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Re: Searching for "The" elk rifle.... opinions...?
« Reply #150 on: May 07, 2010, 07:35:33 PM »
The 06 is OK, but by far the best for elk is the .30-.35 Whelen, a wildcat made of the .35 Whelen necked down to .30 with the shoulder blown out to 35 deg.

Is this appreciably different than the 30-06Improved?

CH - that Ruger should be a dandy! My Dad shot nothing but 180gr in his, usually Nosler PH's for hunting and 'anything' for recreational shooting. The elk he shot thought it was up to the task...
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« Reply #151 on: May 07, 2010, 08:42:08 PM »
The Whelen necked down to .30 cal. is called the .3 unimproved.   I have several.

The elk in the avatar was shot by my grandson with a BAR in .270.    He killed it completly.
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« Reply #152 on: May 07, 2010, 08:59:14 PM »
Well, there is a new rifle out there by BS Custom that has really caught my eye..  It is a bolt action constructed of specially coated carbon fibre and titanium.  There are no locking lugs per say, but 3 wedge shaped protrusions on the bolt that fit into openings in the receiver.  Makes for a slick bolt slide that locks up tighter as pressure and back thrust increase.

 The barrel is ceramic with a special hi tek spun fibre covering that exceeds the strength of steel by 170%.  The stock is of moulded fluorocarbon strands, and weighs only 4 ounces.  The but stock contains an electric / magnetic operated piston system that is controlled by an on board computer system that senses the recoil level, and operates the piston to counter balance the recoil, making a 250 grain bullet at 4000 fps kick like a .22 rimfire.

 The barrel is caped with a muzzle break looking device that does not reduce recoil; it has been computer designed to re direct the muzzle blast into a 40 degree cone of noise that comes back over the shooter, leaving him in a patch of silent air, again no louder then a .22 rimfire (outside of this cone, there is a normal blast so it is not considered a silencer).

 Leupold has developed a scope that has a built in laser rangefinder that is good up to 1200 yards.  Once you punch in the BC and speed of the bullet you are using, the scope automatically adjusts the cross hairs as you aim at your target.  It interfaces with the computer in the gun so that if your aim moves off target as you start your trigger pull, the trigger automatically locks until you are back on target.  The introductory cartridge is a case less round  that fires a .338, 250 grain bullet at 4000 fps.  The entire package weighs 3 3/4 pounds fully loaded.

The entire rifle is coated in a new "microprism" finish that reflects the surroundings the rifle is in, be it desert of deep woods, thereby making the rifle virtually invisible to game (but caution must be used when you set it down not to loose track of its location)

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Re: Searching for "The" elk rifle.... opinions...?
« Reply #153 on: May 07, 2010, 09:05:40 PM »
Yup, that's the one!   Made under water in Brazil by the B.S. Company.   Al Gore invented it.
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« Reply #154 on: May 07, 2010, 11:39:17 PM »
 :D Now I like that  ;D.

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« Reply #155 on: May 09, 2010, 06:10:32 AM »
CH - that Ruger should be a dandy! My Dad shot nothing but 180gr in his, usually Nosler PH's for hunting and 'anything' for recreational shooting. The elk he shot thought it was up to the task...

My “old” (1984) Ruger and Remington .30-06 rifles both have chambers suitable for shooting the same handloads.  The Savage I purchased for my son-in-law as a wedding present had a shorter leade and required shorter COL.  Since I handload for my son-in-law, that means I have two separate sets of dummy loads and have to keep the Ruger/Remington handloads separate from the loads for the Savage. 

Measuring the chamber on the “new” Ruger .30-06 showed it has the shorted leade of all and I’ll have to set the COL back 0.099” from my Ruger/Remington handloads.  That will mean 3 sets of dummy loads, three sets of ammo.

I’m thinking that “new” .30-06 will become an -06 variant.  Lots of good options:

.25-06   (already stock bullets for my  .257 Roberts)
6.5-06   (already stock bullets for my 6.5-06AI heavy barrel)
.280 Rem or AI   (already stock bullets for my 7mm Rem Mag)
.338-06 or AI
.35 Whelen

A .270 win would be a decent choice but would require I start stocking .277” bullets.  No advantage over the 6.5-06.

The .338-06 and 6.5-06 are the top contenders...

