armed officer--snowball fight

[williamlayton]

That dude--maybe not. ALL dudes??
Like saying ALL such and shuches are stupid----ALL??
I am not defending the officer--at all.
I am defending the need for officers to intervein in this affair.
I have been treated with much disdain by a few policemen---I have been treated with courtesy by some that should have been less courteous--in other words, I wasn't very courteous.
I respect the law--and respect most all officers, but I am going to obey an officer when he tells me to do something.
When you are up to your hips in alligators you have got to remember you are there to drain the swamp. He let his emotions go--it happened.
The ones I blame for the incident are the radio folks who promoted this without regrard fo the need of permits and basically without the benefit of thinking thru the process.
Someone could have gotten their eye put out.
Blessings

[thxmrgarand]

I remain convinced that since the cop is a negro we cannot escape the possibility that he is only a cop because of affirmative action.  Unarguably there is a different standard for some than for others because affirmative action is the law of the land.  Therefore I believe that it takes an incident like this to reveal the shortcomings and yes, even the danger that exists for all of us because of the double standard  that constitutes affirmative action.  I would guess that it is especially the case in Washington, DC.  A cop who had to advance through the organization on merit alone might well have reacted very differently but we likely will never know. 

[Dee]

Having been in the business for some 20 years including CID, I can attest that jackass cops come in all colors. Your theory though maybe not intended, IS racist in concept. I have suffered the affects of affirmative action but, as I said, I know some really loser cops that are as white as the driven snow.
This thread with that, has taken a real turn for the worst.

[gypsyman]

Well, since the thread has taken a turn this way, I'll throw another .02 worth in. In the last 20+ years, TV and Hollywood has made police officers out to be something they are not. The generation of officers we have now, have grown up believeing cops can do no wrong, and are superman. Sorry, to much smoke getting blown up their butt. Is it a tough job. Yep, it can be. Can also be very boring with all the paper work. It's a job. Take it as such. So many of these shows make it out that every day every cop is getting into a car chase or shoot out. Talked to many officers that went 20 or 25 years and never had to draw their gun. This guy obviously did wrong. How much disipline should he recieve, let the review board decide. If he's under to much stress, get him in a different position before he hurts someone. And as far as the racial tone of the event, I think the person that threw the snowball and hit him was black also. No racial prejudice here. And, we'll never know if he was hired becasue of affermative action, I really don't care. Being what the percentage is of blacks in D.C. is to white, being a black cop is probably and advantage. I personally wouldn't be a cop in D.C. no matter what color I was. gypsyman

[williamlayton]

I agree with Dee.
Blessings

[Cabin4]

The main stream media throws race in our face all the damn time. Every time there is a high profile white cop to black suspect, we get the race crape. Here we have a black cop drawing his gun on a majority white crowd over snowballs, and were is the racial outcray from the media? Were are the questions I ask? Why did a black cop draw his gun on white people becasue of a snowball? Seems like a reasonable question to me given the constant drum beating we here from CNN, NBC, etc......If the tables were turned on this snowball fight, your damn right you would be hearing about it from the press. It would be news for days.....

[thxmrgarand]

Affirmative action is racism, pure and simple.  And if debating affirmative action is racist then the law can never be changed because no one can debate it.  That makes no sense to me.

As long as affirmative action is part of the landscape there can be no negro promoted without the possibility that affirmative action had some role.  If affirmative action had a role in a promotion then some qualified white person was or may have been shorted by the process.  That is logic, and I am not sure if logic can be racist. 

Several years ago there was a front page article in the Wall Street Journal that said that the NYC police department keeps 10 attorneys busy full time researching all the officers who were claiming to be negro (to see if in fact they qualified to make that claim) so that they could better achieve promotions.  My belief is that is a very disturbing aspect of American life.  If someone believes that my belief is racism and that race-based affirmative action is not racism then I must say that the logic is beyond me.

In any event, an officer who draws his gun because a snowball hit his automobile is probably in a job he shouldn't have.  My opinion is that if that officer is a negro then affirmative action may have been part of the way the fellow obtained that job he shouldn't have, perhaps especially in an urban area like Washington, DC where race-based affirmative action is rampant.

[pmeisel]

In any event, an officer who draws his gun because a snowball hit his automobile is probably in a job he shouldn't have.

Enough said.  The rest is really irrelevant....

There are losers in every profession.  Some are more visible than others.  Where is the thread about incompetent Wal-Mart cashiers?

[Dee]

Like I said. The thread has changed for the worst. Now it's about black vs white, and white vs black.
Hell! Let's just burn a cross, and be done with it.

