Author Topic: What's wrong with profiling ? (Read 1276 times)

ironglow · « **on:** January 05, 2010, 02:03:39 PM »

  Today we hear all the assinine arguments about "profiling"..what in the *&$#@* is wrong with profiling ? Police use it all the time to solve crimes. If a person were to fall for a "no profiling" criteria, solving a crime would be very difficult. Take that little Jessica Lunsford who was so brutally murdered in Florida..as soon as the LEO's realized they were looking for an older man..they would have to stop there ..profiling. As soon as they realized they were looking for a white man...stop: profiling...DUH !!!
  Never have normally bright people been so voluntarily stupid !
   What is wrong with watching Muslim men between 20 and 45 extra closely ?
...just who the &*^$#* is doing all the bombing of planes, trains and automobiles anyway ? Racist... ? ...NO; I'm simply being a realist!

   I am a white Christian with blue eyes and a handlebar moustache. If the bombing were being done by white Christians with blue eyes and handlebar moustaches, I would expect to be scrutinized very closely. I would even expect to be patted down more than an 8 year old black Muslim kid. In fact, I would cooperate very well without being angry with the necessary inconvenience, simply because I would be most angry at those white Christians with blue eyes who are bringing shame on my kind.
   I would ..unless I am in cahoots with those white Christians with blue eyes and handlebar moustaches who do the bombings..

   Folks, we are not looking for somebody who may be in danger of stealing a piece of Grandma's pumpkin pie.. We are trying to apprehend individuals who want to murder hundreds, perhaps thousands of our fellow Americans...and if Amadinijad gives them nukes..perhaps millions of us !! Worth thinking about !

billy_56081 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 05, 2010, 02:07:50 PM »

Ahh becaause it works and you get good results.

highwayman · « **Reply #2 on:** January 05, 2010, 02:17:49 PM »

i agree ironglow. in s.e. louisiana we had a serial killer running around and someone thought up'' it's a white male in a white truck''. the state police did not have a problem stopping every white male that drives a white truck. for some reason they donot have a problem stopping a white male if the profile fits but will not do the same for other races. go figure.

torpedoman · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2010, 02:31:27 PM »

Quote from: highwayman on January 05, 2010, 02:17:49 PM

i agree ironglow. in s.e. louisiana we had a serial killer running around and someone thought up'' it's a white male in a white truck''. the state police did not have a problem stopping every white male that drives a white truck. for some reason they donot have a problem stopping a white male if the profile fits but will not do the same for other races. go figure.

It isn't profiling if they are looking for a white guy. Only when it becomes a PC thing.

hillbill · « **Reply #4 on:** January 05, 2010, 02:32:14 PM »

i wud have to say, if a certain group of white, blue eyed, medium height, god fearing rebels were bombing and killing here. ill bet other white, blue eyed, medium height christians would take care of it.hear any outcry from the peacefull muslims?either they condone it or they are such a tiny minority they have no voice.the muslims are a huge religion but one never hears any of them saying that the extremist fringe do not represent them.kinda weird huh?

burntmuch · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2010, 02:32:49 PM »

Yep cause it works & reenforces a steriotype

powderman · « **Reply #6 on:** January 05, 2010, 02:47:23 PM »

Darned right we should profile. The Godless ones are the ones planning and carrying out the murders of as many innocents as they can. Strip search em, check all body cavities, don't like it?

Don't fly. And it should include their women since they too have been used as bombers. POWDERMAN.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 05, 2010, 07:03:23 PM »

Anything that is logical is immediatly removed as an option when it comes to government.

williamlayton · « **Reply #8 on:** January 05, 2010, 10:51:33 PM »

We all profile in most every decision we make.
You can write a law but you can't stop the movement.
It is a logic based way this profileing thing.
NOW, it goes ascrew in the hands of idiots.
Blessings

alsaqr · « **Reply #9 on:** January 06, 2010, 12:01:27 AM »

This term "racial profiling" was invented by the ACLU. It has come to the point where the law enforcement agencies and the counter-terrorism agencies are unable to properly do their jobs because of the threat of a lawsuit if they dare to stop a person who is other than white. If the guy is acting like a dope hauler, gangbanger or terrorist then stop the guy and take the appropriate action. The US is under attack from Isalmic extremists and the idiots who run this country are afraid of hurting someone's feelings.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #10 on:** January 06, 2010, 04:07:45 AM »

Quote from: Cabin4 on January 05, 2010, 07:03:23 PM

Anything that is logical is immediatly removed as an option when it comes to government.

