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What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« on: January 11, 2010, 05:53:15 AM »
If a candidate had guts enough to run on corporate reform and transparency of ownership Do you think they would have a dogs chance of winning?

Corporate reform where coorporations get no loop holes that allowed them to take deductions for non operateing expense items. Give the coorporations the "same rules as the wage earner", invest and grow after taxes.

Transparency of all corporate ownership both public and private, expose the connections that create the control structure.

Make coorporations have the same responsibilities as citizens rather than immunity from responsibility.

Make constitutional ammendments to keep corporate and banking rules from being destroyed once they are in place as the rules made after the crash of 1929 were removed to cause "banks that are too big to fail".

What else would we need?

We certainly wouldn't get any of this from either party in power now.

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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2010, 05:56:53 AM »
An Independent hasn't got a snowballs chance in hell to win the Presidency. Everyone is too busy voting for the "lessor of two evils" because the Independent just doesn't have enough support to win. ::)
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2010, 06:03:53 AM »
Truely, this is a fantacy quest but lets use our imaginations. This would surely be a more productive mental endeavor than watching most of todays TV programing. Or is that our problem? eddie
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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2010, 06:06:01 AM »
Last real run by a 3rd party was old Ross Perot.
I think we remember what happened then. ;D
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2010, 06:11:50 AM »
Yep, but ole Ross flaked out, not the voters. He was looking like he had a real good chance. eddie
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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2010, 06:24:58 AM »
i would love to see it happen...a person with integrity and honor that would govern with the people in his heart and the nation as well. just ain't gonna happen.

if such a person does exist and in fact runs for president or other offices he will most likely fail as all before him have.

the system is set against their success money mony and more money in the hundreds of millions to run a successful national campain. just ain't gonna happen.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2010, 06:35:50 AM »
Yes, a third party candidate could get elected. Then what? Are we really idealistic AND naive enough to think that the powers that be wouldn't unite long enough to show us ignorant voters what a baaaaaaddddd choice we had made? Talk about bipartisanship.
Oh but the voters wouldn't allow that! Yeah right. Good luck with that.
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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2010, 06:39:35 AM »
Redtail, that is exactly why I am talking about the platform of corporate and banking reform. If it (the platform) was successfull the power could be wrested back by the people/citizens and put in place rules to help prevent the reocuring cycle of robber barrons . It would be a true grass roots campaign.

The "powers that be" can't out vote us.

It is the difference in what is and what could be. Just how stuped must we admit we are?

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2010, 07:08:27 AM »
that would involve a cooperative House and Senate, Chance for that are Nil unless all of these august members are looking into a gun muzzle.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2010, 07:18:42 AM »
Now there's a thought ;)

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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2010, 07:20:56 AM »
If someone that ran on this platform won president, cahnging the cabinets would be a cake walk. Those guys would preform like the proverbial sinking rats.
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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2010, 09:39:52 AM »
Wasn't that about what obama promised without the specifics of how he was gonna do it?

What we seem to forget is that the prez doesnt' make law that's Congress' job and it would be they not him who'd have to do ALL those things you mention so a presidential candidate running saying he's gonna do all those things is automatically a liar as it will not be within his power to do so.

What needs to be done is to start locally and work up replacing the folks who are not doing what they are supposed to do. Representatives are elected every two years ALL of them. They are the first that can be taken out at the national level and once it's shown to them the public is willing and able to do that the Senate at least those who still have some decency left in them will come around and the rest can be replaced within six years. If you start moving good folks in at the local level first then you'll have good qualified candidates to move into national offices. It HAS TO START LOCALLY to be successful.


