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Offline Frank V

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Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« on: December 18, 2009, 01:30:02 PM »
Who is using the Hornaday 350gr RN in the Marlin 95 .45-70? I'm just starting to use some I have left over from a Win. 458 Mag. that I traded. I loaded some up with the starting load out of the Hodgdons manual using H335. Who hunts with these bullets? They should give good velocity & accuracy in the Marlin. I've been very pleased with the Rem. 405gr SP in this rifle.  ;) Thanks.
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2009, 04:07:49 PM »
Here we go again. Look out :P
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2009, 04:17:22 PM »
I could be wrong but you might want to conserve those IIRC they are out of production...


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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2009, 04:25:47 PM »
nevermind, I think it was the 300 gr partition that got discontinued

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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2009, 05:52:35 PM »
I use them in my H&R Handi Rifle in 45/70 and load them ahead of 28 grains of 2400 for a medium power, but extremely accurate load. That is my favorite 45/70 loading. IIRC I understand this loading to get about 1600-1650 fps. I get outstanding accuracy with 1" groups at 100 as long as I do my part. I have even shot some cloverleafs at 100, this with 3 shot groups, but you will not need more than 1 or 2 shots with a 45/70....<><....:)
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2009, 04:49:17 AM »
Andy's got a good load there; it's in contention for my handy Handi load.  But I'm also going to try those 350's at around 2500 fps in my 45-120.   ;D  Lott's a velocity potential there...   ::) ;)
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2009, 05:25:45 AM »
It is my favorite bullet in the 1895. The most accurate in my experiance and a high performing hunting bullet. I have taken my biggest buck ever with this combination. I did recover the bullet from this big buck and will post a pic of it if you are interested.

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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2009, 05:37:06 AM »
Quote from: Cheesehead on December 19, 2009, 05:25:45 AM
It is my favorite bullet in the 1895. The most accurate in my experiance and a high performing hunting bullet. I have taken my biggest buck ever with this combination. I did recover the bullet from this big buck and will post a pic of it if you are interested.

Cheese

I'd love to see it! I've used this bullet a lot in the .458 Win. Mag. but am just starting to use it in the .45-70. I'm aware of the accuzations about using the lighter than 405 grns in the .45-70 in another thread & I'm not interested in getting a yes you do no you don't thread started. Let's keep it civil! If someone doesn't agree with another's choice of bullets let's not get personal, I believe in letting each kill his own snakes in his own way! I'm just interested in hearing from those who have used this bullet.  ;)
 Thanks. Frank

PS: I'd like to hear what powders you've found to give good accuracy. I'm starting with H335.
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2009, 05:57:56 AM »
I have not had good luck with 3031 in the lighter bulletts. Did not burn complete and left a lot of unburned powder on the cement in front of the muzzle when shooting it.
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2009, 09:11:40 AM »
I use H 4198 with that bullet shoots well for me
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2009, 11:10:37 AM »
Cecil, according to the Hodgdon's 2006 manual H 4198 gives top velocity. Good excuse to buy another powder huh?  :)
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2009, 03:23:24 PM »
I just loaded up 50 of them last night using imr4198, remington brass, winchester LR primers. Going shooting tomorrow if it isn't 20 below or snowing. ::) I'll give you my thoughts then.   ;D

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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2009, 05:28:20 AM »
Quote from: Cecil on December 19, 2009, 09:11:40 AM
I use H 4198 with that bullet shoots well for me

Ditto    H4198 with lead or jacketed for me.
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2009, 08:22:31 AM »
Well the temp was -10'C (14'F)when I left, wind about 5 mph from behind and steady. I had 5 different loadings of IMR 4198 and the 350 gr JRN Hornady's. All on the tame side starting at 38 and working up in .5 increments.

Things noticed. There was enough unburnt powder on the snow to load another shell.. Accuracy, best group (all groups 5 shots at 100 yards) was 2.6 inches centre to centre at 38 gr. Worst over six inches at 40 gr. I did have a nice group going at 39.5 but a flyer took it out from 4 shots at 2.02 " to 3.5" with the flyer.

I think/know that the scope I'm using is part of the problem. The 2" bull that I'm using dissappears behind the crosshairs at 100 yards so it is kind of hard to have consistent point of aim. An upgrade is in order if I expect to tighten these  groups up.

The table I brought to put my chrony on was too low to use so I didn't chrony any of the loads. Just judging from the different manuals I have I would expect velocity to be in the 1700-1800 fps range. Definately a sharper recoil than some factory 405's I shot for warm up.

