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What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« on: December 19, 2009, 04:25:05 AM »
??? It's got to be big pork for his state. But what?
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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2009, 05:07:51 AM »
every time i am hopefull that there has to be someone somewhere that has some integrety i am proven wrong. just goes to show that all can be bought....

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2009, 05:19:08 AM »
It is amazing to me how these SOB's can stand up there and tell a bold faced lie without even blinking.  The federal government is well on their way to destroying our health care system.  This further proves that this is no longer a government by the people and for the people.  These jackasses don't represent us.  They represent themselves and their own special interests.  I hope they feel it come election time, but it is likely that we will simply elect more of the same.

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2009, 05:36:04 AM »
well lets see what old joe does...i think he changed to being supportive only as a wise political move. he felt it would never pass (and he may still be right) and then he could say it was not him that caused it to go down it was the democrats themselves. now if they have all the votes bought and paid for...i still believe old joe will stick it to them...

if not and it passes ...well we are in a heap of trouble as a nation.

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2009, 05:37:23 AM »
You know, if you have paid any attention to the League of the South folks, they have been saying for a while that we have a broken system in our federal government that cannot be fixed.  Is the only answer to this our constitutional right to seceed from this government and establish a new one?  I'm beginning to think it may be.

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2009, 05:52:30 AM »
KB21........You hit the nail on the head! They are ALL a bunch of Players & we are the Payers!
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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2009, 07:26:29 AM »
I do not like Obama or the Democrats healthcare plan.  However, the Republicans ran the white house and congress for several years.  They were content to sit on their sorry rears while the price of healthcare in this country doubled.  Now the Democrats run everything and all the minority Republicans in congress can do is lie, whine and cry.  Congressional Republicans do not have a healthcare plan or any other kind of plan.  They are out of power, out of touch and far out just like the Democrats were for years. 

It is the turn of the Democrats to run everything for awhile:  That is the way it works in this country.  The Democrats and Republicans take turns growing government, starting wars in order to build nations and stomping on our Constitutional rights.   Maybe the Republican party can find someone who is a lesser evil than Obama and run him for president in in 2012.  The vicious cycle will continue until voters wake up and throw all the bums out. 




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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2009, 07:41:25 AM »
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They were content to sit on their sorry rears while the price of healthcare in this country doubled.

Yep, because we all know that the government sets the prices of healthcare.   ::)

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Maybe the Republican party can find someone who is a lesser evil than Obama and run him for president in in 2012.


Ummm, that would pretty much be anybody.
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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2009, 08:29:23 AM »
I do not like Obama or the Democrats healthcare plan.  However, the Republicans ran the white house and congress for several years.  They were content to sit on their sorry rears while the price of healthcare in this country doubled.  Now the Democrats run everything and all the minority Republicans in congress can do is lie, whine and cry.  Congressional Republicans do not have a healthcare plan or any other kind of plan.  They are out of power, out of touch and far out just like the Democrats were for years.  

It is the turn of the Democrats to run everything for awhile:  That is the way it works in this country.  The Democrats and Republicans take turns growing government, starting wars in order to build nations and stomping on our Constitutional rights.   Maybe the Republican party can find someone who is a lesser evil than Obama and run him for president in in 2012.  The vicious cycle will continue until voters wake up and throw all the bums out.  
      
     

       Alsaqr...Whaaat ?
       "They (the Republicans) are out of power, out of touch and far out just like the Democrats WERE for years".

  Does that mean you think the Democrats are NOT either "out of touch" or "far out" now ?


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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2009, 08:35:57 AM »
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Does that mean you think the Democrats are NOT either "out of touch" or "far out" now ?


Yep, the Democrats are out of touch, out of control and far out, just like the Republicans.  Like it or not, they are also in power because it is their turn.  Both partys are as alike as two stinking poop sandwiches:  If the voters ever get smart enough to realize that they will throw both partys out of DC.  

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2009, 08:37:36 AM »
Vote them all out, even the ones you think are doing a good job. Next election vote everyone out again.

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2009, 08:53:51 AM »
                                             





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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2009, 09:09:05 AM »
Among the other concessionsgiven to Sen. Nelson, the state of Nebraska will receive millions more in federal medicaid funding for its poor, uninsured citizens.

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2009, 09:37:38 AM »
Among the other concessionsgiven to Sen. Nelson, the state of Nebraska will receive millions more in federal medicaid funding for its poor, uninsured citizens.

Yes, I just heard that the low-lifes guarranteed nelson that medicaid would not EVER go up in his State & the other States would pay for those increases.
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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2009, 09:46:50 AM »
I do not like Obama or the Democrats healthcare plan.  However, the Republicans ran the white house and congress for several years.  They were content to sit on their sorry rears while the price of healthcare in this country doubled.  Now the Democrats run everything and all the minority Republicans in congress can do is lie, whine and cry.  Congressional Republicans do not have a healthcare plan or any other kind of plan.  They are out of power, out of touch and far out just like the Democrats were for years. 

