special - 1.350, 460 Magnum - 1.475, 460 Magnum+ - 1.591, 460 S&W Magnum - 1.800.

Uses the same progression as the 357 and 44 families.

You can apply the same "family" approach to the 500 S&W Mag, so you have a wide range of loads available.

Obviously too much time on my hands.

Ultra25-06 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 17, 2009, 10:43:35 PM »

Quote from: trotterlg on December 17, 2009, 06:39:47 PM

I am thinking a 45-70 necked down to 38. Then you could just rechamber the 357 barrel or the factory could do it on a new one. Larry

I was thinking close to the same, except on the 444 marlin case, with 225gr accubond. The 45-70 would hold more im guessing, slightly more than the 350 rem mag. Call it the "358 H&R". Now question is would it work?

OldBob · « **Reply #12 on:** December 17, 2009, 11:50:00 PM »

Quote from: Ultra25-06 on December 17, 2009, 10:43:35 PM

Quote from: trotterlg on December 17, 2009, 06:39:47 PM
I am thinking a 45-70 necked down to 38. Then you could just rechamber the 357 barrel or the factory could do it on a new one. Larry

I was thinking close to the same, except on the 444 marlin case, with 225gr accubond. The 45-70 would hold more im guessing, slightly more than the 350 rem mag. Call it the "358 H&R". Now question is would it work?

Along these same lines I have a craving for a 33 WCF but the 45-70 necked down to 38 would be awful nice too and bullet availability is much better., and this is do-able right now by rechambering a 357.... all it takes is $$$$

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2009, 01:29:46 AM »

45-70 - I also thought of a 357 "Long". Maybe a 2.00" or 2.25" case. I think it would be a great round in the Handi. Now if we could get Starline to make the brass and get a reamer made....

Why neck down a 45-70? There have been many 444 Marlins mods necked down to many different calibers. I think the JDJ series are based on the 444 Marlin along with many others. Is the case on the 444 is thicker than a 45-70 and the case is slightly smaller in diameter so it will handle heavier pressures better than a 45-70 necked down? There must be a good reason that all those mods are based on a 444 and not a 45-70. While we are wishing how about a 375 Winchester? Or a 375 Winchester necked down to 357? I really like the idea of a 357 Long.

Graycg · « **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2009, 01:50:04 AM »

in a rifle you can easily beat 35 remington factory loads with a good 357 max handload. Of course if you hand load the 35 also, you can get more than factory. I have a 358 JDJ based on the 444 case, it is an excellent round. If you need to go above the 357 max, I'd go for the JDJ, I don't think stretching out the max longer offers you enough gain in case size to get into slower powders the will really bring the velocity gains you might want. I'm not a ballistician, but I have done a lot of experiements with the 357 max in a strong rifle and know it does more than many know it can, especially when mated with 180 grain pointed SSP bullets, or LBT gas check cast designs.

regards,
Graycg

Mac11700 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 18, 2009, 03:21:58 AM »

How about 41 mag and a longer version 41cal on a necked up 375 Winchester case? Also..one Winchester worked on but never brought out...the 400 Winchester..using the .400diameter 40S&W bullet on the same 375 Winchester case..One last one...I would love to see a 32 H&R magnum...I think that would be pretty cool...

Mac

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #16 on:** December 18, 2009, 03:43:04 AM »

Mac we are kinda on the same page .I already got my Handi .32 H&R mag but have a pipe dream for quite some time on the .41. But since I got my .45BC Carbine that has gone away some and now I am trying to decide on a companion .45 Colt Revolver. Kurt

Mac11700 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 18, 2009, 03:47:09 AM »

Quote from: PHATINJUN on December 18, 2009, 03:43:04 AM

Mac we are kinda on the same page .I already got my Handi .32 H&R mag but have a pipe dream for quite some time on the .41. But since I got my .45BC Carbine that has gone away some and now I am trying to decide on a companion .45 Colt Revolver. Kurt

I hope you get one..A nice SA Colt would be SWEEEEEEEET...

I would really like to see the 400 Winchester come out...I think hat would be awesome too..

Mac

quickdtoo · « **Reply #18 on:** December 18, 2009, 05:44:38 AM »

Quote from: LaOtto222 on December 18, 2009, 01:29:46 AM

45-70 - I also thought of a 357 "Long". Maybe a 2.00" or 2.25" case. I think it would be a great round in the Handi. Now if we could get Starline to make the brass and get a reamer made....