By the way, two cow elk fell to my “old” Ruger .30-06 three years ago.  Both went straight down on the shot, 165g North Forks.  Both got back up but went straight down again with an insurance shot that merely hurried the inevitable.

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Re: Searching for "The" elk rifle.... opinions...?
« Reply #156 on: May 25, 2010, 09:46:42 AM »
I've read the posts and the many opinions and there is a lot of good info in them. I use a 300WM and have taken elk with it. I also used a 375H&H on elk and have not been able to tell that one gun killed the animal any more than the other. My last elk was a pass through shot at 509yds with the 300WM. It took two steps, the same as the 375 H&H. Dead is dead. Bullet construction and placement are as key as caliber.

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« Reply #157 on: June 08, 2010, 01:09:03 PM »
...Dead is dead. Bullet construction and placement are as key as caliber.

Dead is dead. Bullet construction and placement are MORE IMPORTANT than caliber.

Fixed that for you...   ;)
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Re: Searching for "The" elk rifle.... opinions...?
« Reply #158 on: June 08, 2010, 04:38:22 PM »
...Dead is dead. Bullet construction and placement are as key as caliber.

Dead is dead. Bullet construction and placement are MORE IMPORTANT than caliber.

Fixed that for you...   ;)

+1 CH!!
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« Reply #159 on: June 18, 2010, 07:02:11 PM »
Well, there is a new rifle out there by BS Custom that has really caught my eye..  It is a bolt action constructed of specially coated carbon fibre and titanium.  There are no locking lugs per say, but 3 wedge shaped protrusions on the bolt that fit into openings in the receiver.  Makes for a slick bolt slide that locks up tighter as pressure and back thrust increase.

 The barrel is ceramic with a special hi tek spun fibre covering that exceeds the strength of steel by 170%.  The stock is of moulded fluorocarbon strands, and weighs only 4 ounces.  The but stock contains an electric / magnetic operated piston system that is controlled by an on board computer system that senses the recoil level, and operates the piston to counter balance the recoil, making a 250 grain bullet at 4000 fps kick like a .22 rimfire.

 The barrel is caped with a muzzle break looking device that does not reduce recoil; it has been computer designed to re direct the muzzle blast into a 40 degree cone of noise that comes back over the shooter, leaving him in a patch of silent air, again no louder then a .22 rimfire (outside of this cone, there is a normal blast so it is not considered a silencer).

 Leupold has developed a scope that has a built in laser rangefinder that is good up to 1200 yards.  Once you punch in the BC and speed of the bullet you are using, the scope automatically adjusts the cross hairs as you aim at your target.  It interfaces with the computer in the gun so that if your aim moves off target as you start your trigger pull, the trigger automatically locks until you are back on target.  The introductory cartridge is a case less round  that fires a .338, 250 grain bullet at 4000 fps.  The entire package weighs 3 3/4 pounds fully loaded.

The entire rifle is coated in a new "microprism" finish that reflects the surroundings the rifle is in, be it desert of deep woods, thereby making the rifle virtually invisible to game (but caution must be used when you set it down not to loose track of its location)

Larry
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« Reply #160 on: June 27, 2010, 05:25:46 PM »
Was out at the range yesterday with Dave,  my long-time (14 years or so) elk hunting buddy, and his "perfect" elk rifle - a Ruger MKII 7mm Rem Mag, vintage mid-90s.

He had been using 160g Trophy Bonded bullets but ran out and they don't offer them as components any more.  I had worked up loads for the Barnes 140g TTSX with IMR 7828SSC and we decided he would work up a similar load.

I built a dummy and a total of 20 cartridges, 2 each at 0.5g increments of powder.  That left a set of 10 for him to shoot and 10 for me.  As it turned out, both of us shot a 3-shot sub-MOA group with the same three consecutive powder charges and we settled on the middle weight, which is the same charge I use in my Ruger M77 7mm Rem Mag.  (My Ruger also shoots that load sub-MOA.)

The 7mm Rem Mag has served us both very well for elk and Dave is set to go again.

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« Reply #161 on: July 01, 2010, 03:56:07 PM »
tdn,

While you don't like rifles with injection molded stocks - I know... they look cheesy, etc. I own a Winchester model 70 stainless (BOSS) in .338 Winchester Magnum and absolutely love the way it puts things down.

