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H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« on: January 08, 2010, 02:35:24 PM »
 I Have a NEF Pardner 12ga ss and Mossberg 500 pump. But, now I thinking about a good all a round rifle caliber for hunting only. I love my NEF so I was thinking a single shot rifle to match.
 I am thinking 30-06 or 308 , but I am not sold on either one. What I am looking for is easy to get ammo and a caliber that will take down any thing in North America that is in Handi rifle form. I will be mainly be hunting deer with it, but I want to be able to take big game also.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2010, 02:47:55 PM »
John, I have both,but if I had to go with just one it would be the 30-06. Lots of ammo around. You can go from 130gr. to 220gr. who could ask for more.  Good Luck Tom  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2010, 02:53:19 PM »
not enough difference to quibble about between the two but 30-06 ammo  is more available and cheaper.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2010, 02:57:47 PM »
45/70?  ;D You knew it was coming...
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2010, 03:01:11 PM »
 I have long said if I had to live with but one center-fire rifle it would be either a 30/06 or a 7mm Remington magnum. the deciding factor would be if I was on one of our coasts or in the center of the country. Long range shots leaning to the magnum. Even then, its a very close comparison.

Choose the 30/06 government..

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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2010, 03:09:45 PM »
I'd choose the 30-06, especially if you hand load.  There is lots of versatility in that cartridge.  Jacketed bullets are available from 110 grains to 220.  You can even shoot .22 saboted rounds.  Loads can run the spectrum from light youth loads up to arm smashers.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2010, 03:18:11 PM »
im gonna say .308, if it every becomes cheap to get again surplus ammo was a good buy.
sadly they tend to stick a bit in mine.

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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2010, 03:46:03 PM »
I have both and they are more the same than different. I have had fun with bullets as light as Hornady 100 grain short jackets to as heavy as 220 grain round nose. For varmints (coyotes) I especially like the Hornady 110 grain V-Max. For deer I get the best accuracy from the 165 grain BTSP Hornady Interlock in both rifles.

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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2010, 03:53:28 PM »
Quote from: torpedoman on January 08, 2010, 02:53:19 PM
not enough difference to quibble about between the two but 30-06 ammo  is more available and cheaper.

 30-06 is cheaper ? Where do you live cause I'll move there and buy a 30-06. 308 is $10 a box for wolf 150gr fmj and most stuff at wally world is 12-14 a box. almost ever country in the world has some kind of 308 in it,s military arsenal. and you can shoot the sabotted 22 in a 308 also. But I do agree there is not enough to quible about between the two.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2010, 04:24:47 PM »
Brass for either one is easy to scrounge at gun ranges.  Handload either one for a pittance.  308 is slighly cheaper to reload...06 is slightly more versatile. 

Flip a coin.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2010, 04:44:42 PM »
my 30-06 handi shoots all kinds of ammo good, and around here in michigan the cost between the two is neglible, i went to the store with the intention of buying a .308, but i dont handload so the more i started thinking about it there was a wider range of 30-06 factory loads so i went with the 06 and i'm glad i did because the gun refuses to disappoint me.

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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2010, 04:45:46 PM »
My choice is .308. I have had both, but in this Country's situation at this time the .308 Wins hands down.
It still is a current Military round. Did they bring out the M1's from storage or the M14's for use in Iraq by the Marines ? What round does the M-60 use ? And the Dillon Aero multi-barrel piece ?

My Handi/308 barrel wears both iron & optical sights. ;)
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2010, 05:39:02 PM »
All good points. But, because your criteria included any game animal in North america, the clear winner is the .30-06. This is purely because of it's increased performance with heavier bullets. I have shot both for decades...Military, Law Enforcement and hunting. The .308 usually has the edge when it comes to accuracy, but when you are hunting big game with a hunting rifle you'll never notice the difference. Short of REALLY big bears it would be a toss-up.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2010, 05:51:45 PM »
I have both, tho not in Handi Rifles. Here is my experience with these two rifles.
One is 30-06 sportered 03 springfield, the other a Remington 600 in 308.

The 30-06 is much easier to load for. Every bullet works and every powder works. The 308
is finicky with powder.

