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Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« on: December 25, 2009, 02:23:00 PM »
Well here we go. A scumbag Muslim tried to blow up one of our jets. Thank God he failed. One thing that gets me is the US would not bomb Iraq durring their holiday but they have no problem doing it to us. Dale


WASHINGTON (Dec. 25) -- A Northwest Airlines passenger from Nigeria, who said he was acting on al-Qaida's instructions, tried to blow up the plane Friday as it was landing in Detroit, law enforcement and national security officials said.

Passengers subdued the man and may have prevented him from detonating the explosives, the officials said.

"We believe this was an attempted act of terrorism," a White House official said.
Federal officials imposed stricter screening measures after the incident.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., ranking GOP member of the House Homeland Security Committee, identified the suspect as Abdul Mudallad, a Nigerian. King said the flight began in Nigeria and went through Amsterdam en route to Detroit. There were 278 passengers aboard the Airbus 330.

There was nothing out of the ordinary until the flight was on final approach to Detroit, said Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Elizabeth Isham Cory. That is when the pilot declared an emergency and landed without incident shortly thereafter, Cory said in an e-mail message. The plane landed at 11:51 a.m. EST.

One of the U.S. intelligence officials said the explosive device was a mix of powder and liquid. It failed when the passenger tried to detonate it.

The passenger was being questioned Friday evening. An intelligence source said the Nigerian passenger was being held and treated in an Ann Arbor, Mich., hospital.

All the sources spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

One law enforcement source said the man claimed to have been instructed by al-Qaida to detonate the plane over U.S. soil.

The official said an official determination of a terrorist act would have to come from the attorney general.

The official added that additional security measures are being taken without raising the airline threat level.

The official declined to describe what additional measures law enforcement was taking.

The White House was coordinating briefings for the president through the Homeland Security Department, the Transportation Security Administration and the FBI.

A law enforcement source said the explosives may have been strapped to the man's body but investigators weren't immediately certain, partly because of the struggle with other passengers.

One passenger from the flight was taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, hospital spokeswoman Tracy Justice said. She didn't know the person's condition, or whether the person was a man or woman. She referred all inquiries to the FBI.

Passenger Syed Jafri, a U.S. citizen who had flown from the United Arab Emirates, said the incident occurred during the plane's descent. Jafri said he was seated three rows behind the passenger and said he saw a glow, and noticed a smoke smell. Then, he said, "a young man behind me jumped on him."

"Next thing you know, there was a lot of panic," he said.

Rich Griffith, a passenger from Pontiac, said he was seated too far in the back to see what had happened. But he said he didn't mind being detained on the plane for several hours. "It's frustrating if you don't want to keep your country safe," he said. "We can't have what's going on everywhere else happening here."

President Barack Obama was notified of the incident and discussed it with security officials, the White House said. It said he is monitoring the situation and receiving regular updates from his vacation spot in Hawaii.

J.P. Karas, 55, of Wyandotte, Mich., said he was driving down a road near the airport and saw a Delta jet at the end of the runway, surrounded by police cars, an ambulance, a bus and some TV trucks.

"I don't ever recall seeing a plane on that runway ever before and I pass by there frequently," he said.

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Karas said it was difficult to tell what was going on, but it looked like the front wheel was off the runway.

"We encourage those with future travel plans to stay in touch with their airline and to visit www.tsa.gov for updates," Homeland Security Department said in a statement.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has been briefed on the incident and is closely monitoring the situation.

The department encouraged travelers to be observant and aware of their surroundings and report any suspicious behavior to law enforcement officials.


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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2009, 05:42:16 PM »
Well here we go. A scumbag Muslim tried to blow up one of our jets. Thank God he failed. One thing that gets me is the US would not bomb Iraq durring their holiday but they have no problem doing it to us. Dale

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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2009, 05:46:14 PM »
Well here we go. A scumbag Muslim tried to blow up one of our jets. Thank God he failed. One thing that gets me is the US would not bomb Iraq durring their holiday but they have no problem doing it to us. Dale

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We are under attack !!! Last I know we at war !
There is a War or Terror ?
This War Criminal should go right to Allah,Alli, or whom ever
he and they think they're going too visit ASAP
 
Trial should be as follows

#1 Your Name
#2Your Reason
 #3  Your Guilty
#4 Your to walk out Back
too be shot in the head
#5 So you can visit HELL


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I agree that is the way it should be. Dale
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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2009, 06:17:25 PM »
Aviation is still a highly prized target for terrorists.  We must not lose our diligence.  We're not fighting them for nothing.  Our foe is real and determined - and thoroughly evil.
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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2009, 08:41:29 PM »
Tommy:  You are right.  That is the way they do it over there.  We need to do the same thing. 