While I have yet to kill a bull elk with it (you will have an easier time winning the Powerball Lotto in AZ than getting drawn for early rifle elk- had to do it with archery gear), I have killed a black bear, a zebra, a black wildebeest, and a nyala with it. All have been 1-shot kills. It is one of 2 rifles I promised my self I will never get rid-of. The Win. M-70 stainless rifles are not very heavy and with the BOSS, my rifle kicks less than a 30-06 without a muzzle brake. On the bad side, it is REALLY loud.

Just my $0.02-worth.

 Just drive north to utah. There were "any bull elk" tags left after the drawing for sale over the counter. I have the tag in my hand right now,it says "Any Bull Elk-Any Legal Weapon". They had deer tags too. (got one of those as well)

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« Reply #162 on: July 02, 2010, 10:13:01 AM »
CH - it's been my experience that what you accomplished doesn't happen very often. "Generally" different rifles respond to a different "best" load combination. The stars must have lined up for you special! Kudos, my friend!
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« Reply #163 on: July 16, 2010, 08:21:33 PM »
I've had great success with my .340 Weatherby handloaded with 225gr Barnes TSX on elk - all one shot kills.  Since I own a .300 Weatherby, a .340 Weatherby, and a Weatherby .375 H&H, I wouldn't hesitate taking any of them on an elk hunt so long as I can be confident that the range I was shooting at was within my capabilities with the rifle.  I feel my .270 Weatherby is not enough gun for elk.  My last 5x6 elk was a one-shot kill with the .340 at ~250 yards.

These rifles are likely out of your price range, but elk are difficult to put down, so I'd suggest a .300 or bigger bore with good bullets and a high degree of accuracy.

I do not have a flinch problem, nor do I find the recoil of my guns unpleasant, YMMV.  My handloads in the .340 allow me to shoot 3-4" 6 shot groups at 300 yards with Leupold Vari-X II 2-7x optics - my sight picture and myself are the limiting factors, not the gun.

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« Reply #164 on: August 21, 2010, 01:24:07 PM »
Working on building my next “perfect elk rifle”. 

Picked up a stainless Ruger long action receiver with a magnum (.532”) bolt face at the last Tanner gun show in Denver.  Ordered a NIB Ruger “boat paddle” stock from Numrich (www.gunpartscorp.com) for $85.  This stock will replace the Ruger laminate stock on the stainless Ruger .30-06 I purchased earlier this year and the laminate stock will go on the new action.

Now I have to figure out which cartridge to build the barrel for on the in-progress rifle.    Ever since the .375 Ruger came out I’ve wanted one in .338”.  With a 225g AccuBond (BC .550) at 2850-2900fps, the .375-375 Ruger will match or beat a .375 Ruger pushing a 260g AccuBond (BC .473) at 2900fps when measuring trajectory energy.  The .375 Ruger has a lot of appeal, however, as my largest bolt gun is a .300 Win Mag.

In addition to the more likely .375 Ruger and .338-.375 Ruger, I am also considering necking down the .375 Ruger to .300, 7mm or even 6.5mm due to interesting ballistic potential in the smaller calibers.  Don’t have to decide any time soon as I probably won’t order the barrel until after Christmas.
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« Reply #165 on: August 21, 2010, 02:20:56 PM »
The Remington Boone & Crockett in .30-06 really can only be improved by adding some good bases, rings, and glass.  A sling is handy too.  It's more than enough.
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« Reply #166 on: August 21, 2010, 02:35:23 PM »
 :-\ If all I had was an 06, it would be so boring, I would quit.....the best use I have for my 06's , is to prop the safe open while I get a good caliber... ;D :o 8)

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« Reply #167 on: August 21, 2010, 02:40:13 PM »
It is boring.  If you had one you wouldn't need a safe.  It makes the rest redundant.
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« Reply #168 on: August 21, 2010, 07:18:09 PM »
Now this may shock some of you but my advice, for what it's worth  ::), would be to get one of the Remington 700 Classics in either 35 Whelan or 8x57 Mauser both will do the number on large criters like Elk without knocking the snot out of you  ;)

