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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2010, 04:47:21 AM »
You can bet she is NOT carrying a pink gun.
I have finally got it through my own head in the past say 8-10 years that
it makes no difference to me if you are gay as long as you don't try to tell me how much better your life is. I have found they are pretty easy to work with, i have been attack by a bull dyke for messing with her/his girl friend, but then i have gotten
upset with guys for trying to mess with my girl friend. I didn't know she was spoken for.  ??? I don't like the life stile
but i have learned to live with them, cause they ain't going away. ;D
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2010, 04:56:42 AM »
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so sure of themselves, and the wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2010, 05:54:07 AM »
Guess it's true!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyFSdj1J5Vw

Not really, but... there's just as many interesting and exotic types in Texas, as anywhere else. Maybe not as loud & concentrated as in, say, San Francisco or Barney Frank's office... but there, nonetheless.

I'll vote for a homosexual gun-nut libertarian before I'll vote for a heterosexual gun-grabbin' liberal, any day of the week.
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2010, 06:42:07 AM »
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REST ASSURED, Casull, I understand your argument: you don't like gay people, will oppose them for their sexual orientation as opposed to their competence/character/how they've treated you. Got it. I also understand that you consider sex with children, animals, and dead bodies, to be morally equivalent to consensual sex between adult of the same sex.

Rest assured, Yellowtail, you do not understand me or my argument.  Nowhere did I say that pedophilia, beastiality, etc. were morally equivilant to homosexuality.  I was making a LOGICAL argument that just because someone is the way they are, that does not make it NORMAL.  Littering and murder are not morally equivilant, but they are both crimes.  Just because one is ignored, accepted, etc. does not change that fact.  BTW, I do, in fact, know at least one lesbian, and I do not dislike her at all.  Actually, I like her as a person (friendly, honest, personable), but that does not mean her sexual orientation is NORMAL.
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2010, 06:50:46 AM »
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REST ASSURED, Casull, I understand your argument: you don't like gay people, will oppose them for their sexual orientation as opposed to their competence/character/how they've treated you. Got it. I also understand that you consider sex with children, animals, and dead bodies, to be morally equivalent to consensual sex between adult of the same sex.

Rest assured, Yellowtail, you do not understand me or my argument.  Nowhere did I say that pedophilia, beastiality, etc. were morally equivilant to homosexuality.  I was making a LOGICAL argument that just because someone is the way they are, that does not make it NORMAL.  Littering and murder are not morally equivilant, but they are both crimes.  Just because one is ignored, accepted, etc. does not change that fact.  BTW, I do, in fact, know at least one lesbian, and I do not dislike her at all.  Actually, I like her as a person (friendly, honest, personable), but that does not mean her sexual orientation is NORMAL.
Your tone is such that it seems you are not just saying that being a lesbian is abnormal (which it technically is) but that it is also wrong and bad (which is the core of the debate here).  Being left handed or red haired is technically abnormal, but not bad, evil, or wrong.  It is just the normal variety that humans come in.  

I couldn't care what humans do as consenting adults.  It scares the hell out of me that others do, but I'm not surprised.  I'd just as soon not watch anyone make out but two people holding hands doesn't immediately make me throw up, be they straight or gay, there are just too many more important things to worry about.  PDA is tacky regardless of what your orientation is.

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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2010, 06:52:01 AM »
BTW, I do, in fact, know at least one lesbian, and I do not dislike her at all.  Actually, I like her as a person (friendly, honest, personable), but that does not mean her sexual orientation is NORMAL.

Is she mayor of Houston, by any chance? :)
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2010, 07:13:12 AM »
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Your tone is such that it seems you are not just saying that being a lesbian is abnormal (which it technically is) but that it is also wrong and bad (which is the core of the debate here).


No, duk, my statement was based on logic, and logic has no "tone".  Like I said before, I just get tired of hearing that "well it's normal for him/her" statement, which is nonsensical since you could apply it to any manner of abnormal behaviour.  Unfortunately, logic is in short supply these days (and not politically correct).  As for it being wrong or bad, that is up to the community to decide.  Just because two consenting adults do it, does not make it right (i.e. prostitution, drug use, etc.).