I was at a trial where they caught two men with bombs.  They were caught in the morning.  Trial was about 1PM that afternoon.  They were found guilty, it only took about 2 hours.  When sentence was pronounced, everyone in the court room was herded out the back door.  The prisoners were brought out.  One went to fighting and tried to run.  Then he refused to stand in front of the wall.  Both men were picked up and hung from hooks in the wall by their arms.  Ten solders were marched out and lined up as a firing squad.  Ready, Aim, Fire.  Terrorist were taken down off the wall and carried out.  There were no appeals.
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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2009, 09:21:00 PM »
Yeah but here it will merely mean more inconvenience for old ladies and others. No way we'd ever be guilty of profiling to select those most likely to be terrorists even tho it's been proven that so far no little old ladies have had bombs in their shoes. Still they must take them off and walk barefoot in the airport.

I'll never fly again unless I become rich enough to have my own plane. Now what ya think the liklihood of that is? Yup way less than slim or none.  :o


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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2009, 09:40:05 PM »
you know it gets me to thinking? Just how stupid we are..Remember during the first gulf war and the second and even today how we would not attack during their Holiest Month of Ramadan or what ever it was. Heck we we even tell them we were not going to attack. Giving them time to disperse and hide .

Have any of you ever heard of them hesitating to attack on our Holy Days? No you have not they prefer to  attack then hoping to kill as many as they can while they worship.

Until we learn the lessons of the past and take action to kill them every chance we can we are destined to lose.

There can be no safety areas no free days of no attacks. We must show them no mercy , they certainly will not show us any.

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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2009, 02:55:53 AM »
The Islamic crazies will never cease trying to blow up commercial aircraft.  I spent a career in the US Army as an EOD guy.  Also did the same thing as a civilian for 30 years.  One passenger on that flight said that the guys trousers had a powdery substance on them.  The material that the crazy tried to detonate on that flight was most likely triacetone triperoxide, TATP.  TATP is not detectable by current bomb sniffing technology because it contains no nitrogen. 

TATP is a very dangerous primary explosive that sometimes detonates as soon as the precursers are mixed.  One way the police have of identifying suspected terrorists who have been experimenting with the stuff is burns on the body.  The perp on yesterdays flight was badly burned. 

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Due to the cost and ease with which the precursors can be obtained, acetone peroxide can be manufactured by those without the resources needed to manufacture or buy more sophisticated explosives.[citation needed] When the reaction is carried out without proper equipment the risk of an accident is significant. Simply mixing sulfuric acid, hydrogen peroxide, and acetone can create the substance. The mixture starts as a liquid that quickly crystallizes into a powder. However when mixed it immediately detonates.


 

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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2009, 03:15:46 AM »
I'll never fly again unless I become rich enough to have my own plane. Now what ya think the likelihood of that is? Yup way less than slim or none.  :o


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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2009, 03:30:27 AM »
What ever happened to the idea that if you were caught in the territory of the enemy in civilian cloths engaged in a act of war that you were considered a spy?Spys were tried by court marshals and executed when found guilty by military authorities.Why have all of these civilian lawyers suddenly been included in the procedure?Where in our Constitution are these people protected or even eligible for protection?

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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2009, 03:34:22 AM »
Check out the later posts. At one point I think someone said it had dropped to around $44. It bounced around like a rubber ball while we were having fun watching it. Clearly that site is rather meaningless.  ;D


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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2009, 03:57:35 AM »
No reason for this terrorist to live another day. He should not be given any rights, this is an act of war. Not a criminal offense. But, because of what this country has become, this will escalat. Obama will probably apologize to Nigeria for the other passengers roughing him up. It's only going to get worse. gypsyman
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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2009, 04:23:00 AM »
Now, now fellows! It was just a boyish prank. He really didn't mean anything by it.
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2009, 04:46:39 AM »
The fact that we can't use racial profiling when it comes to searching people at airports is just plain stupid. Why can't common sense be used once in awhile? Since all terrorist acts are committed by middle aged Muslim males. Wouldn't it make sense to search and check out the baggage of everyone of them that boards an airplane, and leave the old ladies and 12 year old kids alone.   
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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2009, 05:04:59 AM »
.... Wouldn't it make sense to search and check out the baggage of everyone of them that boards an airplane, and leave the old ladies and 12 year old kids alone.   

Sadly, I'll bet Joe Passenger and family are going to see a real cluster at the airport screening checkpoints real soon.  Any kind of powders (infant milk mix, cosmetics) will likely be added to those 3-ounce restrictions on liquids and gels already in place, or any sort of powders, gels, liquids, etc, will be banned entirely. 
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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2009, 05:12:30 AM »
I remember when my daughter was nine and my son was eleven. They were singled out and searched. Those blonde haired blue eyed devils are such a threat. I've even got pictures of the search. When I talked to the TSA lady that did the searching she said it was because a lot of adults put drugs and stuff into their kids luggage, so it was clear that they were using 9/11 as an excuse to broaden searches for non-terrorist reasons.
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« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2009, 09:19:42 AM »
Just read that a Nigerian banker thinks it may have been his son.Does this mean my email millions wont be delivered?I was banking on that money to buy my new stuff and such. >:(Slow
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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2009, 10:03:30 AM »
WOW, the religion of "peace" at its finest.  ???