Other than that it would be a nice 9.3x62mm rifle  ;D

I must admit though of the new fangle Short, short magnums, the 325WSM is THE ONLY ONE I would have any interest in at all  ;)

Any of the above would not onyl be happy in the brush but also on longer shots. Have fun deciding  ;D

 Rather than 8x57 Mauser,I would go 30-06. Dont get me wrong,I love 8mm Mauser,in fact,I own that,and DON'T own anything in 30-06. 8mm Mauser is pretty much like a 30-06 though. Some people say the 06 is a shade more powerful,but I'm not really convinced,but it probably is if loaded right. Since 8mm Mauser is pretty much like a 06 but perhaps slightly less powerful,and the selection of loaded ammo and bullets for 8mm is vastly inferior to 30-06 (its ok,but EVERYTHING is made in .308/30-06) why not just go with that instead.

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« Reply #169 on: August 21, 2010, 08:58:30 PM »
The Remington Boone & Crockett in .30-06 really can only be improved by adding some good bases, rings, and glass.  A sling is handy too.  It's more than enough.

Never mind that Remington doesn’t offer the Boone & Crockett any more, or that it cost close to $1000 when they did (past tense, guess not very many people thought it was “perfect” at that price), or that in my mind the “perfect” .30-06 elk rifle has a synthetic stock rather than a heavy laminate like the Remington B&C.

My first .30-06 is a very functional and accurate Ruger M77 in walnut and blue, purchased used for $350 in late 2006.  It sports a 3-9x Burris FFII scope w/ Ballistic Plex reticle, purchased for around $160.  It accounted for two elk on its first trip afield and no fancy Remington at twice the price could have done any better.  My second .30-06 is a Remington M700 with a plain walnut stock (the model listed on the box is “Special Purpose Wood”).  That Remington cost me $425 purchased new a couple years back.  My most recent .30-06 is a stainless Ruger with a laminate stock that is soon to be exchanged for a Ruger synthetic “boat paddle” stock that is scheduled to be delivered to my house tomorrow.  That one ran me $450 at a gun show a couple months ago.  For my purposes, all three are more ”perfect” elk rifles than the Remington B&C .30-06.

None are as “perfect” as my “boat paddle” stocked Ruger .300 Win Mag, however.  While the .300 can be downloaded to .308 or .30-06 velocities and still maintain very high accuracy, I just haven’t figured a way to upload my .30-06’s to .300 Win Mag velocities – regardless of the accuracy.
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« Reply #170 on: August 22, 2010, 04:19:10 AM »
The Remington Boone & Crockett in .30-06 really can only be improved by adding some good bases, rings, and glass.  A sling is handy too.  It's more than enough.

I think you made a good choice and also helped out B&C (A portion of the proceeds from each sale of these rifles will be donated to the Boone and Crockett Club in support of its mission to promote hunting and conservation ethics, research and education.)  same with the Rocky Mtn Elk foundation "Series" rifles from Remington.


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« Reply #171 on: August 22, 2010, 04:48:18 AM »
And they are still available for about $650.00 to $750.00.  The words "boat paddle" & Ruger go together well.
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« Reply #172 on: August 22, 2010, 11:10:00 AM »
And they are still available for about $650.00 to $750.00.  The words "boat paddle" & Ruger go together well.
I am sure you meant that as derogitory.
Growing up my Dad's buddys used to say that about the Browining Auto 5.
"Shoots ducks, geese, and quail all fall, and in the summer it can shoot skeet and be used as a canoe paddle for fishing."
The canoe paddle spoke to the reliability of the spring operated blow back operation over the gas operated 1100 in the frozen wet duck blind.
I see your comment of the boat paddle as the Ruger being solid, reliable, and well made that it can take other jobs than shooting.  And rugged jobs like moving a boat.
To me your comment makes it seem that the remington is delacate and needs to be babied and may not be up to the rigors of elk or mountain hunting.  If I did not already have a few Remington 700's.  I bring a second rifle when mountain hunting not in case the Winchester, Remington, Sako or Ruger fail but in case the horse rolls over on it, it slides from my hands as I am taking a stand on a Lava ridge and bounces a hundred feet down, or some other unforseen accident like the two horses getting into a kicking argument.  I had this happen and was on one of the horses at the time.  The first of the kicks landed between my knee and my rifle.  2" either way and I would have been back at camp nursing a knee or headed back to get another rifle as I am sure a horse kick would have broken the stock or the scope.
I find your slamming of different brands as childish.  While I think the T shirts of "I would rather Push my (ford or chevy) than ride in the other" as funny i do not know of any one that follows it.
I think you can have an opinion of why you think Remington is the best but I really hate negitive selling.  Tell me why it is better and not slam the other product to try to make yours look better.
On that same note the rigors of Mountain hunting I may want 2 rugers and weaver scopes then one Rem and a leupold spending the same amount.
I seriously think if I asked you to go on a once in a life time hunt sponsored by Ruger and you had to use a Ruger firearm you would turn down your dream hunt rather than use something other than a Remington.

