Author Topic: its 45/120 time !!! (Read 3184 times)

gendoc · « **on:** December 22, 2009, 02:48:58 PM »

today my son came by with a used bc in excellent condition that he traded
some cabinet work for. being we are 45/70 poor..... its time.
already got the reamer from one i did several years back and we got plenty
of bp and 505gr gc boolits

now only thing we need to work on is our shoulders !!!!!
the project begins after the holidays. or after loosen to much sleep thank'n bout it.
tang rear sight is gonna be installed for them long critter shots.
can't wait......

oh-yeah got brass too

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2009, 03:15:47 PM »

I'm not very big (160 lbs.), and maybe that was some of my problem, but the first time I fired off a 500 grain bullet from a 45-120 blackpowder load, was the last time. I can't begin to describe what the recoil was like, and that was from a 12lb. C. Sharps. The only way I could handle that thing was to load it down to about 45-90 specs with a lighter bullet, and then I couldn't shoot from the bench. Had to use cross sticks. 45-120 is just too much, at least for me, but I wish you the best in your project. Besides, I reckon everybody ought to try it at least once.

AtlLaw · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2009, 03:42:19 PM »

Quote from: gendoc on December 22, 2009, 02:48:58 PM

its time.

You have made me SOOOOoooooo Happy I could cry!

The more of these great fun shooting cart-age guns we get out there the more load development we can do! Soons I get my barrel mated up to it's new frame I'm gonna start with some 500 gr. GC's and 350 gr. RNFP's I got!

Just remember, we like Lott a lot!

STUMPJMPR · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2009, 04:06:24 PM »

Does the black powder loads really kick that hard? I used to shoot a 50 caliber T/C Hawken with a 350gr bullet over 100 grains of ffg and it wasn't bad at all.

peternap · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2009, 04:13:13 PM »

Quote from: gendoc on December 22, 2009, 02:48:58 PM

today my son came by with a used bc in excellent condition that he traded
some cabinet work for. being we are 45/70 poor..... its time.
already got the reamer from one i did several years back and we got plenty
of bp and 505gr gc boolits
now only thing we need to work on is our shoulders !!!!!
the project begins after the holidays. or after loosen to much sleep thank'n bout it.
tang rear sight is gonna be installed for them long critter shots.
can't wait......
oh-yeah got brass too

Congratulations!
The small bores are kind of fun.

I'm curious though....I've never had plenty of any kind of powder. How do you manage it?

blacksan · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2009, 04:51:26 PM »

Quote from: Mike in Virginia on December 22, 2009, 03:15:47 PM

I'm not very big (160 lbs.), and maybe that was some of my problem, but the first time I fired off a 500 grain bullet from a 45-120 blackpowder load, was the last time.

I thought blue & gray automatically made a person 8' tall and stainless steel???

Geez, the stereotype will forever be damaged..........

Cottonwood · « **Reply #6 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:47:35 AM »

Quote from: STUMPJMPR on December 22, 2009, 04:06:24 PM

Does the black powder loads really kick that hard? I used to shoot a 50 caliber T/C Hawken with a 350gr bullet over 100 grains of ffg and it wasn't bad at all.

BP loads in a weighted BC or in most if not all BPCR guns give a push, rather than the normal recoiling kick that centerfire smokeless powder loads do. A 100 gr load of FFg is rather nice, to be quite frank about it.

Now if I still had a BC I would either just ream up to 45-90 or at the max go with the 45-110 since it is more historical than the 45-120. I still have a lot of 500-gr Bison Busters, and 550-gr Creedmore bullets to load up and plenty of 45-90 empty brass left over from my Rolling Block rifle that I used to have as well.

Be safe and have fun.
Jon

gstewart44 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 23, 2009, 09:20:05 AM »

Quote from: gendoc on December 22, 2009, 02:48:58 PM

now only thing we need to work on is our shoulders !!!!!

All my best to your shoulders!......

ouch....

It seems like the number of these caliber Handi is growing.....looks like we may need to start the
45/120 Artillery Battalion....

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #8 on:** December 23, 2009, 10:20:42 AM »

blackscan, the blue and gray thing is/was mostly in my head, which was brainwashed to some extent. "If it can't be done, do it anyway," they taught me.

OldBob · « **Reply #9 on:** December 23, 2009, 11:28:10 AM »

gendoc, I ain't just sure about the shooting part, but I'm bettin' the boys are gonna be real amused when you show them how you can clap your hands and shoulder blades together... at the same time !

Swampman · « **Reply #10 on:** December 23, 2009, 11:37:57 AM »

I keep thinking about renting a .45-90 reamer.

JerryKo · « **Reply #11 on:** December 23, 2009, 12:39:38 PM »

Now that's what ima talkn bout. Looking forward to your posts.

Jerry

petemi · « **Reply #12 on:** December 23, 2009, 12:56:02 PM »

Yer all masochistic lunatics.......but you're forgiven....it's Christmas.

