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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2010, 05:06:30 AM »
I made an indexing template from a clock face, none of that tedious manual line drawing stuff, just print it.

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2010, 05:41:52 AM »
OK My Micro Bombard is done.

Yes you can make things without a lathe and mill just take your time and think outside the box.

Somewhere in this junk is a cannon


Ok I selected these.


And I ended up with this.



6 inches long fires a .395 ball with a subchamber the link below is to my photobucket album. Lots of photos of the construction

Now lets see the rest of them guys

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2010, 06:00:50 AM »
That's way cool!

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2010, 06:17:18 AM »
Sweet!! ;D

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2010, 06:32:27 AM »
....
Somewhere in this junk is a cannon

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YES !!!

Another true indication of 'the addiction'.

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2010, 08:41:12 AM »
     We think GGaskill and Rickk are correct;  the long chassis could allow the upper carriage's return to battery to abruptly Stop, allowing a shell to start as the gunner is preparing to fire the full size 24 Pdr. Siege & Garrison Howitzer M1844. They probably were cautious to prevent this, and used canister 90% of the time, and Rickk is certainly right about Grade 5 bolts, they make excellent small cannon stock.

    Mike and I, like Carronader and Cat Whisperer, like to see the doers, doing, once in a while.  We are very pleased that so many have chosen to give it a try and look forward to seeing a little smoke and fire coming from these Lilliputian Cannons.  Rifleshooter2,  thanks for all those neat in-process pics and movies too!!  You built a great looking Bombard in record time!

     The pics below show what I have done so far on the Nano-howitzer.  Most of the stock has been filed away and muzzle details will hopefully appear Monday night and cascable details on Tuesday.

     I keep looking at my photo of that carriage and thinking, 'why did I pick THAT one?'  Heck, I think maybe I'll have to build a portion of a flank casemate wall to keep my cannon from looking silly!

Tracy and Mike

P.S.  DD is correct, we did have to cancel Christmas bonuses in 2007 after we sent that original, big bucks, Kewpie Doll to him in South Africa.  He won the first of our, What is it? Where is it? contests, and that one was not easy, as I recall.


We use a large file to remove material which takes us down to the next smaller dia. feature.  The feature gets the smoothing file treatment and a little 240 and 320 grit sandpaper polishing.  Then we go down to the next smaller feature, etc.




As the features get closer together, we go to smaller files.  Files are inexpensive and more variety is certainly better.




This is what an unaltered file looks like as it gets pretty close to the step between the First Reinforce taper and the Base Ring.  A moment of inattention here and you could easily erase a portion of the Base Ring, pushing the step back to the wrong position and making the Base Ring too skinny.




This is what a "Safe Edge File" looks like as it is correctly used in the same situation.  The file's right edge teeth have been removed by stoning or grinding, producing a "Safe Edge", or one that will not cut sideways.  This file is being used to form the First Reinforce taper without worrying about removing metal from the previously formed, Base Ring on the right side.



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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2010, 09:16:37 AM »
Rifle shoot that bombard is awsome !

In that bucket O cannons you got a dandy looking Dalgren in the lower left of the pic.! ;D looks like another quick kewpie to me !
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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2010, 09:42:32 AM »
left headstock!!! Cool!

Reversible drill?

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2010, 10:09:55 AM »
left headstock!!! Cool!

Reversible drill?

    Our hand drill type, unconventional lathe is built backwards with the tailstock to the left and the hand drill headstock to the right, and you are correct, it has to be reversable to work when built like this.  When you are designing your own machine, it's nice to make it the way which suits your style of work.  We like to file to the right, but hate doing that over a whirling lathe-chuck, with it's jaws beating the air and trying to snag you as they do.  When working on full size lathes, we now avoid reaching over the chuck and hold the file handle in our left hand and the tip in our right when we are close to the chuck.  It's much, much safer this way.

We think it's cool too; thanks for noticing.

Tracy and Mike

P.S.  Gary, you are right, that's definitely a Dahlgren hiding in Rifleshooter2's box and Not a Rodman.  Nice to see someone recognizes the difference in profile.
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It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2010, 11:40:23 AM »
Rifle shoot that bombard is awsome !

