Author Topic: Couple of lovely blown primers (Read 1214 times)

rickt300 · « **on:** December 26, 2009, 05:45:34 PM »

I used the wrong powder in a 270. AA2520 instead of H 414 and it gave me 2 heavily blown primers. The action is a Savage 110 and just a little brass flowed under the extractor and just a puff of gas escaped out the relief holes on the side of the reciever. The first case extracted normally and I didn't notice anything unusual except the bullet hit 4 inches higher than it should have. The second round is the one I noticed the puff of smoke and this one didn't extract, it had to be tapped out with a cleaning rod. I then inspected the first case to find it had happened twice. I cleaned the rifle, pulled the bullets and replaced the powder with H414 and continued shooting. No apparent damage to the action or barrel. The primer actually stayed in the first case but I can't say why as there was at least .030 clearance around most of it. The second primer fell into the magazine and had to be fished out. This is a grade A example of don't store powder in anything other than it's original container.

skarke · « **Reply #1 on:** December 26, 2009, 08:11:01 PM »

Amen. Did it cut (erode) your bolt face?

Dill45 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 26, 2009, 08:17:31 PM »

Count your blessings on that one. Lucky nothing happened to you, let alone the gun!

john keyes · « **Reply #3 on:** December 26, 2009, 09:07:51 PM »

not sure but IIRC a couple 45/70's have met their doom by substituting Accurate #7 for RL #7

Graybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:49:02 AM »

WHY, oh why in the world would you have put one ball powder in the container for another?

cwlongshot · « **Reply #5 on:** December 27, 2009, 03:23:46 AM »

Thank you for posting and "owning" up to an honest, yet completely avoidable mistake!! Kudos brother!!!

There are MANY new reloaders that come here for information, yet never post up, this is a good one to read.

Like you said, NEVER store powder in anything but its origional container!! Also, NEVER have more then one powder out on the loading bench at any one time!! THEN, empty powder all hoppers before returning the can/bottle to the shelf/powder cabinet.

I don't like distractions when I'm loading, I will turn on a radio, but its very lo and only there to break the silence. I simply prefer a bit of noise, complete silence is distraction for me as my focus moves to listen for things around me.

CW

Graybeard · « **Reply #6 on:** December 27, 2009, 03:43:15 AM »

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I simply prefer a bit of noise, complete silence is distraction for me as my focus moves to listen for things around me.

I don't have to worry about that. My ears have built in noise that's with me 24-7-365 and not even ear plugs will make it go away.

rickt300 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 27, 2009, 04:34:26 AM »

The powder was bought in what look like 1 gallon bleach bottles (white plastic). I bought 4 at $45. a piece and it was all supposed to be H414. When I emptied one bottle and opened the next I didn't look at the tiny 3/4th of an inch tall by 1 inch long label. This label has all sorts of information on it and it is how I found out it was AA 2520. Now I have plenty of use for AA2520 and I can add that I have the perfect primer blowing recipe if I need it.

Graybeard · « **Reply #8 on:** December 27, 2009, 10:18:23 AM »

You are a braver man than me (I could think of yet another word but won't use it) to buy powder not in the original container. No matter it's price I would NEVER do that.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 27, 2009, 11:23:40 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on December 27, 2009, 10:18:23 AM

You are a braver man than me (I could think of yet another word but won't use it) to buy powder not in the original container. No matter it's price I would NEVER do that.

There are a couple of places that buy in bulk and split the powder up that way , otherwise the original container would be a cardboard 55 gal drum .

Not sure I'd need that much of one powder !

They do need to work on their labeling system though .

stimpy

rickt300 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 27, 2009, 01:33:11 PM »

I have bought a lot of powder in the 8 pound jugs just like this, all of it has been H414 and I never had a problem before. I should have taken the time to read the labels when I bought the powder, my fault. The AA2520 jug now has AA2520 on it in big red permanent marker in three places and there will be no return problem. I shot the rifle some more and it is just too accurate for a light 270. I am glad it didn't happen in one of my M98 mausers.

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #11 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:01:45 PM »

I live with tinitis, but a bolt in the face, would be worse.

Whenever I fill the powder drop I put a small post'em on it with the contents. I buy powder in bulk and decant into the large funnel top cans. The cans are all relabeled, Clearly and permanently !

Stationary stores have nice blank labels any size, sharpies come in various colors.

You can always spot red/green/blue dot, a safety feature.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #12 on:** December 27, 2009, 02:21:59 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on December 27, 2009, 03:43:15 AM

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I simply prefer a bit of noise, complete silence is distraction for me as my focus moves to listen for things around me.

I don't have to worry about that. My ears have built in noise that's with me 24-7-365 and not even ear plugs will make it go away.

