Author Topic: Dissappointed with New HR!!! (Read 2405 times)

JAM66 · « **on:** December 31, 2009, 11:59:49 AM »

I went to Gander Mt. today and bought the Ultralight Slug Hunter 12 ga, 24" Barrel, scope rail. When I was at the store I purchased a new one fresh in the box. When I got it home, I took over to the window and I immediately was dissapointed. The scope rail(brazed on?) was at an obvious angle to the barrel, I held a 2 foot straight edge(level) along the edge of the rail and it was 1/4" away from the barrel at the muzzle. Closer inspection of the sope rail revealed that there was a apace at the bak left radius of the rail and the right side was flush. How could this pass quality control?

cwlongshot · « **Reply #1 on:** December 31, 2009, 12:07:24 PM »

A brazed on base is a new one to me. Factory H&R bases are made of an aluminium alloy and will not braze or weld to a steel barrel.... They drill and tap the barrels for three screws for the base.

Is it possible that someone locktited the base to the barrel (Also NOT a reg H&R practice) and improperly attached the screws?

CW

JAM66 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 31, 2009, 01:48:01 PM »

There are no set screw holes at all in the scope rail, how else could it be attached?

PS: I should of used the spell check on that first post....

Markus · « **Reply #3 on:** December 31, 2009, 02:03:20 PM »

This is a new one for me as well. Will Gander take it back or give you another?

giturgun · « **Reply #4 on:** December 31, 2009, 02:18:57 PM »

How about a picture , would like to see it . I 2 ton epoxied a weaver mount on an old 54 side hammer and use a quick point on it . Shoots good enough to kill deer with.

wreckhog · « **Reply #5 on:** December 31, 2009, 02:19:56 PM »

I recently bought a 12 gauge slug barrel that came with a 44/12 SB1 combe, same as the ULSH barrel I believe, scope base is somehow brazed. Screwed onto the 20s, brazed onto the 12s?

JAM66 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 31, 2009, 03:21:09 PM »

Gander Mt. told me to bring it back and have their gunsmith look at. They said its considered a used gun since I took possesion , so it would have to take some manuevering to exchange it. Great!!, I won't be shooting this one for a while. Still wonder how this got past Quality Control. If its epoxied , how strong is that bond?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #7 on:** December 31, 2009, 05:57:13 PM »

Properly prepped and applied, epoxy can be very strong, SuperWeld for example has a shear strength of 2700psi.

Tim

trotterlg · « **Reply #8 on:** December 31, 2009, 06:09:02 PM »

It will be silvered on, just like the underlug of the earlier Model 88 shotguns. This sounds a lot like the mis positioning of the 45 Carbine barrel I just fixed. It was not off to the side it wasn't straight, it was pointed off to the left, the front screw hole was in the proper place, but the rear and middle screw holes were offset to the right but in perfect alignment with each other. Guess they have a learning curve to get over. Larry

Spanky · « **Reply #9 on:** December 31, 2009, 06:12:52 PM »

Sounds like Stevie Wonder is doing the drilling and tapping on some of these barrels.

Spanky

JAM66 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 01, 2010, 05:46:36 AM »

Here are some pics. I dont know if it shows it but the picture with the level on the right shows the end of the level out a 1/4"

c1skout · « **Reply #11 on:** January 02, 2010, 03:25:07 AM »

Looks straight to me... but I'm cross-eyed

. I'd make some noise with the manager at the store. mabye they'll swap it out for a different one. You'll use up all your windage adjustment just getting on paper like that.

Markus · « **Reply #12 on:** January 02, 2010, 03:55:40 AM »

That's ridiculous! Gander should make that right. Especially if it is obviously an unused gun. If they won't help you out I'm sure H&R customer service will but it will take longer that way.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #13 on:** January 02, 2010, 07:05:37 AM »

Quote from: c1skout link=topic=194064.msg 1098984292#msg 1098984292 date=1262442307

Looks straight to me... but I'm cross-eyed . I'd make some noise with the manager at the store. maybe they'll swap it out for a different one. You'll use up all your windage adjustment just getting on paper like that.

You cannot swap the gun as its got paperwork that is attached to you, but the barrel if it fits would be a good option. That's what I would do for you if you came into our store. Then return yours with the other receiver as defective to manufacturer. Customer first, I would deal with what ever I had to do with the return with H&R/Remington.

CW

Rustyinfla · « **Reply #14 on:** January 02, 2010, 07:38:52 AM »

I don't think they could just swap barrels and make everything right either. Don't barrels have SN scribed on the lug? They could swap guns to make it right, it would just require some paperwork be done. Next time maybe they'll have their gunsmith check things a little more closely.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #15 on:** January 02, 2010, 08:16:12 AM »

Quote from: Rustyinfla link=topic=194064.msg 1098984500#msg 1098984500 date=1262457532

I don't think they could just swap barrels and make everything right either. Don't barrels have SN scribed on the lug? They could swap guns to make it right, it would just require some paperwork be done. Next time maybe they'll have their gunsmith check things a little more closely.

