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Nickel plating?
« on: January 01, 2010, 05:00:45 AM »
I was just reading an article about some expensive guitars made by Gibson. The metal parts that I think should be chrome plated for durability and corrosion resistance are actually plated with nickel. Every time I think of nickel plating I think of old nickel plated guns that look horrible because the stuff chips off and wears poorly. Is there some good reason to plate things in nickel? As far as I can tell it looks just like chrome.

These particular parts come in contact with sweaty hands and are typically just cleaned by wiping them down with a dry flannel cloth.
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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2010, 05:39:47 AM »
Done wrong both will peal and look bad, done right both are about indestructible. It might be for the finish being slightly less mirrowed, the visual effect. I really don't know. eddiegjr
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« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2010, 03:15:10 PM »
I have an old nickel plated S&W .357, I bought at a police auction 35 years ago.  Looks good, even after having a lot of hard use.  Then it came up missing for a year.  The wife had forgot and left it in a fender bag on the 4-wheeler.  It spent one year in that non waterproof bag, with the 4-wheeler sitting outside the whole year.  Rain, snow, and shine, cold to -55, hot to 90 deg.  When I finally found it, it was sitting in water, it had rained that day.  I pulled it out and yellow water ran out of the frame.  I opened the cylinder and took the ammo out, the brass was discolored and the bullets were corroded with a white coating. 

I disassembled the gun.  All the interior parts were rusted and unmovable.  I took them to the wire brush on my grinder and cleaned them up.  I took my dremel tool to the inside non plated surface, and cleaned it up.  I used an oily rag and wiped the outside down.  The rib on top of the frame and barrel has a grooved pattern, and to get the rust out of that I used a brass wire brush.  The inside of the barrel and cylinder were covered with a yellow coating, but after cleaning, both were without pits and looked like they did prior to getting wet.

After cleaning it up, and a good oiling, I gave it back to the wife.  It looked just like it did when she commandeered it 30 years ago.  She never knew where I found it, or the condition it was in, but she is happy.  That is her favorite pistol.         
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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2010, 03:26:02 PM »
Sourdough. How did the springs look? Did you fire it enough to be sure one wouldn't fail. Hope it is good. eddie
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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2010, 03:36:58 PM »
eddiejr:  The main coil spring and all the little coil springs for the trigger and cylinder latch were all coated with grease.  Once I cleaned them off they all looked good.  So I regreased them and put them all back.  There is a flat spring that goes inside the large side plate.  It looked bad after cleaning, and I thought I needed to replace it.  That spring got knocked off the bench and disappeared, so I had to get a new one anyway.

That was the first time the gun had ever been taken apart that I knew of.
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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 01:29:18 PM »
I have my dad's old Mod. 10 S&W with chrome or nickle plating and gold plated hammer and trigger.  He carried that piece many miles in NW Florida and she doesn't have any blemishes anywhere.  Has the most uncomfortable staghorn grips on it, truly a pimp gun if I ever saw one.  As with most mod. 10s it has the most slick action and trigger pull going, kinda like greasy glass.

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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2010, 03:30:18 PM »
Nickel plating is one of the steps in chrome plating.  All chrome plating has nickel under it.  The chrome is just a very thin layer to give it brightness.  The nickel is really the protective coating.

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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2010, 04:28:03 AM »
By golly! I didn't know that. I'm glad I asked. I always associated nickel as an inferior alternative to chrome. In this case, it may be deliberate because I see some of those old guitars and they all have some dull parts that I assume are worn nickel.
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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2010, 06:05:36 AM »
Nickel plating is one of the steps in chrome plating.  All chrome plating has nickel under it.  The chrome is just a very thin layer to give it brightness.  The nickel is really the protective coating.

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The GOOD chrome plating has a layer of nickel under it. The cheap flash chrome doesn't. The best jobs involve a copper plating, a nickel plating, then the chromium. Each layer is prepped and cleaned before going to the next. 