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« Reply #173 on: August 22, 2010, 02:08:30 PM »
 ;)  Well said, MC.......

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« Reply #174 on: August 22, 2010, 02:26:14 PM »
I would.....I can't afford to take time of to use problematc equipment.  I'd consider a Marlin or a H&R though.  I just don't have a month of shooting days to sort a rifle out.  I can have a Remington 700 ready to hunt in 6 shots or less.
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« Reply #175 on: August 22, 2010, 03:43:24 PM »
And they are still available for about $650.00 to $750.00.  The words "boat paddle" & Ruger go together well.

Available or not (and I didn’t see any available on Gunbroker.com for under $725), the Remington B&C won't kill elk any deader than my far less expensive Ruger M77 (blue/walnut), Ruger MKII (stainless/laminate) or Remington M700 "Special Purpose Wood” (blue/walnut) .30-06 rifles.  As far as the “perfect” elk rifle, inexpensive is a good thing in my book as too many things can happen to damage a rifle. 

One of the reasons I chose a synthetic-stocked Remington 870 over a much prettier Browning BPS was it was to be a duck and goose hunter and mud and wet were going to be facts of life for whatever I chose.  The $100 I saved was inconsequential in that case, I just preferred something more indestructible than the walnut stock on the BPS.

Your derision of the Ruger “boat paddle” stock is not uncommon but I find such derision laughable.  Like myself, many people that acquired such a rifle did so with the initial intent of swapping the stock out, only to decide later that the stock is really an excellent stock.  The “boat paddle” is a lightweight yet rigid and practically indestructible stock, impervious to wet or changes in temperature or humidity, inexpensive, and rifles stocked with it – like my .300 Win Mag - are often very accurate (meaning it does not appear to have any discernable negative effect on accuracy).  If you bang the “boat paddle” up, as tends to happen to stocks on elk rifles, who cares?  Certainly not me.  In fact I’ve used mine as a crutch and walking stick while fording streams and bogs, something I would be loathe to do with a walnut stock (yes, even the walnut stocks on my Remington M700’s in BDL and “Special Purpose Wood” models).  The beauty of the Ruger “boat paddle” stock is in its function.

