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Tricare for life under attack
« on: December 29, 2009, 04:28:05 PM »
 all military personnel, active duty and retired, need to get on the phone to your reps in Washington because the new health care bill guts tricare and this is your EARNED benefit and it is up to YOU to make the phone calls to make sure this is taken out in committee.
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« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 04:45:08 PM »
figures... had to fight to get it and now ahve to fight to keep it...
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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 05:03:18 PM »
SOP for the liberal scum who spit on the soldiers returning from war.
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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2009, 05:04:20 PM »
I've already called my two Senators and Lone Congressman.  I told them to save it, but also make it where the civilian doctors will accept it again.

Don't know how it is down where you are, but here in Alaska the docotrs, clinics, and the Hospital here in Fairbanks will not accept Tricare.  Luckily my wife is Civil Service and she has a good health care program.   
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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 03:03:57 AM »
Tri-Care for Life is really Medi-Care with no co-pay.  We pay for Medi-Care part B and Tri-Care picks up the co-pay.  The white house says that TFL will not be affected by their healthcare plan.  


http://www.tricare.mil/mybenefit/ProfileFilter.do;jsessionid=L7bhkGsxzwqth3bF9bJJSb6vhD8kh6FMV7KFhdX2PrYH6nQJTqy4!1168453789?&puri=%2Fhome%2Foverview%2FPlans%2FLearnAboutPlansAndCosts%2FTRICAREForLife


BTW:  Neither political party gives two hoots in hades for veterans.  When the Republicans in congress ran the country they opposed concurrent receipt of retired pay and VA disability payments because the Bush neo-con artists in DOD did not want it.  It took a revolt by a few Republicans in the House Veteran's Affairs Committee to change that.  So much for Bush's promise to "take care of veterans."

Obama has also promised to "take care of veterans" but he has done nothing:  Just like Wya Bush.  

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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 06:23:54 AM »
TM7--just for the record, have you ever served in the military?  If not, why not??

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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2009, 07:27:13 AM »
TM-7:  It was part of our contract with the Federal Government.  If we spent 20 years in service to the nation, in a poor paying job, we would get a small retirement check, and free health care for life.  Not much different than what some Trade Unions had at the time.  We did not stay for the retirement check, it was that health care that we were looking at and serving for.  That had been the practice since before WWII. 

Then in the early 90s (93 or 94)  Hillery Clinton and Al Gore decided to revamp the military Health Care program.  We were given the Boot and told to go downtown and find civilian doctors and the government would pay for it.  Then they cut back on the number of Doctors in the military, and closed some of the bigger Military Hospitals.  They called it Tricare.

Now the Doctors in Fairbanks refuse to take  Tricare, because Tricare takes so long to pay, or just flat refuses to pay.  So the Government has failed to stand up to it's obligations to Military Retirees and all Vets.

For you people that has never served here is a good definition of a Vet, that maybe you can understand: 
A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve -- is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.' That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today who no longer understand that fact.      Roggie L Hunter, SMSgt/USAF/Ret

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What Is A Veteran?
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2009, 07:51:26 AM »
TM7--just for the record, have you ever served in the military?  If not, why not??

I have. I was discharged on 6 June 76 as an O3, 3 Charlie, 11 Bravo Company Commander [Infantry Officer]. I tend to agree with TM7. In 2008, the US government spent $880 billion on military including the DoD budget, special appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan, money to the DoE for maintaining nukes, The Corps of Engineers, and supporting the VA. [All of these are separate line items in the federal budget.] The entire world, including the US, only spent $1.46 trillion so we spent well over half of the entire world's military spending. And, that includes Russia and China who have their own very serious problems with terrorists. For that money, we got an endless war in Iraq and Afghanistan and we haven't captured or killed Osama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahiri, etc. and we have lost far too many of this country's best young people. I understand that Tricare is a contract right and we are obligated to continue it.  My question is, when are we going to get some real value for all those dollars we spend?

