live ammo ejection difficulty.

[fireminer]

rifle was purchased in 1996 new in box. almost immediately had ejection difficulties. i shipped the rifle m7600 30-06 back to the factory for repairs.rifle was returned without a resulation except for the plastic ejection port cover was replaced.  approx 50-75 rounds of ammo have been fired threw the barrel.originaly and still have two boxes remington  ammo.  some of the ammo is from an older box the other is about a year old.  the older ammo is approx 2 tenths longer according to my micrometer and all the ammo in this box will not allow me without true difficulity to depress the slide action bar release.  cases all measured about  the same.  The other box of ammo micked measured the same and all worked well except one round in that box. i've been on a # of gun forums got some good responces except for cleaning i can't do th other suggestions.  remington co. e-mailed a return answer to take the rifle to a rem. approved gunsmith.  my question in return was will i be responsible for  payment? answer:if it was a failed repair it should be covered under warranty. spoke to gunsmith at gander mtn about rifle without looking at rifle and thru experance it will not be covered and will cost approx 120.00$ est .  any thoughts?  HELP!!!

[trotterlg]

I would take a look at one of the rounds that is hard to eject and see if there are not some rifleing marks on the bullet.  Sounds like it could be pushing the bullet into the lands and jamming there.  Especially since you say they are .200 longer than the rounds that will eject.  Larry

[slimjlm]

Some pump rifles are extremely sensitive to ammunition OAL, which should be shorter than 3.340" on your 30.06.  Maybe your longer loads were for a single-shot? If they are .200" (2/10ths) longer I wouldn't expect them to properly fit the magazine either. Does it operate okay with new, in spec rounds?  If so I'd just stick to those.  Is it not ejecting, not unlocking, or not extracting?  Does it close hard?  The unlocking bar, have you checked it for burrs or bending?  Also some rifles were shipped with long term preservative everywhere, and it can get so hard recesses it will cause problems, even on brand new guns. Its also hard to see and remove, try a dental pic in all the traveling ways. Any of these things can be exaggerated by longer ammo.  Jarret

[fireminer]

the rifle operates fine with the in spect ammo.  the longer ammo will not allow the ejection slide bar to move into its proper position which results in difficulty depressing the slide action bar release button.  with the longer ammo with a lot of phycical arm force the rifle will eventually extract & eject.  from another gun forum i  coated the round completly to the cannalure with black marker  result was minimal marks near the cannalure the  rifle is on its way to the gander  gunsmith with ammo from 3 different boxes 2 boxes measure ok, the other the longer ammo . my son is playing delivery person to see if the smith will look at the weapon for almost no charge because i frankly can't afford the 120.00 est cost at this time.  fixed income {disabilaty}.  jarret & larry  thank you for your responses & have a goo year.  great web site!

[fireminer]

as an addendum i thought the action arm bar may be a little longer than it should be by manufacture.

[Hank08]

Nothing wrong with your rifle, it's the ammo.  The ammo that's too long, seat the bullets to the same length as the ones that work.  That should solve your problem.
H08

[Dee]

Sounds like an ammo problem to me to Hank

[gunnut69]

How does the length of the ammo cause the slide release to be hard to operate?

[slimjlm]

The bullet might be engaging the rifling early, making it close hard, causing undue rearward pressure on the bolt, and that might make it hard to unlock.  Or they might have been only neck sized (after being formed on another gun) and the cases are just too long for this one, also causing rearward pressure.  Maybe... 

[Redtail1949]

i have a remington 742 woodsmaster semi auto bought in 1967 and the only problem i ever had was making sure the overall length of any "RELOAD" was functional through the magazine. i could load longer rounds developed for my bolt action rifles and they would fire accurately but only one at a time. they would not feed through the magazine.

you can load rounds that have an overall lenth that is too long and jam the bullet into the rifleing which in turn will not allow proper ejection unless you have a mauser type extractor that will pull the case out sometimes leaving the bullet in the barrel and dumping powder everywhere.

yet if your speaking of factory loaded rounds only... that would be a very rare problem as all were designed to work through all action types. i have shot all bullet weights available in the 30.06 factory loaded rounds thru mine and they all feed thru the magazine and fire and eject with no problems.ion i would say it would seem to me to be an ammo problem and if they were factory loaded ammo that would be something.

if they checked it when you sent it in and then sent it back i doubt very seriously it could be any other problem other than the ammo. call whoever made them an talk to them as to what the overall length should be, if they are wrong somhow i bet they will replace them for you.

there is one problem you just might have and that is a rough chamber that causes the case to lock in it after fireing and the ejector is not strong enough to remove the case. i have seen this happen in two different 742's one was mine and another was a friends. i tried everything took it to gunsmith school and tried to polish it nothing worked. i had to buy what they said was the last one of the 742 barrels available from Numrich. i can fire loaded down slightly rounds and they eject ok in the old barrel but i was not happy with that. you just might have that checked out and see if you have  a rough chamber.

[fireminer]

my son picked up the m7600 rem and the gunsmith said the issue was with the ammo.  To him the box looked like reloads and were not seated far enough into the case.  I must have picked up the ammo where we go shooting.  However I did have a new box of ammo factory loads and out of the box one round was to long.  I guess when I buy a box of ammo i will have to get my micrometer on each and every round.  I would like to thank every one for all your inforlmation and input.  I appreciated the information and also picked up a good bit of information.  Until the next time good shooting and stay safe.