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since you asked so nicely.. I'm yellowtail3 -who the hell are you, punk? (See, now I'm responding in kind, just this once)
I'd simply quoted you - "I am getting a bit sick ..." - so get a grip. Unwad your panties, Casull.


Actually, misquoted is more like it.  And I see you equate your name calling with my forceful question (but I won't stoop to that level).
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2010, 07:27:48 AM »
Just because two consenting adults do it, does not make it right (i.e. prostitution, drug use, etc.).
Or wrong.

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And I see you equate your name calling with my forceful question (but I won't stoop to that level).

your virtue is laudable, even if a little disingenuous
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2010, 07:32:41 AM »
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Just because two consenting adults do it, does not make it right (i.e. prostitution, drug use, etc.).

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Or wrong.

Hmmm, brilliant argument.   ::)
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2010, 07:36:02 AM »
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Just because two consenting adults do it, does not make it right (i.e. prostitution, drug use, etc.).

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Or wrong.

Hmmm, brilliant argument.   ::)
Well, I'm trying to keep up with you.
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2010, 07:50:58 AM »
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Well, I'm trying to keep up with you.

Ahhh, the famous "I know you are, but what am I" strategy.  You obviously win.
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2010, 07:56:08 AM »
Ahhh, the famous "I know you are, but what am I" strategy.
Not familiar with it.
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2010, 08:03:30 AM »
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Just because two consenting adults do it, does not make it right (i.e. prostitution, drug use, etc.).

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Or wrong.

Hmmm, brilliant argument.   ::)

It's not that bad of an argument.  Things between consenting adults (and I'd very much argue INCLUDING prostitution and drug use, regardless of what the current law says - laws are not always good, as evidenced by the myriad of bad gun legislation out there) are simply actions.  It's not "right" or "wrong" anymore than making toast in the morning is "right" or "wrong".  It might be "moral" or "immoral" in one person's eyes, but the reality is morality varies from person to person so much that you can't figure up a hard code.  And in the end, morality is the domain of religion, which constitutionally has no place in government.  In short, it's not the government's job to legislate morality.

Let people do as they like.  I swear as a group primarily persecuted by others for a voluntary activity they choose to partake in too many gun owners are far too quick to jump at others for actions that have nothing to do with them.  Talk about setting examples - lets not set an example that just because the majority of the population doesn't partake in a particular activity that the rest of us must stomp it out.  Go down that road and you have to keep in mind one important fact: only 39% of Americans own guns, and that number is declining.  I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the minorities lest they repay the favor in a few years.

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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2010, 08:07:03 AM »
Things between consenting adults (and I'd very much argue INCLUDING prostitution and drug use, regardless of what the current law says - laws are not always good, as evidenced by the myriad of bad gun legislation out there) are simply actions.  It's not "right" or "wrong" anymore than making toast in the morning is "right" or "wrong".
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I swear as a group primarily persecuted by others for a voluntary activity they choose to partake in too many gun owners are far too quick to jump at others for actions that have nothing to do with them.

I generally attribute this to... ideology, and political identification. I've done that before. But now, I'm done with ideology.
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Talk about setting examples - lets not set an example that just because the majority of the population doesn't partake in a particular activity that the rest of us must stomp it out.  Go down that road and you have to keep in mind one important fact: only 39% of Americans own guns, and that number is declining.  I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the minorities lest they repay the favor in a few years.
Excellent summary & point.
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2010, 09:52:42 AM »
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It's not that bad of an argument. 


Actually MGMorden, it is the weakest of arguments (probably not even an argument at all).  Because, NOBODY has argued that something is wrong BECAUSE two consenting adults do it.  In fact, most things that two (or ten or one hundred) consenting adults do is not wrong.

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Things between consenting adults . . . are simply actions.  It's not "right" or "wrong" anymore than making toast in the morning is "right" or "wrong".

No, "right" and "wrong" do carry moral implications.  Perhaps, if you were living in a cave, miles from the nearest humans, that MIGHT hold sway.  But, we live in communities, and those that make up the community have some say in what is acceptable behaviour. 

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And in the end, morality is the domain of religion, which constitutionally has no place in government.