Never a truer word spoken.

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2010, 05:32:55 AM »

the one profile that all these criminal minds shows make very clear,, is thier looking for a white male loner..

, thats how the public is being mentally conditioned to believe it..
according to that thinking.. when i was in the woods for what ever reason , i musta been one

.. jmo slim
ps they might arrest me tonight because of this post.. only half joking..

hillbill · « **Reply #12 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:22:17 PM »

ummm well ummm, how long before a white male in the woods with a gun, is ahhhh ummm considered a terrorist?a young friend of mine who lives in the stiks in cal says yu do not walk along a dirt road with a gun without haveing obscenities shouted at yu by passing motorist.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2010, 02:39:00 PM »

No politician is going to do anything that actually works and fixes the problem. Has everyone else here noticed that our "leaders" keep promisng to fix the same things every election cycle.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 06, 2010, 03:59:50 PM »

nothing is wrong with it...thats why they will not permit it..

Cabin4 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 06, 2010, 04:02:14 PM »

Mostly due to stupid Americans that get their news and views from the likes of a Sean Hannity, Keith Olberman, Rachel Madow and the rest of the moronic media outlet azz-holes. Things will only change in this country when every-day Americans decide they want adherence to our constitutional principles to be the measure of political success or failure. And as the war mongers continue the drum beat it helps import political influence from around the globe..which further deteriorates at our sovereignty as a nation and erodes at our conservative cultural and governmental principals. Until then, expect more of the same and or things to just get worse as the stupid Americans drive us further into the abyss.

ironglow · « **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2010, 04:14:10 PM »

Cabin4;
Okaaay..So the news some of us see is all crooked, messed up and weird...

Pray tell us, where are you getting the full truth, 100% accurate accounts of the news from these days ? Please give us some of the stations, papers or websites where all this enlightenment is transpiring..so we too can be properly informed.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2010, 04:26:54 PM »

IG maybe if we all hold hands and think positive thoughts like they do in California the world would be a safe wonderful place. Gurgle Gurgle cough cough!

Cabin4 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2010, 04:34:21 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on January 06, 2010, 04:14:10 PM

Cabin4;
Okaaay..So the news some of us see is all crooked, messed up and weird...

Pray tell us, where are you getting the full truth, 100% accurate accounts of the news from these days ? Please give us some of the stations, papers or websites where all this enlightenment is transpiring..so we too can be properly informed.

Read the constitution and use this as the success/failure gauge. Look at our foreign and domestic policies/initiatives and simply triangulate these aspects to measure them to the constitutional “smell test” . The success or failures of our politicians/government for me is based solely on this approach. If you can get yourself to this basic approach, you do not need a "news outlet" with talking heads. Most could care less about the constitution. You are capable of doing this analysis yourself. All the talking heads do is advocate for one political side or the other. They are not special people with special capabilities. They simply make a living at formulating an opinion and then trying to deliver it to as many people as they can to produce ratings. For me there is only right and wrong when it comes to government policy. Its either “right” or “wrong” by the constitution.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 06, 2010, 04:35:11 PM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on January 06, 2010, 04:26:54 PM

IG maybe if we all hold hands and think positive thoughts like they do in California the world would be a safe wonderful place. Gurgle Gurgle cough cough!

Your just a child Billy boy. I understand.

ironglow · « **Reply #20 on:** January 06, 2010, 05:27:19 PM »

  Cabin;
  I didn't ask for more "spin".. I asked for names of news programs, newspaers or websites where your superior information comes from.

   Oh sure, we've probably all read the Constitution and the history surounding it. Likely many of us have read also "The Federalist Papers" to get a frame of reference for the Constitution, however, current events are also important..but still, that does not answer my question.

  A couple posts ago, you said most Americans are stupid and get their news from the wrong sources; so, please list the sources of your more accurate information..you know..like 1, 2, 3, 4, etc..
Besides; though great..our Constitution isn't really "news"..

Surely, you don't just sit in a corner somewhere to read and re-read the Constitution, do you ? So just go ahead ..1,2,3,4...it's easy..