It is the turn of the Democrats to run everything for awhile:  That is the way it works in this country.  The Democrats and Republicans take turns growing government, starting wars in order to build nations and stomping on our Constitutional rights.   Maybe the Republican party can find someone who is a lesser evil than Obama and run him for president in in 2012.  The vicious cycle will continue until voters wake up and throw all the bums out. 





I agree with you when speaking of the bulk of Republicans, but not in part. It is a fact that a few of the good Repuplicans (a minority odf them)tried to bring about 1. Tort reform, which through reductions in legal problems & cost of insurance for Doctors would reduce Healthcare costs & 2. Allow interstate competition which would further reduce costs, in fact some tried to bring these 2 real cost savers into the mix recently, but not 1 Dem liked that, so no the diff. between the 2 is extreme in this matter.

And besides, doing nothing would be much cheaper than what we will get now, so it is retarted to blame anyone but the Dems who vote for this disaster, it is wholly there's by any logical way to measure.
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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2009, 11:49:40 AM »
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1. Tort reform, which through reductions in legal problems & cost of insurance for Doctors would reduce Healthcare costs & 2. Allow interstate competition which would further reduce costs, in fact some tried to bring these 2 real cost savers into the mix recently, but not 1 Dem liked that, so no the diff. between the 2 is extreme in this matter.


Why didn't those Republicans in congress do all of that wonderful stuff when they ran the congress and the white house?  I'll tell you why:  Both the Republicans and the Democrats in congress are in the pockets of the trial lawyers.  Republicans talk a good line about tort reform but they never done any tort reform when they were in power.  Now the congressional Republicans are making a big deal out of stuff that should have been fixed on their watch.  

The Republican opposition in congress never put forth an alternate healthcare plan.  Had the Republicans put forth a viable plan of their own a consensus could have been reached on some things and the end plan would have been much less of a hideocity than the one the Democrats dreamed up.  The Republicans in congress are content to take the money from the parmaceutical industry, insurance companies and doctors.  They see no need for healthcare reform.  

The Democrat and the Republican partys are as alike as two stinky poop sandwiches.  

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2009, 12:03:42 PM »
Among the other concessionsgiven to Sen. Nelson, the state of Nebraska will receive millions more in federal medicaid funding for its poor, uninsured citizens.

Yes, I just heard that the low-lifes guarranteed nelson that medicaid would not EVER go up in his State & the other States would pay for those increases.
Every heard of " Discrimination"?
Then every state will be wanting its same deal!!
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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2009, 12:10:10 PM »
What is interesting is that the doctors are not making any more money per medicare (and medicaid and private insurance) patient for the past 5+ years. The system caps what can be charged for patients with third party coverage. The only thing that can be done by the doctor is to raise the fees for the non-insured patient to combat inflation. I know this as I am in primary care. 

Yet health care cost continue to rise. Insurance companies continue to build skyscrapers Ambulance chasers are doing fine.

Yet another thing is happening insurance companies are quickly getting out of the health care business. Unicare, a rather large player has sold their accounts to Blue cross. I think that they see the writing on the wall.

The government forces health care companies to take on a lot of patients who otherwise can not get care. Patients which need large amounts of care. One scenario that I see is that the government lets them go bankrupt and then will pick up the pieces to start their single payer system. Obama originally wanted to have a single payer system but the politics were not right for it. He will have it once costs go through the roof.


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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2009, 12:33:08 PM »
I kept thinking that Ol' Ben would be the man who stopped gvt healthcare. If he would have held tough, he could have been Nebraska's Senator for life. Especially if he would change to Republican.

He was the Gov. when we lived in Nebr., and he was a pretty good leader, even if he is a dumbycrat.

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2009, 12:44:09 PM »
What is interesting is that the doctors are not making any more money per medicare (and medicaid and private insurance) patient for the past 5+ years. The system caps what can be charged for patients with third party coverage. The only thing that can be done by the doctor is to raise the fees for the non-insured patient to combat inflation. I know this as I am in primary care. 

Yet health care cost continue to rise. Insurance companies continue to build skyscrapers Ambulance chasers are doing fine.

Yet another thing is happening insurance companies are quickly getting out of the health care business. Unicare, a rather large player has sold their accounts to Blue cross. I think that they see the writing on the wall.

The government forces health care companies to take on a lot of patients who otherwise can not get care. Patients which need large amounts of care. One scenario that I see is that the government lets them go bankrupt and then will pick up the pieces to start their single payer system. Obama originally wanted to have a single payer system but the politics were not right for it. He will have it once costs go through the roof.



Exactly!  Both sides also failed to pass the SGR repeal that went before congress a couple of months ago.  Both of our senators from Mississippi, Roger Wicker and Thad Cochran, voted against the SGR repeal that would have helped towards lowering costs.

What we, as physicians, are going to have to do is to simply stop taking medicare and medicaid.  Yes, it is a difficult decision to make, but physicians are going to have to pull together and take a tough, hardnosed stance against this.  The dentists did this in the 70s when they tried this crap on them. 