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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2009, 08:16:23 AM »
TM7--just for the record, have you ever served in the military?  If not, why not??

I have. I was discharged on 6 June 76 as an O3, 3 Charlie, 11 Bravo Company Commander [Infantry Officer]. I tend to agree with TM7. In 2008, the US government spent $880 billion on military including the DoD budget, special appropriations for Iraq and Afghanistan, money to the DoE for maintaining nukes, The Corps of Engineers, and supporting the VA. [All of these are separate line items in the federal budget.] The entire world, including the US, only spent $1.46 trillion so we spent well over half of the entire world's military spending. And, that includes Russia and China who have their own very serious problems with terrorists. For that money, we got an endless war in Iraq and Afghanistan and we haven't captured or killed Osama bin Laden, Ayman al Zawahiri, etc. and we have lost far too many of this country's best young people. I understand that Tricare is a contract right and we are obligated to continue it.  My question is, when are we going to get some real value for all those dollars we spend?

REAL VALUE
how about you still getting to walk down the street anytime you want to.
how about TM7 being able to run his mouth about how bad this country is.
how about useing this fourm. How about being able to say you were in the
Military and not get shot for it. Their is NO WAY we can every repay our military
for what it does every day for less pay than an illegal yard worker. >:( :( :-[
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2009, 10:08:27 AM »
TM7, I have worked in both worlds, military and civilian. 

As a soldier, my employer, the US Government, promised to pay me XX dollars and my health care now.  If I served for a minimum of 20 years, they promised to pay me a percentage of my salary and most of my healthcare for the rest of my life.  If I chose to serve longer than 20 years, my retirement would increase at 2.5% per year served.

As a civilian, my employer promised to pay me XXX dollars and a portion of my health care now.  If I worked for a minimum of 20 years, they promised to pay me a percentage of my salary and a portion of my health for the rest of my life.  If I chose to work longer than 20 years, my retirement would increase by 2% per year worked.

What is the difference between the two systems?  My first year as an entry level employee in the utility industry I was paid more than I was paid as an 0-3 infantry company commander in the US Army.  Therefore, the US Government paid more of my health care and contributed .5% more to my retirement fund than my civilian employer.

Each of these systems is a contract between the worker and his/her employer.  Retirement and health insurance in retirement are deferred compensation for years previously worked.  Most employers, the US Government, and most state governments reduce employee's wages to fund these "retirement benefits".

I retired from a major utility and my wife retired from a state system.  In both cases our wages were somewhat less than comparable employment without the good retirement/health care packages.  I will use my wife's employment history as an example because it is very easy to directly correlate with another employer.  My wife was a public health nurse with Bachelor of Science in Nursing (required for her job at that time).  She started work at $12.65 per hour while the nurses at the local hospitals started a $19.00 per hour and the local hospitals only required an Associates of Science in Nursing.  What was the difference?  My wife retired after 30 years with a nice pension and health care for life because the state held back $6.35 per hour of her pay as deferred compensation in the form of retirement.  The nurses at the hospital receive $300-500 per month and no health insurance, but they received an extra $6.35 per hour as they worked.

Now, after we have worked 30-35 years you can not renegotiate the contract because you see it was a good deal for us or because you failed to deposit that $6.35 in an investment account so it would be there to fund our deferred compensation.  That is breaking a contract.  I am sure General Motors would sell you a car in 2010 for XXX dollars if you promised to pay them X dollars per month for 48 months and then be more than willing to for you to tell them in 2013 that the car was only worth XX dollars and since you have already paid in that amount your debt to them is settled.  General Motors would have you in court and rightfully so, you signed a contract to pay X dollars for 48 months if they would provide you a car.  You are obligated to pay for it just as employers, including the US Government, are obligated to pay retirement that was promised in lieu of higher wages.

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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2009, 10:47:11 AM »
TM I hope you don't try your spit on the soldiers hippy crap during your act at the BBQ. I'm sure it won't go over too well.