The 308 in bolt action is lighter.

The 30-06 is more accurate.

I use the 308 for deer (but not as much as my 30-40 krag Handi rifle)
I use the 30-06 for elk and longer range hunting.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2010, 05:56:26 PM »
30-06. Just because I love the cartridge.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2010, 06:44:46 PM »
Having shot many rounds through both, I would have to pick the 308 Win for accuracy, which many will disagree, and they may be right. I only shot between 3k and 5k rounds of each per year for a while, it was just my findings, but the 06 does have the advantage since you can get most any factory loading for the job at hand, and at any store that sells ammo. Not so with the 308 Win. Just what I have noticed.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2010, 12:14:08 AM »
I have several of each .  A Win 70, a Ruger #1, a Garand, and some 1903's in 30-06; and a Handi, a Rem 7, a M1A SOCOM, and a DSA FN in .308.  I still favor the Rem model 7 for a deer rifle.  It's light, accurate, compact.  The .308 has less recoil too.  

BTW, the M60 has been replaced by the 240B made by FN - still a belt-fed 7.62 NATO (.308) though.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2010, 12:51:08 AM »
30-06 for hunting only. Gives more options. Ammo cost is not a consideration for hunting big game IMHO. .308 for general use, including blasting at the range.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2010, 01:31:55 AM »
 Well looks like the 30-06 for me. It looks like 30-06 ammo is easy to get anywhere and the take down power sounds like it might be a little better.
  Thanks y'all
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 Who knows might get both later on.
 
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2010, 01:57:22 AM »
in a single shot...30-06...maybe 308 if yer talkin bolt guns and want the short action....but the 06 handles the heavy bullets a little better so i'd say it's a little more versatile in a single shot. The deer won't know the difference
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2010, 02:29:25 AM »
I have both but if I could only have one, and since I reload, it would be the 30-06 without question or hesitation....<><....:)

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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2010, 02:51:15 AM »
Quote from: zoner on January 09, 2010, 01:57:22 AM
in a single shot...30-06...maybe 308 if yer talkin bolt guns and want the short action....but the 06 handles the heavy bullets a little better so i'd say it's a little more versatile in a single shot. The deer won't know the difference

I agree. Until someone invents a "short action" single shot break action rifle why choose the shorter cartridge?
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2010, 03:06:49 AM »
30-06

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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2010, 03:32:26 AM »
According to my reloading manuals, the 150 gn bullet is the break point for these cartridges. There isn’t much difference in velocity for bullets below 150 gn in ether cartridge, though the .308 wouldn’t have as much air space than the 30-06. At 150 gn and above the 30-06 shows it’s larger case advantage. It will push the heaver bullets better than the .308 can. I personally like to shot big heavy bullets at slower speeds (i.e. 30-30 with 180gn or 30-40 with 220 gn) but a 30-06 can do this better than a .308. Lefty Dude is correct about .308, but you could install a chamber adapter to shot .308, it’s not as accurate but better than throwing a rock.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2010, 04:33:34 AM »
Well, cart-a-ges is like wimmins...  ;D

If ya got two a them, and you got to choose between 'em, which don't make no sence no way, keep 'em both.  It's easy with guns, they don't get all bent outa shape if you use another one...   8)

Anyway, if you got to choose, and the only differences is stuff like one may do a little more then the other but the other is more available but they both 'bout the best they is at what they do... shoot man!  You ain't got no problem!   ::)

'minds me ofa joke... This rich feller decides to get married ( I started it like that so's you'ld  know it was a joke...) But anyway, he decides to marry one a three wimmins.  He gives each one of the three some cash to see which one does best with his money.  They all do great.  Sooooo, he marries the one with the biggest breasts...

Are you listening son!?  Do you hear what I'm tellin ya?  Do you get my point boy!?   ;)

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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2010, 05:33:38 AM »
I will soon be loading 200 gr. leads for my Handi/.308. They are laser-cast GC's.

I'll let ya'all know how they Fly. ;)

I know with the longer neck of the .06 & Krag the bullet support is much better. But I'll give it a go.