I don't have a problem with medicare itself.  I think its intent was good.  The implementation of it has been what is wrong.  It should have never been in the government's hands to begin with.  IMO, it should be reserved for those that have worked and paid into the program, but the money paid in should go into a health savings account for the person paying it.  The government should take its hands completely out of it and do away with the medicare regulations and payment standards.  CMS should be abolished.  The same thing should happen to social security.  The federal government should in no way have access to this money to spend on other things.

Tort reform needs to be done to protect physicians from frivilous lawsuits.  The federal regulations of the insurance industry should be abolished and left up to each state, opening a pathway for portability across state lines.

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2009, 01:15:41 PM »
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Why didn't those Republicans in congress do all of that wonderful stuff when they ran the congress and the white house?


alsagar, why can't YOU understand that Republicans are not an homogenous group.  We have some good Republicans, some weak kneed "moderate" Republicans and then we have the RINO's (who really should just call themselves democraps and be done with it).  You ever notice how Republicans virtually never have a unanimous vote on anything (due to the RINO's in the party), but that democraps have unanimous votes quite frequently.  That is why you are completely wrong when you say:

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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2009, 01:31:50 PM »
For every RINO there is a conservative Democrat.  The Democrats quite often do not vote as a bloc.  Quite a few Democrats in the house have gone against their leadership and voted with the Republicans on a lot of stuff.  Looks like all the Republicans in the senate are voting as a bloc against healthcare reform. 

I will say it again:  The Democrat party and the Republican party are as alike as two stinking poop sandwiches. 

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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2009, 01:40:21 PM »
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For every RINO there is a conservative Democrat.  The Democrats quite often do not vote as a bloc.


But they do when it counts.  Remember the Clinton impeachment hearing?
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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2009, 01:41:56 PM »
For every RINO there is a conservative Democrat.  The Democrats quite often do not vote as a bloc.  Quite a few Democrats in the house have gone against their leadership and voted with the Republicans on a lot of stuff.  Looks like all the Republicans in the senate are voting as a bloc against healthcare reform. 

I will say it again:  The Democrat party and the Republican party are as alike as two stinking poop sandwiches. 

Say it all you like & be wrong over & over. I am a member of the Constitution Party & don't care for the Republicans at all. And as stated before I agree with you in part. However, the Republicans did not bring this joke to us, the Dems did. I am in reference to health care only, in some issues the Rep & Dems are indeed very much alike. But why argue with a fact we can all plainly see. The Dems brought this joke to us
& doing nothing, while not really good was better than what we will now get. I for the moment have great Heath Ins. & many I know do, but that is about to change & it is a DEMOCRAT bill, so get over it.
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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2009, 02:09:41 PM »
Yep, it is a Democrat bill.  Never said it was not. 

Both partys are as alike as two stinky poop sandwiches. 

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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2009, 02:11:06 PM »
 ???  ::) ;D
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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2009, 02:55:31 PM »
Has the Late Great Mr. Nelson possibly "insured" that the heretofore quiet masses rise up and restore right government?

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2009, 03:10:18 PM »
the republicans did not address the problem simply because the cure would have been too painful and everyone would have pitched a fit.

when clinton (hillary) tried same thing ,except they thought the way to stop any complaints was to promise 100% medical to all, they caught hell because of the price tag.

obama comes in with songs of the siren playing in his ear. he believed what the far left had told him..he was the messiah, he was a cross between martin luther king and john f. kennedy and none would ever refuse him nor stand in his way.

he really believed that all would rally behind him and only a few would oppose him. with the financial crisis scaring everyone to death he and his cronies said now is the time. we will tell everyone it must be done to save money in the long term..and on and on.

he did not see the tea party uprising nor did anyone else. they laughed at them, ridiculed and belittled them which only resulted in them getting twice as mad. if they had just "..let the sleeping dog lie" they might have made it before anyone even noticed. no they just kept digging at the plain folks the hard working folks and they really P%4#$$ them off.

the tea party types started raising heck and the pressure they brought to bear was surprizing to all. now there are still some that totaly are disdainful of anyone that dares question them..Reid -Peolosi-Schumer are just a few. others like this Nelson believe that some political manuver such as getting more favors will spare him. it clearly shows just how far out of tune they are. the tea party people and othewrs have had it with all of them and their games.

the backlash with be tremendous at the next elections. both parties are in deep trouble. the republicans think if they stand back and take no actions to support this they will be o.k.

they are clueless as well. the people want someone to stand up and make every attempt not only to stop what is going on but to swear to god they will reverse any actions taken. then they want government out of their lives and they want lower taxes period.

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Re: What did Ben Nelson get for selling out?
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2009, 03:23:14 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2009, 03:27:48 PM »
 Recently, the Panola Watchman newspaper in Carthage, Texas, published a full page ad with a petition taken out by 315 Tea Partiers in opposition to national health care.  The chairman of the group had heart surgery in July.  Oh, and it was paid by medicare.