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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2009, 11:44:12 AM »
This is why I tell everyone don't go in the military.

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2009, 12:20:49 PM »
 Obama would not want to spend any money on someone in the  military! Hell he has millions of low life's in the inter cites that refuse to work that he can spread that wealth to.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2009, 02:00:00 PM »
This is why the government should not be in the business of trying to provide health care for everyone. All it is, is a political football. Every election the politiciams will be using these issues as fighting points while they ignore the real issues facing this country.
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2009, 05:02:06 AM »
TM7--OF course I have worked in the civilian sector for many years. Worked on farms milking cows, slopping pigs, picking 80 acres of corn by hand. Worked in a brick yard for many years. Worked as an aviation electrician, worked as a logistics technician, worked on many AVCALS, AECLS, COSALS and CAVCALS. Worked for the man.....still working as a weapons platform tech...age 70.  Could have voted for the Democrats, and probably would have been able to use the system and not work.  But--someone has to do it.  And, TM7---I earned it all and every VET did the same...so please don't let your disregard for the few benefits that are left in the military stop you from expressing your opinion---after all, I served 33 years supporting your rights to do it...May you have a Happy New year. 

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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2009, 05:12:22 AM »
rex666.....

....so you believe in equal rights except some people are more equal then others, right? well I don't believe in special classes of people for any reason. Furthermore, I would like to think that those serving in the forces served for a reason quite higher than a early retirement, disability, special socialized healthcare, PX priviliges or whatever; and that civilians are the majority back bone of this country...not military garrisons.  Next you're going to tell us that all the mercs now outnumbering regular mil are a 'special class'. (hey cool,,,maybe I can get included on the dole for my 5 years of monkey mindedness).

  I recognize this is a 3rd rail for you guys, but your whole concept and raison d'etre is fundamentally anti-American. You should serve because you wanted to and you weren't forced. I know plenty of vietnam vets criticizing current pay scale and bonus' of the ranks filling in for the NWO-ME wars and they say its bull@!3%*...they're in it for the money!!,,,not to mention pay scales for commissioned officers out paces civilian service.  This country was not founded on a "militia of special privileges" that rank and file civilians must endessly shoulder to front a security racket.  In my business' I've hired vets and retired mil,,,and you know what,,,they couldn't keep up the endless grind and drive required in the private sector...like showing up every day ready for work.

You think contracts are sacred only for you..?  Got news for you...nothing is sacred when it comes to money. I'd say you should be happy they're trying to include you in some new HC scheme lest you be left out in the cold. FURTHERMORE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS, NOR ANYBODY ELSE, IF THERE WAS NATIONAL HEALTHCARE for everybody--not just yourselves... ::). People are figuring this stuff out all over....not just me.


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GUESS WHAT TM7? i was never in the military, fell in the right/wrong age bracket. could some of this Their only in it for the Money be coming from
still pissed off draftes. Y ou can say what you want, we have people defending
your right to degrade them and tell them they should do it for less.
and they deserve WAY more than they are getting, they are not drafted,
maybe if they all went home after one stretch. you could figure a way to defend this country. From the first post i ever read of yours about 3-4 years ago i wondered why you hate this country and 1/2 the people in it so much
yet stay here, why not go to a country you can love.
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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2009, 05:30:38 AM »
What TM cannot figure out from his hiding place in his mothers basement is that soldiers are the ones who went and faced a real threat and have seen the real world. In his world of boogy men,bigfoot and secret conspiracies actually doing something and making a difference is not real.

Doing drugs and spitting on returning soldiers is a proud acomplishment of the leftys. This attack on our vets is just another way the left is showing its hatred of our American heros.

So TM did you get your 4000 watt death ray that runs on AA batteries assembled yet? That should protect you from boogy men.
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2009, 07:21:53 AM »
TM where in your fantacy world do you see Tricare was "given"? It was EARNED do you comprehend that concept?