In that bucket O cannons you got a dandy looking Dalgren in the lower left of the pic.! ;D looks like another quick kewpie to me !

OOOOHHHHH I missed that. That will be this weeks project. I'll use the lathe and mill on that one.
 I really need to get a job so I can stop all this cannon building LOL
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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2010, 01:12:23 PM »


     When working on full size lathes, we now avoid reaching over the chuck and hold the file handle in our left hand and the tip in our right when we are close to the chuck.  It's much, much safer this way.

We think it's cool too; thanks for noticing.

Tracy and Mike
 

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #42 on: January 11, 2010, 12:30:35 AM »
When working on full size lathes, we now avoid reaching over the chuck and hold the file handle in our left hand and the tip in our right when we are close to the chuck.  It's much, much safer this way.

 I wish everyone operating a lathe would do that. There would be a few more arms still attached to their owners.
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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #43 on: January 11, 2010, 03:10:14 AM »
M&T while this is a worthy endeavor you title is misleading.......... "No Lathe" and yet by definition

what you create with the Milwaukee drill is in fact a lathe.........

 
lathe   (lāth)  
n.  A machine for shaping a piece of material, such as wood or metal, by rotating it rapidly along its axis while pressing a fixed cutting or abrading tool against it.
tr.v.   lathed, lath·ing, lathes
To cut or shape on a lathe.  

So how are you building a no lathe Nano Cannon? 

Perhaps it should have been titled "minimal tool build".....
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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #44 on: January 11, 2010, 04:17:21 AM »
I remember a picture posted here just a few weeks ago or so
there "someone" was standing filing in the lathe with his left hand holding the file tip   ;D
its just a pitty that I cant remember where that photo was  ::)
with his left elbow dangerous close to the rotating chuck

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2010, 07:52:02 AM »
Another important safety tip is to always use a file handle on the file. An exposed file tang is dangerous in the event of a kickback.

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #46 on: January 11, 2010, 09:02:15 AM »
     Thank you gentlemen for backing me up on the way to hold a file when filing a rotating workpiece on the lathe.  I do NOT want to turn this thread into a long list of industrial accidents, but if you have the wrong habit as pertains to this subject, change your habit and your fingers, hands and arms will thank you.  Also, Thank You Josco, for the tip on using file handles with each and every file.  You can even injure yourself badly, while working at the bench, by driving an exposed file tang into your wrist, forget about doing that on a lathe!! That's it, no more gruesome stories about accidents!  When I said, "full size lathe" in a previous posting, read that as "Any size Lathe".          Thank you all.

     AND, as for you, KABAR2, I would be inclined to think that GGaskill called you and the conversation when something like this,  "Hey Allen, do you realize that those Seacoast guys are really using a lathe for shaping their Nano Howitzer?  They post, "No-Lathe", but they built a little lathe you know.  I called them on this more than two years ago, but I'm really reluctant to do it again after seeing their big French mortar almost most hit a ground squirrel in Montana last summer.  They CLAIMED they were not aiming for it.  Huh.  Do you think YOU could call them out, this time?" .............. And you did!   ;) ;)  That's O.K., and we accept your dictionary definition, and No, we are not renaming it a "Minimal tool built Nano cannon using an 'electro-magnetic, rotary, drill bit holding device' either.  Sorry, we can be stubborn, sometimes.   :) :)

     Can't wait to see that Armstrong, Allen.  Remember, we have seen some of your work and we know it will look Great and Function, flawlessly.

Tracy and Mike
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I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
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It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #47 on: January 11, 2010, 09:17:44 AM »
 ;D
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« Reply #48 on: January 11, 2010, 12:17:52 PM »
I would be inclined to think that GGaskill called you ...