I think the Founders might disagree with you, given that such things as gambling, public drunkeness and such were illegal during their time.

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I swear as a group primarily persecuted by others for a voluntary activity they choose to partake in too many gun owners are far too quick to jump at others for actions that have nothing to do with them.


Well, except for that pesky little 2nd Amendment.  But, I don't recall seeing anything in the Bill of Rights regarding the right to rent a prostitute, or marry multiple wives, or anything along those lines.
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2010, 11:22:45 AM »

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Actually MGMorden, it is the weakest of arguments (probably not even an argument at all).  Because, NOBODY has argued that something is wrong BECAUSE two consenting adults do it.  In fact, most things that two (or ten or one hundred) consenting adults do is not wrong.

No, but the opposite HAS been presented - that being that if it's an action between two legally consenting adults then it is NOT "wrong" (or rather, should not be illegal).

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Things between consenting adults . . . are simply actions.  It's not "right" or "wrong" anymore than making toast in the morning is "right" or "wrong".

No, "right" and "wrong" do carry moral implications.  Perhaps, if you were living in a cave, miles from the nearest humans, that MIGHT hold sway.  But, we live in communities, and those that make up the community have some say in what is acceptable behaviour. 

Here you've delving into ethics vs morals.  The acceptable behavior you refer to is ethics.  The "right" and "wrong" to which you are referring are morals. 

For a good read:

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-ethics-and-morals.htm

Either way, if you want to make it into what the community says, depending on which survey you look at, while people who actually ARE gay may be a small percentage, between 65% and 90% of the population are not opposed to gay people.  Not to mention that a sizable amount of the strongest critics against gays are themselves closeted homosexuals.  They see something inside themselves that they don't like and feel the need to try and stomp it out from the rest of society.  Almost like a sobered former alcoholic who can't stand to be around others drinking.  They're afraid of temptation.  For those of us who are straight, why should we worry at all?  Do you think the gays are going to sneak into your room at night and feed you some pills that make you gay?  What they're doing doesn't hurt you or affect you in the least.

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I think the Founders might disagree with you, given that such things as gambling, public drunkeness and such were illegal during their time.

The Founders did a lot of hypocritical things - including the passing of the Alien and Sedition Acts (which Jefferson himself declared to be in violation of both the First and Tenth Amendments) just 9 years after the Bill of Rights itself was passed.  It also took another group of people nearly 70 years to get rid of slavery via an additional amendment, which the Founders themselves neglected. I don't hold them up on a pedestal.  They made mistakes, and even in that time there were those who were trying to circumvent the (then rather new) Constitution.  Given that, what was legal or illegal at the time is of no consequence.  Heck some of the goofiest most unfair laws that most of us laugh at today are holdovers from that era.

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I swear as a group primarily persecuted by others for a voluntary activity they choose to partake in too many gun owners are far too quick to jump at others for actions that have nothing to do with them.

Well, except for that pesky little 2nd Amendment.  But, I don't recall seeing anything in the Bill of Rights regarding the right to rent a prostitute, or marry multiple wives, or anything along those lines.

It states that the government shall make no law respecting any particular religion, and the simple truth is that most laws against such things have their roots in religious ideals.  They offend (certain) people's sensibilities regarding "right" and "wrong", but they do not harm anyone else.  There is no victim in such "crimes".  You can try to debate that away if you like, but the same debating away of right can has been applied to the 2nd amendment as well.  Many jurisdictions have claimed that the National Guard fills the role of a militia in the 2nd amendment and as such since they have guns then the amendment is satisfied and need not apply to individual citizens.  I've also seen it argued that the amendment only applies to arms of the day in which it was written, and so citizens could legally be allowed to own smooth bore muskets only and the amendment would still be satisfied.  Now, both those interpretations are rubbish, but don't think that if the population and courts turn that way that they couldn't be legally interpreted as so. 