TM have a safe and happy New Year, and be careful with that 4000 watt death ray. 

BTW how many AA batteries does that baby take? Do you use Energisers or Duracell? Keep cracking me up for the New Year my hillarious friend.
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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2009, 10:19:10 AM »
TM7, I think you need to re-study your history.

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Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

The Third Amendment does not address compensation of governmental employees or military members; it addresses the issue of the government commandeering private property to use as military/government property.  You could possibly stretch this to mean using tax dollars to fund military compensation/pensions, however that is addressed in the tax laws.  Historical thought on this issue was it was included to prevent the government from dropping off a squad of soldiers at your door step and ordering you to feed / house them at your expense.  On the 1700’s frontier this could literally be a death sentence for a family if all their food stuffs were consumed by forced billeting of soldiers in their home.

If our government is to provide for the common safety of the people by maintaining a standing military force, then we as a people have to fund this through our government.  Military pensions and health care are not an entitlement ; they are deferred compensation for services provided over an extended period of time.  Military pay is lower than civilian pay for jobs with comparable responsibility.  If you care to end the military retirement system, that is fine.  But, we will have to increase military pay scales to keep quality servicemen and women in the forces. 

The problems with the military pension liabilities are that they occur after the need for the service and the benefits are received by a relatively few individuals.  When politicians are searching for monies to fund "popular" social programs (read entitlement/vote buying programs), it is very easy to spout out the mantra of overly generous military retirement and health care programs are killing the budget.  The retired military community is not an extremely large voting block and therefore is an easy target.  The truth is our "wise" politicians contracted an obligation to our career military and failed to fund it as a pay-as-you accrue system.  Now, to cover their ineptitude and irresponsibility, they want to “break without cause” the contract between the US Government and the retired military.

If you, like I, are upset about “entitlement programs”; let’s work to reign in welfare, food stamps, social security disability and a host of other entitlement programs.  Welfare is needed, but it should be held to levels that encourage people to look for work to get off welfare and not try to stay on welfare because, “I get just as much from Welfare as I would if I worked.”  Food Stamps are welfare for Kroger, Piggly Wiggly, and Hy-Vee; not for the poor.  Return to the commodity system.  Yes, it will cost just as much as our current food stamp system, but the government price supports will benefit the agricultural community which benefits all of us by stabilizing the cost of food stuffs.  And yes, the government run warehouses will require government employees to run and to distribute the food to the needed.  But, those jobs (or the job someone left to take this job) will be filled by individuals who were once on welfare.  As a taxpayer, I would prefer to use my tax dollars to distribute food to the poor rather than to enrich the major grocery chains.  An added benefit is a probable reduction of fraud.  It is very easy to trade or sell food stamps, but it is much harder to trade or sell commodity food stuffs.  Social Security Disability is a nightmare!  You’re a drug addict, you’re disabled we’ll give you a check.  You’re too fat, your disabled we’ll give you a check.  You’re stupid, you’re disabled we’ll give you a check.  Now before I get roasted alive, yes there are people who need and deserve SS Disability; but the system is grossly abused and our politicians support that abuse by passing inane laws to promote the abuse of the system.  Our next step in this great debacle is “National Health Care Reform”.  I wonder how badly they can goof that up. There will be no health care reform without tort reform and tort reform is not even being looked at.  Hopefully it won’t cost too much more than the 1.2 Trillion dollars they are planning to tax our grandchildren.

One thing we could do to reduce our federal government pension obligations is to immediately terminate all legislative pensions.  Currently our Congressmen are paid at the level of a Major General in the Armed Forces.  To draw a full pension with full, no deductable health care they have to serve – no less than one partial term!!  Talk about an entitlement program, 2-6 years as a Congressman and you get a pension for life.

Sorry about the rant, but my fuse got lit.