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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2009, 10:14:56 AM »
We need to get over this non-sense about racial profiling and start doing some serious checks on the right kind of people.  Also we need to start using the X-Ray system to screen all passengers.  If you don't want someone to see under your clothes, then don't fly.

The X-Ray system would have caught the stuff he had taped to his body under his clothes.  Drugs are smuggled that way all the time.
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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2009, 10:33:41 AM »
... we need to start using the X-Ray system to screen all passengers.  If you don't want someone to see under your clothes, then don't fly.

The X-Ray system would have caught the stuff he had taped to his body under his clothes.  Drugs are smuggled that way all the time.

You nailed it!  Whole Body Imaging.  Pricy, but maybe this incident will shake loose some $ for more of those.
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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2009, 10:39:42 AM »
What you seem to be ignoring is the flight began in Nigeria not the US. It matters not what we do here if folks abroad do less for incoming flights. Nothing the US does would have prevented this.


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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2009, 11:12:09 AM »
GB:  The US has given Whole Body Imaging equipment to other countries already, and they are in use in some places in Europe.  I realized at the time I was writing that this plane came from a third world country, but I forgot to address that.  And we will never be able to prevent things entering from places like Africa, and the Middle East. 

Currently we do not let planes fly into the US that do not use the minimum level of security we use.  If we upgrade they would have to as well, or receive sanctions on flying to the US.
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« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2009, 03:00:43 AM »
After 911 the political hacks in DC established a bloated bureauracy called the Department of Homeland Security.  The purpose of this agency was to further insulate the white house from situations like this one.  No federal employee will ever take any responsibility for anything that happens on her/his watch.

Two federal agencies approved the entry of that aircraft into the US before it left Europe.  They knew the perp was on a "watch list" but let him enter the US anyhow.  Given a choice between searching a black Muslim who is on a "watch list" and hassling old white women and little kids; the TSA will default to hassling old white women and little kids every time.       

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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2009, 11:14:36 AM »
i bet it was another example of being "PC" and i want to hear what the obama administrtion gives for the "explanation" of the failure. remember how they crucified bush on any and everything? i bet they will dig down deep and procalim..."BUSH DUNNIT"

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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2009, 03:57:57 PM »
I guess all those "air marshalls" were fired, eh? The pilots weren't carrying guns? The no-fly list isn't enforced? Yet we still pay for TSA as a huge part of a huger bureaucracy. Are we getting a benefit from that bureaucracy any more?

I'd hate to be on the crew of that flight. Do you happen to know whether it was the same crew on both of the flights that had problems with Nigerian Islamic fanatics this week?
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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2009, 09:05:07 PM »
I haven't heard directly, but there were probably no Air Marshals on board the aircraft.  They tend to be on aircraft heavy with fuel and flying within the US.  And even if they were aboard, they might not have uncovered themselves, since it sounds like the guy was quickly subdued by other passengers and crew.  They don't like to show themselves unless absolutely necessary.

They pilots probably weren't carrying either.  They're not allowed to carry into most foreign destinations.  But even if they were carrying, they probably would not have left the cockpit during the incident since they're trained to defend the cockpit.

Personally I think the TSA is mostly a waste of time.  Better to put the money into more FBI agents.  But politicians like eyewash.  The public doesn't see the FBI.

I doubt if it was the same crew on the second flight.  Probably on crew rest from the previous flight.  They may have even been removed from duty because of the incident.  Again, I have no direct knowledge.
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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2009, 12:28:25 AM »
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"We believe this was an attempted act of terrorism," a White House official said.

That fella must not have gotten the memo about there being no terrorism! just man made crisisisis(is that plural)

I personally would not fly in my own jet! next to drowning falling from the sky is a pet peave of mine!

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« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2009, 02:23:14 AM »
There was no sky marshall on that aircraft.  The political hacks in DC have never got behind the sky marshall program since its inception in about 1973.  The program has been allowed to languish for decades.   

It gets worse.  The perp was allowed to board that aircraft without a passport.  He did have a multiple entry visa to the USA.  Since the perp did not have a passport, he just about had to have a pass from some US federal agency to enter the USA.  The perp was banned from Great Britain.  Guess that no one in US federal law enforcement or "intelligence" is talking with the Brits. 

Yesterday I watched that sorry Napolitano him and haw and claim that the system worked.  Wonder which "system" she is talking about.  If it had not been for a passenger who went over three seats to subdue the perp we may have had an explosion on that aircraft. 


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Re: Passenger Tries to Blow Up Jet Arriving in Detroit!!!
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2009, 09:16:50 AM »
WOW, the religion of "peace" at its finest.  ???


How long will it be until one of our resident antisemites trys to blame this on the Jews?

Couldn't wait eh?