Why neck down a 45-70? There have been many 444 Marlins mods necked down to many different calibers. I think the JDJ series are based on the 444 Marlin along with many others. Is the case on the 444 is thicker than a 45-70 and the case is slightly smaller in diameter so it will handle heavier pressures better than a 45-70 necked down? There must be a good reason that all those mods are based on a 444 and not a 45-70. While we are wishing how about a 375 Winchester? Or a 375 Winchester necked down to 357? I really like the idea of a 357 Long.

There are a bunch of 45-70 "wildcats"! The reason the JDJ is based on the .444 is to make it safe in the Contender, pressures would need to be less to user the bigger case head of the 45-70. Ruger level pressure levels up to 55kpsi far exceed the .444, so case construction isn't the issue.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,118971.msg1098392619.html#msg1098392619

http://stevespages.com/page8d.htm

http://ammoguide.com/?catid=279

.30/348 Win - Here's your .30/.45-70
.33 Winchester - Here's a .338/.45-70
.348 Winchester - Here's a .348/.45-70
.35/.348 Win - Here's a .358/.45-70
.38-56 Winchester - A .375/.45-70, which BTW is listed as a .45-70 "wildcat"
.38-70 Winchester - ditto
.38-72 Winchester - ditto
.38-90 Winchester - ditto
.40-50 Sharps
.40-60 Marlin
.40-60 Winchester
.40-65 - Winchester

BrianB · « **Reply #19 on:** December 18, 2009, 05:49:44 AM »

I've been hoping for a 45-70 necked down to a .17...should be a good squirrel gun.

.17 H&R Vapor, maybe?

clearwater · « **Reply #20 on:** December 18, 2009, 05:50:15 AM »

375 krag improved

lob lead, shoot flat with BTSP or stop dangerous game with a solid.

All in a rimmed cartridge.

375 NEF

Dinny · « **Reply #21 on:** December 18, 2009, 05:50:48 AM »

Quote from: BrianB on December 18, 2009, 05:49:44 AM

I've been hoping for a 45-70 necked down to a .17...should be a good squirrel gun.

A 17-70?? Interesting.......

retrosub · « **Reply #22 on:** December 18, 2009, 07:42:56 AM »

41 maximum.

[edit] It would fire 41 magnum pistol ammunition, but also a proprietary H&R round that would be a lengthened 41 mag. How long? I don't know.... how long can you go?

streak · « **Reply #23 on:** December 18, 2009, 08:05:52 AM »

Quote from: kevinsmith5 on December 17, 2009, 02:56:21 PM

How about a 45 Longer Colt? Shoot long colt and longer, say a 1/4" longer cartridge?

The .454 Casull is already manufactured.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #24 on:** December 18, 2009, 08:38:13 AM »

Quote from: retrosub on December 18, 2009, 07:42:56 AM

41 maximum.

or did you mean .41 H&R MAX
i thought of that to probly a better round
few people shoot the 41 compared to 357 or 44

44 rejected as there is a 445 super mag and the 444
45 rejected because we have the 460 S&W and 45-70
50 rejected because it sure doesnt need any more power
375 has always intriqued me
405 H&R MAGNUM lengthend 405 win but will still handle the 405 win

to truely be HANDI it should be able to use your hand gun ammo
[ atleast have a non-proprietory back up ]

357 was the one i chose also based on the popularity of the 357 max and how it can srand more power

i did like the suggestion
and never thought about the .22 super long H&R rim fire
that also handles shorts longs andlong rifles

tony212 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 19, 2009, 12:26:13 AM »

While we are all daydreaming here, I have always been partial to the 450 Marlin, I was sorry when it was dropped from the H&R line up, But how about a 450 Marlin necked down to .375, or .35. I think that would be a pretty sweet bear rifle.
Just dreaming here a little.
Tony212

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #26 on:** December 19, 2009, 04:52:53 AM »

I just think it's sad they haven't made a factory .32 H&R mag and they have had that around a long time so these others are truly pipe dreams. Kurt

Lazermule · « **Reply #27 on:** December 19, 2009, 07:35:23 AM »

Quote from: Dinny on December 18, 2009, 05:50:48 AM

Quote from: BrianB on December 18, 2009, 05:49:44 AM
I've been hoping for a 45-70 necked down to a .17...should be a good squirrel gun.

A 17-70?? Interesting.......

Heck, go right to a 17 / 120.....

LM

quickdtoo · « **Reply #28 on:** December 19, 2009, 07:37:20 AM »

Here's a 30-120 compared to either a 300 or 338 Win mag, don't remember which I used.

Tim

poncaguy · « **Reply #29 on:** December 19, 2009, 08:22:11 AM »

I still want a 327 Federal Carbine, could shoot all the 32's...........please!