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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2009, 11:05:02 AM »
We worked for and even laid our lives on the line to get this.  It does not GIVE us anything, we earned it.  We paid for it with 20 years of our lives, and a lot of blood, sweat, and tears.  A lot of things you cry babies can't understand.  Many of us have disabilities directly related to our military service, yet we do not live in an area where there is a VA hospital.  Therefore we have to go see local doctors, at local clinics.  Tricare is the system we use.  Yet some of you feel we don't deserve this privilege.  I have a hard time understanding you.  Your jealous, just because we earned something you did not.
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2009, 04:05:33 PM »
SOP for the liberal scum who spit on the soldiers returning from war.

I can tell you right now - the left wanted the support of the GI's during the Vietnam war, there was an organization called VVAW Vietnam Vets Against the War.  GI's were more likely to get 'free love' and sex from hippie and leftist girls than to be spit on.   
That's a myth, the 'spit on' stories.  Not that it couldn't have happened, but that would have been very unusual (and suicidal).
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2009, 04:40:11 PM »
Rio, yeah sure right whatever. Have another hit.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2009, 05:42:10 PM »
Wait a minute...US mil forces fight for freedom, liberty, the American way, and the free capitalistic economy as per highest ideals...then expect to keep a totally socialistic taxpayer supported HC system and payment for their service to country forever. And then most of these vets shun the private sector electing to remain in some government employment scheme, or disability. I'm missing something here...something not adding up right....I think the taxpayer and the private sector should have a few things to say about their indenture to this stuff,,,actually another form of welfare.

...TM7

 Yes TM7 you are missing something like going out every day and putting your life on the line for your country and seeing some of your buddies shot and killed and you were closer to them than your brother. Keep your mouth shut until you know what you are talking about!
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2009, 05:53:41 PM »
rio grande:  Don't know where you were in 1968,69,70,and 71.  I was a recruiter in San Raphael, California.  Just north of San Francisco.  I got spit on, I had things thrown at me.  Rocks thrown at my Official Car.  Threats called in and yelled on the street.

Now I will admit the girls were wild and loose, in that area.  I attended lots of wild parties at the University there in San Raphael, Stinson Beach, and Bodega Bay.

I heard a scuffle coming from the office next door one morning just after I got to work.  I got up to go see what was going on in the Army Recruiters office.  When I got to the hall I saw a man running out the front door.  I turned and rushed to the Army office.  There lay the recruiter, dead.  He had been knifed. 

My girl friend  had a bomb planted in a cigarette, one night in our kitchen.  Next morning she came into the kitchen, took a cigarette out of her pack lying in the kitchen window.  Lite it, took one puff and put it in an ash tray.  Came into the dinning room and was giving me a good morning kiss, when it exploded.  EOD said it would have most likely killed her if it had been in her mouth when it exploded.

Three weeks later I went outside one morning to go to work.  I rode a motorcycle back then.  As I got onto the bike I noticed a wire hanging down under the seat.  That wire did not belong there, I had taken the seat off too many times, and knew it was not normal.  I got down and looked up under the seat and saw the wire ran into what looked like dynamite.  I called Security Police, and the bomb squad.  It was dynamite, and the wire from the blasting cap went to the coil.  One kick and I would have been history.

I quite recruiting and two months later I was in Alaska.
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A 'Veteran' -- whether active duty, discharged, retired, or reserve -- is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America,' for an amount of 'up to, and including his life.' That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country today who no longer understand that fact.

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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2009, 06:19:05 PM »
riogrande,

I hate to be rude, but I have to call BS.  I was spit on, had my uniform ripped, and heard girls curse at me worse than any sailor I ever met.  As for responding in kind, we were ordered not to respond with force.  If you did, you needed to get away clean or be able to prove your life was threatened. 

Times were different then, but I still wonder how the so called "enlighted people" can justify blaming low ranking enlisted men/ officers for "political policies" set by thier elected leaders. 

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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2010, 12:56:00 AM »
riogrande,

I hate to be rude, but I have to call BS.  I was spit on, had my uniform ripped, and heard girls curse at me worse than any sailor I ever met.  As for responding in kind, we were ordered not to respond with force.  If you did, you needed to get away clean or be able to prove your life was threatened.  

