30-06 for game larger than elk

[fatercat]

thats right, 257 roberts, 25-06, 257 weatherby, on everything up to elk. the rest will fall very nicley to the 30-06. bears, buff, lions, tigers, tuskers. you name it.  i'll not have my ass handed to me again shooting the magnums.

[BRL]

+ 1 on that! Not the ass handing by the way.

[SHOOTALL]

There is two ways to look at this , Get a big azz mag.and blow the critter to kingdom come or learn where to place the bullet .

[mcwoodduck]

OH,
My 338 Win mag with the 225 grain Remington Soft points does not kick much more than my 30-06 with 180 grain Soft points
And very similar to my open sight 308 Win.  The 375H&H and the 3.5" 10 ga are another story.  I only shoot both standing and one day I was shooting Trap from the 30+ yard line for a tie breaker and we all pulled out the big guns.  My 10 ga and my two friends 12 ga Benalli's in 3.5"  and after the 12th round my fingers went numb.  Think the brain was numb earlier.
I am not saying you need the 338 WM or anything bigger but I like having mine.

[drdougrx]

Ummm....OK Fatercat....what pray tell brought this revelation into the light?

[Swampman]

The .30-06 for everything.....period.

[fatercat]

the younger crowd has been exposed to the gun makers saying the 500 express magnum is what you need to be a hunter that brings game to bag."all of us older guys fell for that". take note to save you cash. a old 30-30 will kill any thing you want.

[Swampman]

My primary FL rifle is my Glenfield .30-30.  If I go out of state I usually take my .30-06.

[drdougrx]

OK...quite frankly...if I had to have only one, it'd be a Rem700 in 06 with a 180gr NoslerP.  But...that's no fun...I mean pronghorn and black buck...an 06 will work fine as will 50 other calibers.  I dunno...I like to use whatever because I want to, not because I need to.  

Although...cape buff, ele, rhino, african lion and kodiak griz...I'd like a bit more.

[nomosendero]

OK...quite frankly...ig I had to have only one, it'd be a Rem700 in 06 with a 180gr NoslerP.  But...that's no fun...I mean pronghorn and black buck...an 06 will work fine as will 50 othe calibers.  I dunno...I like to use whatever because I want to, not because I need to. 

Although...cape buff, ele, rhino, african lion and kodiak griz...I'd like a bit more.

And so would experienced hunters.

[nomosendero]

OK...quite frankly...ig I had to have only one, it'd be a Rem700 in 06 with a 180gr NoslerP.  But...that's no fun...I mean pronghorn and black buck...an 06 will work fine as will 50 othe calibers.  I dunno...I like to use whatever because I want to, not because I need to. 

Although...cape buff, ele, rhino, african lion and kodiak griz...I'd like a bit more.

And so would experienced hunters. Or someone who maybe didn't want to start arguments.

[dukkillr]

the younger crowd has been exposed to the gun makers saying the 500 express magnum is what you need to be a hunter that brings game to bag."all of us older guys fell for that". take note to save you cash. a old 30-30 will kill any thing you want.

There are dramatically more people extolling the virtue of some old non-magnum caliber than there are members of the, "younger crowd" doing the same for magnums.  Go through the threads here or elsewhere.  Count the, "We love the 30-30" and "we love the 45-70" and the "we love the 30.06 and/or the 270" threads.  Now count the "we love the magnums" threads.  Seriously, give us your count...

Or you could prop up and argument that isn't being advanced just so you can pretend to knock it down...

[burntmuch]

That 30-06 would get awfully lonesome in the safe. But I agree with , If I could only own one it would be rem 700 30-06

[Swampman]

That's the only bolt gun I have left.  I never used the others.

[Coyote Hunter]

thats right, 257 roberts, 25-06, 257 weatherby, on everything up to elk. the rest will fall very nicley to the 30-06. bears, buff, lions, tigers, tuskers. you name it.  i'll not have my ass handed to me again shooting the magnums.

My .257 Roberts running +P loads is easily my favorite rifle.   If I could have only one rifle, however, it would be the 7mm RM that I started with in 1982 and hunted with for the next 20 years.  The 7mm RM has accounted for prairie dogs, antelope, mule deer and elk. 

As far as recoil, in identical rifles the 7mm RM recoil is the same as a .30-06 and, for many loads, less.

In any case, recoil from the 7mm RM and .300 RM hardly “hand me my ass”.  By comparison to some of my muzzleloader and .45-70 loads, the 7mm RM and .300 WM are quite tame.

[Coyote Hunter]

the younger crowd has been exposed to the gun makers saying the 500 express magnum is what you need to be a hunter that brings game to bag."all of us older guys fell for that". take note to save you cash. a old 30-30 will kill any thing you want.

Nuts.  Nothing wrong with magnums and in fact they have their place.  Nothing wrong with non-magnums either, and they have their place as well.

Frankly, I have and enjoy both.  Most are non magnums but when I want to really reach out there I’ll grab my 7mm RM or .300 WM.