Or to sum it up succinctly, if you want to declare something illegal, then explain WHY it's wrong.  If you once bring religion or "it just is" into the discussion then you've headed into a logical black hole which cannot be used to produce a constitutional law.  As a nation, for all the bad that has happened, we ARE managing to finally squash hatred, prejudice, racism, bigotry, etc.  If you're a hold over that still wants to cling to that nonsense, then have at it.  You're entitled to your opinions, just don't expect the rest of us to give a darn about them.  The rest of modern society can move on with life as your prejudiced ideals fade away.

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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2010, 12:08:07 PM »
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No, but the opposite HAS been presented - that being that if it's an action between two legally consenting adults then it is NOT "wrong" (or rather, should not be illegal).

Do you even read what you write?  Of course the opposite was presented (that was yellowtail's "argument"), but since nobody had made the claim that it was wrong, then how could he logically ARGUE that it was not wrong.

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Either way, if you want to make it into what the community says, depending on which survey you look at, while people who actually ARE gay may be a small percentage, between 65% and 90% of the population are not opposed to gay people.

Well, if that is true, then it is a non-issue.

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For those of us who are straight, why should we worry at all?  Do you think the gays are going to sneak into your room at night and feed you some pills that make you gay?


It always makes me laugh when the politically correct "enlightened" types get up on their high horse and go for the "homophobe card".  No, I am not afraid of homosexuals.  In fact, I don't think about them very often.  Mainly just when some sneering elitist tries to tell me that homosexuality is normal.

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It also took another group of people nearly 70 years to get rid of slavery via an additional amendment, which the Founders themselves neglected.


Through a process that the Founders incorporated into the Constitution to deal with just those types of issues.  I say that they were brilliant men.

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It states that the government shall make no law respecting any particular religion

If you are going to criticize those that you quote, you should at least get it right.  It states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof".

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Many jurisdictions have claimed that the National Guard fills the role of a militia in the 2nd amendment and as such since they have guns then the amendment is satisfied and need not apply to individual citizens.

They can claim it all they like, but they must ignore the language of the 2nd Amendment to make that argument (applying to the "right of the people" as it does).

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There is no victim in such "crimes".

In that you are wrong.  Prostitution, for example, is often called a victimless crime, yet the consequences of that activity often produces "victims", from the prostitutes themselves (beatings, STD's, drug addiction, etc.) to the families of the "Johns" (divorce, destitution of wives and children, etc.).  Our actions carry consequences, and just because some are too short sighted to see them, does not mean they don't exist.

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As a nation, for all the bad that has happened, we ARE managing to finally squash hatred, prejudice, racism, bigotry, etc.  If you're a hold over that still wants to cling to that nonsense, then have at it.


Ahh, back to that.  Nowhere have I said that I think that homosexuality should be outlawed, but for stating my OPINION that it is not normal, I am deemed by the elitist PC crowd as a "hater".  I don't hate homosexuals, but I don't think we need to hold up their behaviour as something to be emulated.  And, you shouldn't assume to know what is in someone else's heart.

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You're entitled to your opinions, just don't expect the rest of us to give a darn about them.


Sound advice to you as well.
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #47 on: January 05, 2010, 12:10:29 PM »
I dont really care about somebodies sexual preferences.  I dont know why people have to "lead" with that. "Hi, I'm a heterosexual nice to meet you". C'mon!

One thing though about this Mayor, her n I have something in common other than guns.  I like girls too!

Never been a Gay/Lesbian Mayor of San Francisco. Surprising isnt it.

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« Reply #48 on: January 05, 2010, 12:14:02 PM »
Touche Casull!! YOU ARE GOOD!!

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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #49 on: January 05, 2010, 12:23:07 PM »
I dont really care about somebodies sexual preferences.  I dont know why people have to "lead" with that. "Hi, I'm a heterosexual nice to meet you". C'mon!
That would be odd... has anyone, gay or straight, ever done that to you?
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #50 on: January 05, 2010, 12:25:48 PM »
MGMorden, Are you a lawyer too?  Your last post is an excellent constitutional law analysis.  You are either one of us or have a lot of experience with constitutional law.  ;D  


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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #51 on: January 05, 2010, 01:59:33 PM »
MGMorden, Are you a lawyer too?  Your last post is an excellent constitutional law analysis.  You are either one of us or have a lot of experience with constitutional law.  ;D  



Nah, not a lawyer.  My background is in Computer Science (I'm a programmer).  Most of my exposure to the topic has been through first amendment discussions as they pertain to online technologies/activities. 