[Cabin4]

Dee, why do you believe its unreasonable to raise the question? We hear this crape all the time from the media. Seems the majority of racism there is in this country is that projected by the media. Don't you wonder why there is not even the question being raised by the media when you darn well if the race tables were turned they would be raising the issue.

No one’s trying to burn a cross here Dee. It’s clearly a reasonable question to explore and I raised it very early on in this thread. It was my first post. After all, the only thing these people were doing was throwing snowballs. If anyone can honestly tell themselves if the tables were turned, there would be no outcry of racism, then I think that person is living with blinders on.

[Dee]

Title of thread? Armed officer-snowball fight?
Why not start a thread concerning Affirmative Action, or perhaps change the name of this one to say: ARMED BLACK OFFICER- VS WHITE SNOWBALL FIGHTERS.

It seems that most agree that the officer screwed up. With that there is little to argue.
SO! Why not bring race into it. That's what Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton do, and that's what ya'll have done. So with that said: Have at it. You don't have to justify it for me.
And no throwing snowballs WASN'T the only thing they were doing. They were throwing them at traffic. That's what started this mess in the first place.
Now, I am done with this.

[Cabin4]

It's on topic Dee. Its about the motive(s) of the cop. It's only raising the question of what motivated the cop to be an idiot. If the cop was motivated by race to pull a gun on white people throwing snowballs, that seems perfectly normal to me. He was motivated by something to be a moron......why not speculate on this....If this cops record is clean and then all of a sudden he goes off the edge, what was the cause? Could it be race? Something certainly sent him over the edge. Maybe it was, the vision of white people throwing snowballs at his $70k car?

[Dee]

 

[pmeisel]

I have met morons of every color and and creed.

[williamlayton]

I believe you wil find the crowd to be equally mixed.
What does race have to do with stupidity?
If you say it was a white crowd then it was stupid white crowd.
The crowd acted stupidly first---the officer compounded a problem that was getting out of hand--and it would have ended badly even if the officer was not there.
Folks--race has nothing to do with stupid. Stupid moves regardless of race.
I have seen many whites appointed to positions above their capability.
I have seen deserving blacks denied based on race.
Blessings

[Cabin4]

I believe you wil find the crowd to be equally mixed.
C4: I beleive you will find the black cop in the face of mostly the white people in the crowd.What does race have to do with stupidity?
C4: Now there's some words of wisdom....I can't beleive you actually wrote this one.

If you say it was a white crowd then it was stupid white crowd.
C4: Apparently, now a snowball fight is only for stupid people.The crowd acted stupidly first---the officer compounded a problem that was getting out of hand--and it would have ended badly even if the officer was not there.
C4: William, did you ever consider changing your handle to crystal ball?
Folks--race has nothing to do with stupid. Stupid moves regardless of race.
C4: If someone acts because of race, then they should get the same treatment as white people who get slaughtered in the media all the time over this.

I have seen many whites appointed to positions above their capability.
I have seen deserving blacks denied based on race.
C4: I have seen many blacks get appointed to position above thier capability only because they are black and have seen white people denied advancement as a result. I guess we all see this from a differant perspective.Blessings

[Dee]

I believe you wil find the crowd to be equally mixed.
What does race have to do with stupidity?
If you say it was a white crowd then it was stupid white crowd.
The crowd acted stupidly first---the officer compounded a problem that was getting out of hand--and it would have ended badly even if the officer was not there.
Folks--race has nothing to do with stupid. Stupid moves regardless of race.
I have seen many whites appointed to positions above their capability.
I have seen deserving blacks denied based on race.
Blessings

William, everything you have stated is the truth. At our age, we have seen it time and again. Have we not?

[mcwoodduck]

In Boston in 1775 didn't the british open fire on a crowd for throwing snowballs at the garison?
I think a few were killed like Chrispic Attics.  First Black Patriot.
Well snow balls can be a danger.  I think the police office over reacted and should have used the Bull horn.

[williamlayton]

Now there are some words of wisdom---I can't believe you actually wrote this one.

Well you do seem to have a problem distinguishing truth from the magic of your mind.
What you said and what I said are both truth about the good old boy system and affirmative action---why can't you see that?
DC is more black than white--now if thru the video I watched if you can't tell the difference between black and white I can offer no solution to this debate.
Did you see the white officer get pelted? He did!
It would be good if you just stopped trying to be correct in the Magic of your mind and look at the reality of this situation. The reality is much different than what you try and defend--without any truth.
Blessings