The test will be 200 yards at the Ben Avery range in Phoenix. I doubt they would let me use the 1000 yard range as they are rebuilding the shooting line berm which is only 100 yards from the Highway. We have one of the few 1000 yard ranges left in the Country now.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2010, 05:34:35 AM »
Well, I talked to my buddy Mikie a while back.  I respect Mikie's oppinion on all things shooting almost as much as I do my own.  I asked him if I were to buy a 'one rifle', all around cartridge in a handi, what would be his recommendation?  I was very surprised when he said without hesitation, .308!  I asked him about it and his response was simply that it was enough, and being a military cartridge, it was available anywhere and always would be.  So I went right out and bought a 7-08 Handi!  (Sorry, it was a deal)  It's a simple choice really.  The common thought is to chose a .308 first, unless I were to primarily hunt elk and moose then the 30-06.  For my own use, and for an elk or moose hunt, I will just chose appropriate bullets for my 7-08.  You need to remember that with todays bullets, a 165 gr partition .30 cal, can do what was expected from a 200 gr 30-06 softnose in the past.  So the difference is really neglible, it's all in choosing the best bullet for the job.  With today's hi tech bullets and proper bullet placement, you can cleanly take big game with much smaller cartridges that what were considered appropriate in the past.  I've read of many Elk hunters whose main cartridge was the .270 for many years.  They just chose appropriate bullets for the job at hand.  44 Man
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2010, 07:14:23 AM »
Quote from: 44 Man on January 09, 2010, 05:34:35 AM
 So the difference is really neglible, it's all in choosing the best bullet for the job.  With today's hi tech bullets,,,,

Well said 44 Man, that's my take exactly. I've had 06' for a long time and have trusted it for all that time, but I'm now into 308. Someone else said less kick,,OK I agree.
If someone held 1 of each in front of me and said pick one,,I'd hafta flip a coin, heads 06', tails 08'..let it fall where it may.
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2010, 07:16:18 AM »
I like em Both! I only hunt with reloads but have found that even in Factory ammo not much diff and sometimes the 08 beets the 06. I find Factory ammo to be close in price 08 about 1$ cheaper. The 08 loves win748 and the 06 loves imr4350 ( my findings) The 08 will keep up to the 06 with bullets up to 165gr I put lot's of bullets through the Croney. You used to be able to get 200gr factory loads for the .308 but they don't seem to make them anymore? 06 is better with the 200-220gr bullet but to me both are not as good as a good 180gr for big game, unless your shooting one of the .300 mags.
Bottom line they are both great! But the 8x57 is Perfect ;D The father of both too, ya the 7 was first but the 8 is king
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Re: H&R 30-06 vs 308? (If its your only rifle.)
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2010, 07:23:51 AM »
Quote from: 44 Man on January 09, 2010, 05:34:35 AM
Well, I talked to my buddy Mikie a while back.  I respect Mikie's oppinion on all things shooting almost as much as I do my own.  I asked him if I were to buy a 'one rifle', all around cartridge in a handi, what would be his recommendation?  I was very surprised when he said without hesitation, .308!  I asked him about it and his response was simply that it was enough, and being a military cartridge, it was available anywhere and always would be.  So I went right out and bought a 7-08 Handi!  (Sorry, it was a deal)  It's a simple choice really.  The common thought is to chose a .308 first, unless I were to primarily hunt elk and moose then the 30-06.  For my own use, and for an elk or moose hunt, I will just chose appropriate bullets for my 7-08.  You need to remember that with todays bullets, a 165 gr partition .30 cal, can do what was expected from a 200 gr softnose in the past.  So the difference is really neglible, it's all in choosing the best bullet for the job.  With today's hi tech bullets and proper bullet placement, you can cleanly take big game with much smaller cartridges that what were considered appropriate in the past.  I've read of many Elk hunters whose main cartridge was the .270 for many years.  They just chose appropriate bullets for the job at hand.  44 Man
Very nice! I have a soft spot for my 7x57 too and the .280 the twin to the .270 except she has a bigger rack lol. I have always used Noslers in all my Elk hunting rifles with every thing, but the .375 that I use the big Seirra in. I have seen more Elk shot with a .270 than any other gun they all ended up in the freezer.
The 7/08 is just as good too
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