I know the feeling Bill, ear plugs and/or muffs only make my ringing more noticeable, too may years of bad ear protection habits is my guess for my problem!

mauser98us · « **Reply #13 on:** December 27, 2009, 04:25:21 PM »

not to be off subject,but Bill mentioned that constant noise. I have it too,and it seems even tho I have lost some of my hearing,I'm less tolerant with the loud noises than I was when I had full hearing. Wonder why that is. I go to the range,and if I don't wear both plugs and muffs I cringe at the sound of gunfire.

mountainview · « **Reply #14 on:** December 28, 2009, 06:04:15 AM »

Mauser98us, the answer to your question is "recruitment", basically results from the little nerves in your ear readjusting and is another little benefit of tinnitus.

mauser98us · « **Reply #15 on:** December 28, 2009, 09:24:46 AM »

Wonderful!

john keyes · « **Reply #16 on:** December 28, 2009, 10:13:43 AM »

I wish those damn crickets would settle down so I can hear you guys

gypsyman · « **Reply #17 on:** December 28, 2009, 07:01:36 PM »

Sounds like Pats Reloading. They buy bulk powder and put it up in white plastic 1 gal. containers. Good price's, just keep the stuff straight, and you'll be ok. As far as the ringing in the ears, mine is from high blood pressure. When it's is a normal range, I'm fine. When it goes up, the ringing starts. Just gave blood last week. When the guy checked my pressure, he said it was high. I told him to keep an eye on the bag, and I'll be outta here in no time. gypsyman

454PB · « **Reply #18 on:** December 29, 2009, 10:33:48 AM »

I relabel powder containers in a way that cannot be missed. I buy in bulk, and sometimes split the purchase with my son. I always give him the original container and keep the relabeled one for myself.

Since he will be the guy sorting through all my "treasures" when I tip over, I had a talk with him about my labeling system so that I'm not leaving bombs around. For instance, my "Ruger only" handloads are very clearly marked.

Every box of ammunition I load, every lot of cast bullets, every lot of home swaged jacketed bullets, and every container of primers and powder have a dated identification card/load recipe/alloy mix included or purchase date written on the container. I've seen too many situations where the owner dies and everything has to be destroyed for lack of information.

Careful labeling needs to extend beyond powder containers.

JoeG52 · « **Reply #19 on:** December 29, 2009, 11:45:57 AM »

Quote from: 454PB on December 29, 2009, 10:33:48 AM

I relabel powder containers in a way that cannot be missed. I buy in bulk, and sometimes split the purchase with my son. I always give him the original container and keep the relabeled one for myself.

Since he will be the guy sorting through all my "treasures" when I tip over, I had a talk with him about my labeling system so that I'm not leaving bombs around. For instance, my "Ruger only" handloads are very clearly marked.

Every box of ammunition I load, every lot of cast bullets, every lot of home swaged jacketed bullets, and every container of primers and powder have a dated identification card/load recipe/alloy mix included or purchase date written on the container. I've seen too many situations where the owner dies and everything has to be destroyed for lack of information.

Careful labeling needs to extend beyond powder containers.

While I am not planning on checking out very soon, I do the same thing. Everything has a good label on it.

P.A. Myers · « **Reply #20 on:** December 30, 2009, 01:31:51 PM »

When I was young and poor, I used Unique for everything. No confusion.

fr3db3ar · « **Reply #21 on:** December 30, 2009, 02:21:48 PM »

I don't store my H335 in the original bottle because I can't hand load out of that after a while. I DO store it in a tupperware that is marked with the powder # on the lid......and since I only reload one round with one powder....it's hard to muck it up

. Well, that's not exactly true....I do have some H38 for 357 but that's still in the original bottle since I don't have that revolver any more.

schutzen · « **Reply #22 on:** December 31, 2009, 12:47:03 PM »

I have purchased powder in bulk containers and repackaged it for storage. I use 1 lb powder containers I have previously emptied. The trick is to re-label them VERY OBVIOUSLY. I prefer to use plastic bottles and totally remove the original label. I then print up new labels using appropriately sized Avery Shipping labels. Include on the label the Manufacturers name, Powder Name, LOT Number and all other pertinent data on the original container. After affixing the labels to the containers, I tape over them with clear sealing tape to insure the information remains legible. If any label becomes illegible, the contents of the container has become fertilizer. My last foray (2/15/09) into this was a 20 lb keg of 4831 purchased unopened at the auction of a deceased gunsmith’s shop for $50. By the time I repackaged/relabeled it, it cost me $3.00 per pound.

Done safely and carefully, it is a good way to make your reloading dollar go further.

Check out this guy, he does it for a living. http://www.gibrass.com/

yukondog · « **Reply #23 on:** January 01, 2010, 04:38:36 PM »

As much as I haye to admit it I'v done the very same thing, broke my own rule of never have more than one powder on the bench at one time.I had imr 4064 and I think 4227 both have blue labels grabed 4227 instead of 4064 I had to hammer the bolt open so hard it broke the bolt handel and etched the bolt face pretty good,needles to say it scared the HE** out of me.I'm one of the lucky ones I still have all my fingers and face!