Times were different then, but I still wonder how the so called "enlighted people" can justify blaming low ranking enlisted men/ officers for "political policies" set by thier elected leaders.  

No offense taken schutzen, and I didn't say it could never have happened, emotions ran pretty high then.
Just relating my experience.  I can guarantee you all however, that any 'enlightened' leftist did NOT consider the average GI an enemy, just regular drafted working guys worthy of sympathy.  No red I knew would EVER blame an enlisted man for the governments policies. You can take that to the bank.
The left worked hard at recruiting them into their cause.  
As far as 'not to respond with force'....  of course we all know that GI's NEVER get into any brawls or break ANY rules when they are off duty. :)   And remember, a lot of this 'spitting' business was supposed to be directed at 'returning' GI's, whose hands were not tied, to say the least.

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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2010, 01:06:42 AM »
all military personnel, active duty and retired, need to get on the phone to your reps in Washington because the new health care bill guts tricare and this is your EARNED benefit and it is up to YOU to make the phone calls to make sure this is taken out in committee.

Torpedoman,
I believe you - you earned it, it was a contract.
Just like social 'security'.
You support that for me, I'll support health care for you.
I'm afraid though the way things are going, we may both be left out in the cold.
But let's not fight over the crumbs.

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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2010, 01:19:57 AM »
rio grande:  Don't know where you were in 1968,69,70,and 71.  I was a recruiter in San Raphael, California.  Just north of San Francisco.  I got spit on, I had things thrown at me.  Rocks thrown at my Official Car.  Threats called in and yelled on the street.

Now I will admit the girls were wild and loose, in that area.  I attended lots of wild parties at the University there in San Raphael, Stinson Beach, and Bodega Bay.

I heard a scuffle coming from the office next door one morning just after I got to work.  I got up to go see what was going on in the Army Recruiters office.  When I got to the hall I saw a man running out the front door.  I turned and rushed to the Army office.  There lay the recruiter, dead.  He had been knifed.  

My girl friend  had a bomb planted in a cigarette, one night in our kitchen.  Next morning she came into the kitchen, took a cigarette out of her pack lying in the kitchen window.  Lite it, took one puff and put it in an ash tray.  Came into the dinning room and was giving me a good morning kiss, when it exploded.  EOD said it would have most likely killed her if it had been in her mouth when it exploded.

Three weeks later I went outside one morning to go to work.  I rode a motorcycle back then.  As I got onto the bike I noticed a wire hanging down under the seat.  That wire did not belong there, I had taken the seat off too many times, and knew it was not normal.  I got down and looked up under the seat and saw the wire ran into what looked like dynamite.  I called Security Police, and the bomb squad.  It was dynamite, and the wire from the blasting cap went to the coil.  One kick and I would have been history.

I quite recruiting and two months later I was in Alaska.

The violence went both ways.  Anti-war people were shot and killed, beaten and maimed, spied on and jailed on trumped-up charges.
And all this suffering on account of a useless war which solved nothing.
I'd like to think we could avoid making the same mistakes over again, but judging from some comments I read here, people refuse to learn from history.

Violence just brings more violence, killing more killing.


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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2010, 01:43:08 AM »
As usual tm7 will attack ayone or any thing that has to do any thing he is against, and that is anything
I really feel sorry for you tm, must be tough trying to be an island. If i am trying to find someone to crap on, i believe i have found
the right someone.
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Re: Tricare for life under attack
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2010, 02:34:22 AM »
Since this is a new year---maybe one of TM7s resolutions was that he will find something positive to say about America, its people, its military and the freedoms he enjoys..good luck TM7, and may you find happiness for you and yours in whatever endeavor you choose......And in retrospect, the question was not about the Tricare, but have you ever served in the military and if you have not, why not??  Just a question that could have been answered by  a short yes or no----with out the Marxs rant...