 ;D ;D  I thought about harassing you about that again but reined myself in.  But it's so obvious that someone else had to do it.   ;D
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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #49 on: January 11, 2010, 07:20:23 PM »
Ah, since the file is being held in the hands,it does not constitute a "fixed" tool. Sorry not a lathe "by defination":)

I like this,
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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2010, 10:12:12 PM »
The Virginia Beach, Virginia Accuser:   :'( :'(

M&T
what you create with the Milwaukee drill is in fact a lathe.........
lathe   (lāth)  
n.  A machine for shaping a piece of material, such as wood or metal, by rotating it rapidly along its axis while pressing a fixed cutting or abrading tool against it.



The Kalispell, Montana Lawyer:     ;) ;)

Ah, since the file is being held in the hands,it does not constitute a "fixed" tool. Sorry not a lathe "by defination":)   ;D ;D ;D ;D

I like this,
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    So, what does all this mean?   It means that right about now I'm thinking I Like the nice cannon maker/lawyer in Kalispell more than the mean cannon maker/instigator in Virginia Beach.  It also means that if I ever have legal problems, I know who to call!

Goodnight to bad Allen and good Mike and everyone else,   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Tracy


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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2010, 10:38:35 PM »
 Lookie there... The cheater cheater lathe-using pumpkin eaters are lawyerin' up.

 Nearly an admission of guilt, methinks!  ;D
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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2010, 10:51:21 PM »
I found this copy of the definition from the Oxford English Dictionary on a machinist forum:

Note: No mention of fixed tools, and in fact the first definition is only that of "a supporting structure."

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« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2010, 10:55:47 PM »
Word smithing has digressed to word lawyering!

WHAT!  Do you want DD to make ANOTHER RULE?    :o
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« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2010, 11:19:19 PM »
Sorry...I'm not a lawyer...please...no more rules... :'(

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2010, 05:46:24 PM »
       Finally got back to the Nano 24 Pdr. Flank Howitzer M1844.  Actually I did yesterday, but I goofed up not just the 1st attempt, but also the 2nd as well.  The photos and captions tell the story better than paragraphs.

I'm staying on this until it's completed.

Tracy


I filed off the little Chase Ring before I could stop on the left side.  The right I used for practice after the Muzzle Swell went undersize.




Here I am practicing creating the little radius on the left side of the Muzzle Swell with a rat-tail file.




Smoothing the roughing filed 1st Reinforce with an inexpensive flat diamond file.  Despite the name you can get a 5-pc. set for $12.




I gave that surface 8 licks and took another photo to show how fast these diamond files cut.




Just about all the large file scratches are gone after 16 licks.  It's right at 180 grit wet and dry paper finish now.




Working on the third one here, bringing the angled cascabel down by eye and working on the neck and knob tomorrow.




The 1st Reinforce taper, the Chase taper, the Chase Ring and the Muzzle Swell is done, but the bit of the Chase between the two rings is still .020" oversize.




Here I carefully use a small, square-section, diamond file to bring down that in-between diameter to .319".



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I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
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It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

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« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2010, 01:50:51 PM »
Looking good guys. Glad to see you got back to it again. I can't wait to see her finished.

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2010, 03:02:11 PM »
Tracy it is looking good  :) , lots of progress between the 5th pic and the last three ! More filing tonight ?

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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #58 on: January 27, 2010, 04:17:25 AM »
Ah, since the file is being held in the hands,it does not constitute a "fixed" tool. Sorry not a lathe "by defination":)

I like this,
MikeR C

Actually the earliest lathes did not use "Fixed" tools and to this day a lathe designed to turn wood uses hand held tooling
and yet it is a lathe. so the argument does not hold.


there is a line in Shakspear "Me thinks she protests too much"  my single post generated not one but two posts by M&T
about this and I have even been called  "BAD ALLEN" !  :'(  I am sorry for ruffing some peoples Plumage, I just put the question forth because I have seen barrels tapered and formed with out a lathe maybe I will have to goe build a little cannon without a lathe just because..... it can be done........

M&T your cannon is looking good keep up the good work.


Allen the "BAD" :'(
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Re: 2nd Nano-Cannon Arms Race.........We Build a No-Lathe, No-Mill Nano Cannon
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2010, 05:25:51 AM »
what is it that say that a barrel must have a circular cross section ?
I have seen octangular barrels

try to make that one on a manual lathe  ;D
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