Cabin4 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 06, 2010, 05:37:11 PM »

IG,

I'm not going to give you names because I don't listen to thier trash. Your correct, I don't sit in the corner and reread the constitution all day. That would not be news. What I do is keep abreast of proposed or passed legislation and evaluate if I beleive it complies or violates the constitution. All the rest is about politics. I'm sick and tired of politics I'm only interested in right and wrong by the constitution and our founding pricipals.

Sourdough · « **Reply #22 on:** January 06, 2010, 08:01:52 PM »

Because it is offensive to the Muslims, and they will not tolerate it. Our government does not want to offend anyone, it has to be politically correct.

alsaqr · « **Reply #23 on:** January 06, 2010, 11:02:15 PM »

Quote

Mostly due to stupid Americans that get their news and views from the likes of a Sean Hannity, Keith Olberman, Rachel Madow and the rest of the moronic media outlet azz-holes. Things will only change in this country when every-day Americans decide they want adherence to our constitutional principles to be the measure of political success or failure. And as the war mongers continue the drum beat it helps import political influence from around the globe..which further deteriorates at our sovereignty as a nation and erodes at our conservative cultural and governmental principals. Until then, expect more of the same and or things to just get worse as the stupid Americans drive us further into the abyss.

+1

Great post.

The mainstream news media is all about sensationalism and 30 second sound bites. Americans have lost the ability to rationally digest the news. They must have some polarizing shill of their political persuasion do it for them. None of the shills who run those radio "news" shows will allow an opposing view from a call in listener.

ironglow · « **Reply #24 on:** January 06, 2010, 11:27:54 PM »

Alsaqr;
   If the shows you are talking about are the radio talk shows which invite listeners to call in, I believe they are nearly all labelled "opinion" shows. The ones I listen to..Rush, Laura Ingraham, Fred Thompson etc., clearly label themselves as conservative. They probably take as many or more calls from those who disagree with them than those who agree!
   Shucks, their shows would be very boring if they only accepted like minded listeners; ..who would listen to 2-3 hours of..yes..I agree..you're right..right on ? That's not the reason why these radio hosts have millions of listeners..
   Nope ! ...Give and take debate is the HEART of their shows; the fact that they usually "mop the floor" with detractors is just a reflection of their knowledge, logic and preparation.
   Of course; they will not likely let a person on to debate if the person seems to be frothing at the mouth already..no sense crossing verbal swords with an unarmed man..

williamlayton · « **Reply #25 on:** January 07, 2010, 02:32:01 AM »

I contend that you can get the news from all sources.
They may try to tell you that their opinion is the news--but just because they tell you that doesn't make it so.
THINK is an old IBM term---I have one of their laminated desk placques.
Hear the story/the news and don't pay any attention to the commentary.
Do your own thinking.
You will be wrong some and right some--BUT--if you do your own THINKING then you own it and must shoulder the responsibility.
Don't ever put your ownself into the circle of pointing to the right.
If you are wrong--handle it like you aught too.
Blameing is a poor definition of a coward.
Blessings

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #26 on:** January 07, 2010, 02:54:05 AM »

If we don't profile we waste alot of time !

ironglow · « **Reply #27 on:** January 07, 2010, 08:25:17 AM »

If we don't profile in many daily decisions..we must be airheads. Any parent of a teenager who doesn't "profile" their youngster's friends ..is delinquent parent !

Black Eagle · « **Reply #28 on:** January 07, 2010, 01:49:26 PM »

TSA does profile and that is a fact. If you've ever stood behind somebody of M.E. decent in an airport, you would know that they do it. Racial profiling becomes dangerous because they focus on one group to the exclusion of others. They overlook white terrorists like Richard Reid, the shoe bomber. One of the worst terrorists of all time, although it wasn't on an airplane, was Timothy McVeigh. Do you remember David Hicks, the Australian who was picked up in Afghanistan? There are a lot of white men who have been through the madrasses in Central Asia who are as dangerous as any man alive. There are a number of Bosnians I'd worry about a lot more than most of the Arabs. If you focus on one race, you are probably going to get blown away by some white eye. The only people who shouldn't be profiled are Native Americans. We have become "civilized" and we get on airplanes only because we want to get somewhere -- off the reservations.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 07, 2010, 02:10:10 PM »

I'm perfectly fine with profiling. In addition, every suspect country should be under Visa rules.