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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #52 on: January 05, 2010, 02:16:36 PM »
I will say without a doubt homosexuality is a choice, if it were natural that gene would have died out many milleiums ago. That said, I could really care less about this mayor being a lesbian it is her choice. And the good Texans of Houstan made her their choice to represent themas mayor.
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #53 on: January 05, 2010, 02:41:18 PM »
How'd this thread turn so bad? Name calling and cheap shots at each other for what??



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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #54 on: January 06, 2010, 01:27:46 AM »
It would seem there have been homosexuals in govt. for most of the time there have been goverments . Today the difference is they ( the homosexuals) have to brag about it .
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #55 on: January 06, 2010, 05:53:13 AM »
I'm in Houston and I think she will be a very good Mayor.  But we'll see. She has appointed a conservative as her Mayor pro-tem, an important post.  
Her opponent was a rather arrogant 'former black activist', Gene Locke.

This from  http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6664604.html
 "(Locke was)...22-year-old activist who helped found UH's Afro Americans for Black Liberation.
...His rhetoric at the time, much as it was among young African-American activists in the late 1960s, was tinged with frustration and veiled threats. He was quoted calling police “licensed killers” and saying AABL aimed to “dehonkify” the university."


Locke was supported by a  so-called conservative 'kingmaker' named Hotze. I think Hotze supported the liberal black only because of the new Mayor's 'gayness'. That's a sell-out in my opinion.
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I'm glad she won.

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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #56 on: January 06, 2010, 06:09:22 AM »
Somebody answer me this. Would you rather have a cheating,anti-gun,spend money like it's going out of style,lying,heterosexual politician? Or, an honest,conservative,pro-gun,small government gay/lesbian politician?  gypsyman
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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #57 on: January 06, 2010, 06:16:31 AM »
I'm in Houston and I think she will be a very good Mayor.  But we'll see. She has appointed a conservative as her Mayor pro-tem, an important post.  
Her opponent was a rather arrogant 'former black activist', Gene Locke.

This from  http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6664604.html
 "(Locke was)...22-year-old activist who helped found UH's Afro Americans for Black Liberation.
...His rhetoric at the time, much as it was among young African-American activists in the late 1960s, was tinged with frustration and veiled threats. He was quoted calling police “licensed killers” and saying AABL aimed to “dehonkify” the university."


Locke was supported by a  so-called conservative 'kingmaker' named Hotze. I think Hotze supported the liberal black only because of the new Mayor's 'gayness'. That's a sell-out in my opinion.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/blogs/burkablog/?p=5295
I'm glad she won.

My wife and I had a talk about gays this morning.  Our Pastor says it's a sin, but I don't know.  We have a gay friend we've known for years, just a great guy, who has had a very stable monogamous long-term marriage....  I can't see the Good Lord condemning him for that.
Gentlemen - is it any more of a sin, any more a wrong - to be gay, or to cheat on your wife? Who of us has done no wrong?
Wow.  How little you know about being Christian.  Just hang around here and pick up a few things from our more pius members!  Forgiveness, thoughtful consideration, modesty, hesitation to judge, even the worst... thinking for yourself, you've got a lot of bad habits to get rid of!

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Re: Lesbian Elected Mayor of Houston
« Reply #58 on: January 06, 2010, 06:22:37 AM »
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Wow.  How little you know about being Christian.  Just hang around here and pick up a few things from our more pius members!  Forgiveness, thoughtful consideration, modesty, hesitation to judge, even the worst... thinking for yourself, you've got a lot of bad habits to get rid of!


Duk, your sarcasm is underwhelming.  I don't think that Jesus preached that we accept all conduct in order to be Christians.  I seem to recall something about love the sinner, but hate the sin.   ::)
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Somebody answer me this. Would you rather have a cheating,anti-gun,spend money like it's going out of style,lying,heterosexual politician? Or, an honest,conservative,pro-gun,small government gay/lesbian politician?  gypsyman

Gypsyman, easy answer there.  I'll always take the conservative.   ;)
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