Swapping the entire gun is NOT an option at all, In 99% of the situations it's simply not possible. The gun is considered used, the only other option is for the dealer to assume all fees and return it to the manufacturer for the customer. BUT the customer is left with no money AND no product. NOT the best situation. This is why I would check fit of a different barrel and with luck I would be able to have a satisfied customer, with a shoot able firearm he paid good money for.

Yes the last couple digits are on the lug, but as I mentioned that is something I (as the selling dealer) would work out with whom ever I needed to. All in an effort to make good for my customer. That is what we have distributors reps in the shop. I buy from them, they take care of me, I take care of my customers. I am a FIRM believer in the customer is always rite.

This is only what I would do. Has no bearing on what this dealer will or will not do for the OP.

CW

Ronbo1 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 02, 2010, 12:47:56 PM »

So if I buy a new ULSH 20GA, the scope mount is welded and not screwed on?

Thunder · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2010, 06:40:48 AM »

I went thru the barrel program to build myself an ULSH 12 and my first barrel was the same way as yours. They replaced that barrel with another. I fired my new project gun for the first time this week end and it has the misfire issue, the non eject issue and still a slight enough rail alignment issue that my scope is maxed out to the right and the slug hits a foot left of the bulls eye at 100 yards. I have lost some of my respect for the new ownership and quality at this point. I will perform the repair myself to make sure it is correct.

billd · « **Reply #18 on:** January 04, 2010, 09:55:18 AM »

burris z rings makes scope rings for your problems . i havent used them . you can look them up on internet or maybe some members already have.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:03:58 AM »

Those would be Burris Signature Zee rings with the optional offset insert set which is about $10-$15 extra.

Tim

http://www.burrisoptics.com/sigrings.html

http://www.burrisoptics.com/sigrings1.html#2

snapcrackpop · « **Reply #20 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:11:08 AM »

I just put the Z rings on my new .357 this weekend. The zero offset were shooting about 46" low and right at 100 yards.
I used two 20 degree inserts and got it within 6" of bullseye. A few clicks of the scope and the kid will be good to go for next year's deer hunt. Shot a 2" group at 100 yrds.

I was contemplating sending it back to H&R also....

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #21 on:** January 04, 2010, 10:18:12 AM »

Maybe it is just me but I wonder not only how do they get out of the factory but how do they get out of the store maybe I just go thru them with a fine tooth comb before I take them out lots of time even new guns you get && knocked off just pointing out smug marks. kurt

JAM66 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 04, 2010, 11:56:56 AM »

I went to Gander Mountain today and they exchanged the gun. I had to do another background check on the new gun. I looked at it and though it looked a little off, the Sales Clerk assured me that this one was staight. I got home and was anxious to check it with my arrow shaft ,straight to within .001 inches. I put a blue piece of masking tape at the end of the shaft and placed the arrow along the left side of the rail and then the right. Maybe I'm missing something here but this one is slightly off to the right as well!! Not quite as bad as the other one but still off. Look for yourself!!! Both pictures were taken at the same angle, If this was straight the arrow should run at the same angle down both sides.

c1skout · « **Reply #23 on:** January 04, 2010, 12:33:15 PM »

looks crooked to me

cwlongshot · « **Reply #24 on:** January 04, 2010, 12:46:17 PM »

I agree, but with luck the scope will correct this, if not a set of the suggested Burris rings or a set of MILLET rings (any windage adjustable ring) WILL CORRECT IT!

I fear this is becoming all to often a common occurrence. If so, this is a bad, bad road our favorite gun brand is heading down........

CW

JAM66 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 04, 2010, 02:08:49 PM »

OK, Should I just try the Burris Z rings and be done with it or should I try and send the Gun back to HR and have them mount one on straight? They did offer to cover shipping costs....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #26 on:** January 04, 2010, 02:16:02 PM »

Use of Burris Sig Zees is a good thing, they won't damage the scope or leave ring marks and don't require lapping, I'd mount up a scope and see how it does to at least see how it functions, with all the failures to fire and eject the ULSH barrels have been having, you may want to have all of these things addressed at the same time instead of getting it back with the rail fixed only to have the other issues.

Tim

JAM66 · « **Reply #27 on:** January 04, 2010, 02:23:47 PM »

Yeah good point... I have an .005 and .010 Burris offset kit, so I guess I try it and see where I'm at. I could always put the .005 in the back with the thick half to the left and put the .010 on the front with the thick half on the right. That should effectively "turn" the scope left and counter the "right" pointing rail. Does that make sense?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #28 on:** January 04, 2010, 02:53:28 PM »

I'd center the reticle on the scope using the mirror method listed in the FAQs, then adjust the scope so it's close while sighting thru the bore, start with the .005" to see if it's enough, then make fine adjustments with the turret adjustments.

Tim

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #29 on:** January 08, 2010, 09:30:59 AM »

The ULSH I bought in mid 2008 may of been some of the very first and it was fine no FTF or ejector problems and the scope rail was screw on. I think now looking back the reason it may of taken so long to get in stock was they were making up a bunch of the same ones and sending them to Hastings for the Custom 3 1/2" gun. Kurt