Yup, the .30-30 will kill anything that walks - if you can get close enough, which is not always possible.  I hunt elk and deer with mine but recognize that in terms of retained energy and velocity, what a .30-30 can do with my favorite load (170g Partition RN @ 2200fps) at 150 yards, my favorite .308 Win load (168g TTSX at 2682fps) can do at 550 yards.  Use my .300 WM load (168g TTSX at 3246fps) and the range is 850 yards.

[Sweet 6.5]

OK...quite frankly...ig I had to have only one, it'd be a Rem700 in 06 with a 180gr NoslerP.  But...that's no fun...I mean pronghorn and black buck...an 06 will work fine as will 50 othe calibers.  I dunno...I like to use whatever because I want to, not because I need to. 
Although...cape buff, ele, rhino, african lion and kodiak griz...I'd like a bit more.

And so would experienced hunters. Or someone who maybe didn't want to start arguments.

  and then I get ignored !!(again)

[Sourdough]

 The 30-06 is my favorite carry anytime gun.  I've killed Moose with it using 125gr Speer TNTs.  I've hit Wolves with it out to 700 yards, although I now limit my shots to 500 yards.  Yes I carry big magniums, but they are usually in cases when going in to the hunting camp.  The 30-06 is always on the handlebars ready for action if needed.  I,ve taken Moose, Caribou, Black Bear, Whitetail, Mulies, Elk, Wolves, and Coyotes, with my 30-06.

If I could have only one gun it would be a 30-06.

250 yard shot with my H&R 30-06 Handi Rifle, dropped the Caribou in my Avitar.  Using 180gr Nosler Partition.

[roper]

the younger crowd has been exposed to the gun makers saying the 500 express magnum is what you need to be a hunter that brings game to bag."all of us older guys fell for that". take note to save you cash. a old 30-30 will kill any thing you want.

Don't speak for me I'll be 68 in 3wks.  I love to hunt nothing better than walking in and packing them out and the day I cann't do that I'll quit hunting.  I have to admit I did weaken and purchased one of those game carts last year problem I'm having don't know how to open darn box.

 
My first mag rifle was mid 60's nothing better than a good shooting rifle.

[Savage .250]

I`m to old to change.......nor do I want to.......owning/shooting an 06 is American as it gets.              

[300HH]

I shoot four deer this year with my 25-06 from 100yds to 380yds I'm begining to think I my mags are now my second choice when I reach inside the gun safe.

[Sourdough]

There is a reason the 30-06 is the standard all others are judged by.

[mcwoodduck]

There is a reason the 30-06 is the standard all others are judged by.

Same reason the 375 H&H is the gold standard for everything larger than elk or with Horns, fangs and claws and is considered one of the big 6 and add big bears to that.

[thejeeper]

With all the bullet choices available today, I will take my .270 everywhere, and trust it. It is the original "wildcat" afterall.

[mcwoodduck]

I thought 450/577 was the original wild cat.
Or at least the fist commercial round that took one case and was necked down to make another.

[teddy12b]

I'm so glad to read this since I kinda bought another 30-06 last night.  I put a Remington 750 in 30-06 on order because a guy just needs a semi auto 30-06 to complete the collection.  I have a 30-06 encore single shot, a 30-06 heavy barreled bolt action savage, and soon the semi auto 30-06.  There is something about the 30-06 that makes everyone smile.  I'm never going to hunt in Africa, so this is as big as I need.

I did get caught up in the magnum craze though.  I thought I needed a 300RUM.  The only good that came from that gun was learning to reload and I still have the lead sled.

[Swampman]

There is a reason the 30-06 is the standard all others are judged by.

cause it's de best.

[mcwoodduck]

300 RUM is not Magnum!
It is ULTRA MAGNUM!  
With the current batch of powders and premium bullets you will not need a Mag for your standard hunting.
where the Mags and Ultra mags come into thier own is over distance and for people that do not shoot very far when they practice and reaching out across a bean field to take a deer or across a ravine for a Goat, elk or other is what the 308 Mags (300 Win, WSM, 308 Norma, 300H&H, 300 RUSM, 300 RUM, and 300 WBY) are for.  

[nomosendero]

There is a reason the 30-06 is the standard all others are judged by.

Same reason the 375 H&H is the gold standard for everything larger than elk or with Horns, fangs and claws and is considered one of the big 6 and add big bears to that.

Exactly!!

Besides, I did not see a single person question the 30-06 as the best choice for all-round use in North America at least, some act as they are saying something new here.


But concerning using the 30-06 for any animal on the planet, I feel that anyone who says that actually won't be hunting Elephants, Water Buff and such anyway, so the opinion has no experience behind it and hardly an opinion to follow. It allways pays to refer to those who have been there to get a experienced backed point of view. I believe this is another thread that will have to be locked soon, we shall see.

[teddy12b]

Not trying to burst any bubbles, but didn't Teddy Roosevelt take a 30-06 to Africa?  I had read that he did, but he probably had other guns with him as well.  I don't think anyone was argueing against the 30-06 in the US, or argueing for it in Africa.  These threads do get real old in a hurry though.