Pete

gendoc · « **Reply #13 on:** December 23, 2009, 12:59:00 PM »

well as far as historical goes.... i got the 45/90 and the 110 dt sharps.
and they are blast to play with.. we jus wanted to go 120, cus we can

and my boy wants to. this is for his collection, but i get to shoot it first,
thats the rules !!!!

sometimes ya jus gotta be a yung'un again physically, i'm always mentally.

i would give ana thang in tha world to be his age, cus we are best friends
and thats what its all about....HECK what makes him happy..
dang-shor makes me tha same

jim36 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 23, 2009, 01:00:56 PM »

PETE
   I,m with you. I think they are pretty heavy into the eggnog.

   MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
   Jim <>< <>< <><

gendoc · « **Reply #15 on:** December 23, 2009, 01:03:32 PM »

not yet,,,, but get'n close

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #16 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:08:15 PM »

gendoc, ya gotta quit hangin around the likes of tyke and atlaw Richard. They's some BAD folk! Make ya think yer 10' tall and recoil proof. Now I heard if ya wear yer hat backwards when ya shoot one of em, ya spin around so's the hat is on straight from the recoil.

Enjoy it, I'm gonna buy more stock in aspirin.

DP

gendoc · « **Reply #17 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:16:30 PM »

i hear ya !!! richard tolt me ta put down alotta evan for i pull da trigger....

briannmilewis · « **Reply #18 on:** December 24, 2009, 04:22:42 PM »

Nothing that 20oz of #8 shot down the stock bolt hole, a custom fit limbsaver recoil pad plus a limbsaver slip-on pad wouldn't fix!

Swampman · « **Reply #19 on:** December 24, 2009, 04:37:05 PM »

I can't see adding weight. If I wanted a single shot that was to heavy to carry I'd buy a Ruger.

Spanky · « **Reply #20 on:** December 24, 2009, 04:48:35 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on December 24, 2009, 04:37:05 PM

I can't see adding weight. If I wanted a single shot that was to heavy to carry I'd buy a Ruger.

I like the looks of the old #3 Ruger's.

Spanky

mechanic · « **Reply #21 on:** December 24, 2009, 04:56:07 PM »

I really ain't thought much about reaming my 45-70, but I would like a Pancho Villa bandolier full of ammo to take to the range.............bet I would have 3 lanes to myself!

Swampman · « **Reply #22 on:** December 24, 2009, 04:58:07 PM »

Quote from: Spanky on December 24, 2009, 04:48:35 PM

Quote from: Swampman on December 24, 2009, 04:37:05 PM
I can't see adding weight. If I wanted a single shot that was to heavy to carry I'd buy a Ruger.

I like the looks of the old #3 Ruger's.

Spanky

Me too, I owned one many years ago. I sure wish I'd kept it. It was brutal with hot loads.

brianscott12 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 27, 2009, 05:50:43 AM »

I might consider doin this to an older bc but cant see myself doin it to my new one. $:-\$

quickdtoo · « **Reply #24 on:** December 27, 2009, 06:05:01 AM »

It doesn't hurt Brian, I had my BC rechambered before I ever shot it, but I already had a 45-70 Handi, I may have felt different if the BC was my only 45-70 tho.

Tim

Here's where it all started...

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,52552.msg309604.html#msg309604

brianscott12 · « **Reply #25 on:** December 27, 2009, 06:19:30 AM »

It's not my only 45/70 but it is the only h r 45/70 that I have. I might consider it with another barrell though. That way the bc would still be original if I wanted. I cant remember where I read but somewhere someone said that converting a regular Handi over would be a waste of time. Is this true?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #26 on:** December 27, 2009, 06:45:09 AM »

The advantage the 45-120 using smokeless powder over the 45-70 is the same velocities can be achieved at much lower pressures, ~30-40kpsi for the 120 vs ~50kpsi for modern rifle 45-70 loads. You can see 45-120 Nitro Express velocities at AmmoGuide, data is from 22" thru 32" barrels, Hodgdon 45-120 data is done in a 24" barrel.

Tim

http://ammoguide.com/?catid=680

http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

AtlLaw · « **Reply #27 on:** December 27, 2009, 06:55:58 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on December 27, 2009, 06:05:01 AM

Here's where it all started...

Thanks Tim! I don't remember ever reading that thread! 6 pages! Wow!

I'm gonna finish reading it when time permits...

But tell me, did Haywire ever do a 45-120?

I'm looking at a (black) bear hunt again... figure the 45-120, I prefer to call mine my "458 Sharps Nitro Express 3-1/4," with a 350 Hornady @ 2500 or the 500 gr RNFPGC's @ 2100 ought to do the trick...

quickdtoo · « **Reply #28 on:** December 27, 2009, 06:57:47 AM »

Trail Boss load data and a formula for loading any cartridge is now available for jacketed bullets too just in case anyone is interested.

Tim

http://hodgdon.com/PDF/Trail-Boss-data.pdf

quickdtoo · « **Reply #29 on:** December 27, 2009, 07:03:04 AM »

I couldn't find a post on Ian (Haywire Haywood) ever doing the 45-120, and noticed he hasn't been online here since September. $:-\$

Tim