Of note. After I had shot about 30 rounds, I sort of just looked around and I felt a great big smile come across my face. ;D I thought to myself, Man!!! I could sit here and do this all day!!! ;D ;D ;D

I think I'm hooked. ;D

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Re: Hornady 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2009, 04:28:48 PM »
Here are some pics of the 350 Hornady round nose recovered from a large buck I shot. The first shot hit the deer broadside at 120 yards, through both lungs and dropped it. As I approached the deer it attempted to get up and I shot again, a quartering away shot with this bullet lodging in the upper neck after penetrating the deer diagonally from the center of the rib cage. The range was 20 yards. I had this 45/70 round charged with RL7 at near maximum. The buck did not get up again.

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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2009, 02:20:37 AM »
I have a acquired a partial box (18) of the 350 grn Hornady hollow points and will try them out on a doe in the late antlerless season or a hog .  I luv the cast 405's and Rems but change may do me good.
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Re: Hornady 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2009, 01:23:47 PM »
Quote from: Cheesehead on December 22, 2009, 04:28:48 PM
Here are some pics of the 350 Hornady round nose recovered from a large buck I shot. The first shot hit the deer broadside at 120 yards, through both lungs and dropped it. As I approached the deer it attempted to get up and I shot again, a quartering away shot with this bullet lodging in the upper neck after penetrating the deer diagonally from the center of the rib cage. The range was 20 yards. I had this 45/70 round charged with RL7 at near maximum. The buck did not get up again.

Cheese

Thanks for the pictures. Those look like they did real well. Going to try mine. I'm using RL7 for the Rem. 405s & am trying H335 with the 350s. Merry Christmas.
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2009, 01:33:06 PM »
I have a friend that has taken deer, moose, and a couple of black bears with the Hornady 350 RN over stiff charges of IMR 4198. He likes them better than the 300 grain....... though he was loading the 300's pretty hot, and maybe too fast for their construction. He generally uses his Handi rifle though he does have a Marlin.
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2009, 02:50:37 PM »
Quote from: Tallwalker on December 25, 2009, 01:33:06 PM
I have a friend that has taken deer, moose, and a couple of black bears with the Hornady 350 RN over stiff charges of IMR 4198. He likes them better than the 300 grain....... though he was loading the 300's pretty hot, and maybe too fast for their construction. He generally uses his Handi rifle though he does have a Marlin.

I just bought a can of H4198 & am wanting to try it soon. It's listed as top velocity in the 2006 Hodgdon's manual.
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2009, 04:37:28 AM »
I use the H4198 for the hunting loads but never get close to the MAX with it. Always consistent and measures well it seems for me. 
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2010, 04:21:25 PM »
Just tried the starting load in the Hodgdon's manual with H4198. I got a 3 shot 1" group @ 65 yards off the window sill of my P/U. That"s encouraging for a start. I'm going to up the charge slowly & see what it likes with this 350gr Hornaday RN. Hopefully I'll get mild pressures & good accuracy & over 2000fps. We'll see.  Thanks.  :)
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2010, 04:41:52 PM »
I push my 350s with a hat full of 4895. It has worked every time I've tried it, never recovered a bullet yet.
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2010, 07:06:34 PM »
Had the same problem with 3031.  Didnt seem to burn it all. I like the H322 with the 350 Hornadys. Trying out the 2400 with the cast 350FPs
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2010, 06:28:41 AM »
 :D Loaded 50 of these over IMR 3031, so far only sighted in the Marlin 1895 and punch a couple though a snuff can size target at one hundred yards...I didn't check for un burned powder, but since we have snow, I will next time I shoot. Acc. was good enough for what I will use this rifle for...Haven't shot any game with this load....
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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2010, 10:55:13 AM »
Im interested to see what you come up Wyo. Coyote Hunter.

I have a GG. Load was 48g 3031 with a Fed GM210M primer. No gas check. The load was accurate, actually shot a clover leaf off a bench @ 100yds (it was the rifle) but lots of powder on the snow.   I saw the powder, I didnt pick it up, my cousin did. He's the one pointed it out.  Graybeard had said maybe it was burnt residue in a prior thread.

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Re: Hornaday 350gr RN In the 95/.45-70
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2010, 05:54:33 AM »
FYI
Hornady calls for 1800 fps minimum to achieve reliable expansion. I use RL-7 as a very clean burning powder for that. Recoil is noticable when this bullet is pushed to that MV with RL-7. I don't even want to think of a load that produces MV of 2000 fps ::)
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