Nickel plating has a warm quality look to it, while chrome often looks bluish and harsh. Just my opinion.

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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2010, 06:10:18 AM »
years ago, my uncle worked at a tool shop. He took in his sporterized 98k mauser in 7mm and gave it the same nickel coating thats on wrenches. gorgeous and indestructible. interesting thing about that gun, it had all the waffanamps (eagle stamps) but it had an encircled star of david burned into the stock...
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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2010, 10:06:18 AM »
Nickel plating is one of the steps in chrome plating.  All chrome plating has nickel under it.  The chrome is just a very thin layer to give it brightness.  The nickel is really the protective coating.

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The GOOD chrome plating has a layer of nickel under it. The cheap flash chrome doesn't. The best jobs involve a copper plating, a nickel plating, then the chromium. Each layer is prepped and cleaned before going to the next. 

Nickel plating has a warm quality look to it, while chrome often looks bluish and harsh. Just my opinion.


ShadowMover, you are basically correct.  Good quality triple chrome plating has the 3 layers.  Of those 3 the chrome layer is by far the thinnest.  The copper is used to fill the imperfections in the base metal.  The nickel is still used on cheaper chrome plating, but not as thick a layer.  On the cheaper jobs they leave out the copper layer all together. 

I restore vintage motorcycles as part of my business.  I find that the thin chrome layer is much more likely to flake and peel over time than the nickel.  Most parts that are plated for durability and protection are done in nickel, zinc or cadmium and not chrome.  Nickel is by far the best looking of the three.

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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2010, 10:14:35 AM »


I restore vintage motorcycles as part of my business.  I find that the thin chrome layer is much more likely to flake and peel over time than the nickel.  Most parts that are plated for durability and protection are done in nickel, zinc or cadmium and not chrome.  Nickel is by far the best looking of the three.

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That is why you should not use chrome sockets on an impact gun too, if the socket breaks, the chrome plating will tear your hand up good. Found that out the hard way.

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2010, 02:26:58 PM »


I restore vintage motorcycles as part of my business.  I find that the thin chrome layer is much more likely to flake and peel over time than the nickel.  Most parts that are plated for durability and protection are done in nickel, zinc or cadmium and not chrome.  Nickel is by far the best looking of the three.

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That is why you should not use chrome sockets on an impact gun too, if the socket breaks, the chrome plating will tear your hand up good. Found that out the hard way.
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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2010, 03:23:00 PM »
Is there any way to remove fine scratches from a polished nickel finish?  I have a Smith #29-2 6 inch nickel that has a lot of fine scratches that give the finish an almost hazy look.  I would like to bring the finish back to its former lustre, but don't want to risk making it worse.

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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2010, 03:25:42 PM »
I don't know from experience with nickel, but I have used a product called Simichrome polish to put a mirror finish on aluminum, brass, and a few other kinds of metal. It is excellent stuff. That spelling I gave is the correct one. I've gotten it at hardware stores. It's worth looking into it to find out how it does on nickel.
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« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2010, 05:22:21 PM »


I restore vintage motorcycles as part of my business.  I find that the thin chrome layer is much more likely to flake and peel over time than the nickel.  Most parts that are plated for durability and protection are done in nickel, zinc or cadmium and not chrome.  Nickel is by far the best looking of the three.

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That is why you should not use chrome sockets on an impact gun too, if the socket breaks, the chrome plating will tear your hand up good. Found that out the hard way.

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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2010, 01:30:33 AM »
I favor hard chrome over nickle for appearance and durability.
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Re: Nickel plating?
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2010, 09:31:47 AM »
I have used semichrome polish for years on my bikes - works great.  Tried it in nickel plating - it shines it up, but did not remove the scratches.  Maybe with a polishing wheel, but I don't want to risk burning thru the finish..

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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2010, 06:40:16 PM »
I have a 1911 Colt  that has been nickel plated and sand blasted.
The only problem I've had with it is I wiped it down with a black silicon cloth and it looks dirty now. I'll have to find something to clean it with.                         
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