As you said, “Ruger” rifles and “boat paddle” stocks go together well – both are very rugged, very reliable and relatively inexpensive.  They make a great combination.  That is why, when price was not a major concern,  I chose a “boat paddle” stock over all other options for my stainless Ruger MKII in .30-06.
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Re: Searching for "The" elk rifle.... opinions...?
« Reply #176 on: August 22, 2010, 03:46:26 PM »
Both the paddle and the M77 belong in a lake.  I'd rather carry water soaked walnut than spend 60 seconds looking at what has to be the the biggest blunder of Bill Ruger's career.
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Re: Searching for "The" elk rifle.... opinions...?
« Reply #177 on: August 22, 2010, 04:38:54 PM »
Both the paddle and the M77 belong in a lake.  I'd rather carry water soaked walnut than spend 60 seconds looking at what has to be the the biggest blunder of Bill Ruger's career.
Good for you.
I have hunted in terrain like you hunt in Va and NC.  I have hunted in the woods of Up state NY, western Pa,westen and central VA, and Northern Ca and the deserts of Ca and Az.
Nothing compares to the abuse a rife suffers on a hunt for elk.  The rugged mountains of Idaho and Montana, the rocks are jagged, The rocks are slipery, the terrain is very verticle add to that the snow and ice.  Add horses, back packs, pack frames and the changing weather and the rifle takes a beating.  Plastic stocks are the way to go.  Kevlar stocks may be sturdier and laminated are prettier but the added weight of the kevlar rules it out.  The liminated stocks too are heavier than the plastic.  When on horse back, when on foot trying to drag an elk or mule deer quarter back down the mountain or to camp every ounce matters.  Look at the 700 XCR, it has a boat paddle plastic stock.  Are you going to tell me that the 700 XCR is not a good rifle?
Right now most of my rifles wear walnut and when I buy another Elk rifle, having been elk hunting a couple times, I will go for Stainless and plastic stock with a 40mm or less scope.  The 40mm or less fits in most rifle scabords.  A 50mm or larger will have you holding the rifle while trying to ride.  Not something I want to do while ducking under trees.  I still curse at the scars my Super grade wood wears, and smile at memories of the hunt.
Caliber is up for debate, either a 338 Win Mag or a 7mm rem mag.  yes I know a 30-06 or 308 will do it but why would I want to limit my self to 300 yards (know this opens a can of worms but for me 300 yards with either is max- 450 yards with my 338WM).  Remington, Kimber, Ruger and Sako are on the list of rifles I am looking at.  I think each offers special features and each has detractions.  Your comment about having a month to sight in a rifle is bunk.  I have been able to mount a scope and fire three rounds at 100 yards and be on.  From there I usually move to 200 yards on western rifles, eastern rifles stay sighted at 100 yards.  You simply aim at the center of the target, and fire a round, then shoot at the hole you made, adjust second hole to the first.  Fire third at center of target to confirm, you may need to ajdust from there  but you are really close as a start.
You comment of wanting a soaking warped walnut stock rather than a Plastic stock too is silly.  As I said above the XCR and some of the SPS rifles have a plastic stock, are you saying those Remingtons are only good as boat anchors or canoe paddles?
Also think about it this way, if there was not Ruger, kimber, Savage, or CZ and only Remington 700's as a Bolt action rifles, the prices would be double or tripple the cost of what they are now.  So the rifles you hate so much make it possible for Remington to put out a cost comparitive rifle and not rape the rifle shooters.

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Re: Searching for "The" elk rifle.... opinions...?
« Reply #178 on: August 23, 2010, 07:14:49 PM »
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Right now most of my rifles wear walnut and when I buy another Elk rifle, having been elk hunting a couple times, I will go for Stainless and plastic stock with a 40mm or less scope.  The 40mm or less fits in most rifle scabords.  A 50mm or larger will have you holding the rifle while trying to ride.  Not something I want to do while ducking under trees.  I still curse at the scars my Super grade wood wears, and smile at memories of the hunt.
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mcwoodduck –

You didn’t mention barrel length.  Not being  a horse person (I’ve ridden enough to know I prefer broken down old nags), I suspect you would want to keep the barrel fairly short (no more than 24”) as well?  As far as the “perfect” elk rifle, I pretty much agree with your other requirements.  I think I’d summarize it this way:

Relatively light weight rifle and scope combination for given cartridge (read “just enough weight to keep recoil manageable”)
42mm or smaller variable scope with 9x to 14x maximum and drop compensating reticle (hash marks or dots, I don’t care)
Synthetic stock – rigid, without “hollow” sound
Stainless action and barrel
Stretchy non-slip sling
22-24” barrel
3-1/2 pound, well tuned trigger (minimal overtravel, creep, etc.)
Accurate
Relatively inexpensive

The cartridge is subject to discussion, but my stainless MKII Ruger .30-06 will pretty much fit that description once I switch out the laminated stock with the “boat paddle” that arrived today.
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Re: Searching for "The" elk rifle.... opinions...?
« Reply #179 on: August 23, 2010, 07:20:51 PM »
Both the paddle and the M77 belong in a lake.  I'd rather carry water soaked walnut than spend 60 seconds looking at what has to be the the biggest blunder of Bill Ruger's career.

Your opinion and your choice.  Lots of knowledgable shooters think and chose very differently.

Frankly, your statment that you would "rather carry water soaked walnut than spend 60 seconds" looking at a Ruger "boat paddle" stock pretty much tells everyone how insincere and unobjective you are - as if there was any doubt.  If Remington had introduced the "boat paddle" stock you would be singing its praises.
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