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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2010, 10:24:31 AM »
We need to look for a 3rd party candidate that will suck votes and $ AWAY from liberals.
What we need to look at is creating a sham leftist 3rd party that will appeal to the Democrat fringe or and do to them what Ross Perot did to Bush Sr. and ellected Bill Clinton with a wopping 33% vote that he called a maindate to do evil socialist things to our country.
One of the things we need to do is explain Moderate and centrist (Hillary)
they are not in the center of the political arena but between the Socialists (McCain) of the far left and the Communists (Pelosi, Obama, Reid) of the farther left.  
We need to get the message across to people that
More laws = fewer freedoms
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Lower Taxes = More Tax dollars collected
Lower taxes = More investement in the economy
Lower taxes = lower costs
Lower costs = Lower prices
Lower Prices = More goods demanded
More goods = More production
More production = higher wages
Higher wages = more consumption
Higher consumption = more new goods
New goods = more jobs that lead to higher, higher wages
Higer wages = higher taxes collected at lower rates.
Would you rather have 25% of 100 million or 5% 100 billion?  The morons in government do not understand that there is an inverse function of taxes and the economy and tax dollars collected.

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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2010, 02:10:55 PM »
Give wage earning citizens the same rights and privilidges as coorporations and hold coorporations to the same responsibilities as citizens. Don't put a productive wage earner at a disadvantage to a coorporation.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2010, 03:10:02 PM »
A corp is a person under the law and actually the profits of the corp are double taxed.
They are taxed as profits and then taxed again as income to the owners of the company (share Holders)
If a person were to make 100,000 they would pay 33% in taxes.
If a corp were to make 100,000 they would end up paying 60+% in taxes as the money goes through the owner.
33% tax as a person and more as income to the share holder 14 to 20% and we are talking federal only.
And those taxes or costs are added into the cost of the good or service.  As an owner you want to make X dollars after taxes to pay your bills,  You will work out your pricing so that you add in your taxes, over head, staff, and product costs into your price.  When people say corperations don't pay taxes they don't they are built into the cost of the good that you as a consumer pay.  If those taxes were lower then the price would be lower leaving you more $ to purchase items you want (first rule of economics unlimited wants limited resources)  2nd rule is a price is only as high as what people are willing and able to pay.  Would I pay $1 million for a super (what ever product) car, house on the beach, hunting farm... What ever.  Yep!  if it is the best I am all over it.  Am I able to pay $1 Million for it.  Nope.  Do I want that Item if I ever were able to .. Yep.
Lowering the taxes on corperate income would increase investment in corperations and create welth that can be used or pased on.
Lowering the taxes on corperate income would lower the cost of the goods creating higher demand for the good by a demand shift, almost like having a cheaper subsitute good.  
Your 401K, pension plan or other stock market based savings is being double taxed.  If it were only taxed at ONE level you would grow wealth faster.  Be more likely to invest that would create more jobs and raise incomes.
I really hate when you get the class envy crap that is used by the communists / leftists that goes against basic Macro Econ 101 stuff.
If I knew how to draw graphs on this thing I could teach a 2 minute Econ lesson every day.  All higher taxes do is hurt the poor.  It will stop upward movement, kill invention, kill innovation, kill technoligy, and kill wages.
What we need more than a 3rd party is a 30 second professor on the TV every night explaining basic Econ and Con Law like the education Rock used to do about how a bill becomes a law and conjunction junction to teach the illiterates how to speak.  if people were informed about these two subjects the Pinko commie bed wetters in congress and the white house would not be able to ... well they never would have been there in the first place if people understood that you can not tax and spend into a recovery.

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2010, 03:12:36 PM »
I don't believe that a third party canidate can win the White House in this country as long as we have the type of government we currently have.
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« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2010, 03:35:46 PM »
Swamp, I don't think third party can win as long as the voters are as indoctrinated and brain washed as they are. They have given up thinking for themselves (whom are they listening to?). Sounds like the Founding Fathers core values for sure. TRUE AMERICAN SPIRIT!!!

McDuck, After the research and developement deductions are taken the part left to tax doesn't matter. If a wage earner wants to build a BBQ stand he has to do it from what he saves from his after tax earnings (profits). Give Joe Paycheck the same rules as coorporations, and vice versa,  ever which way it goes.

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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2010, 03:45:25 PM »
I'd like to see as part of a 3rd party platform, 1 each representative is paid the average wage of their state, 2 they are on the same health care plan as all other government employees, 3 one term only, 4 no pension and the pension for all former legislators is gone, 5 they are not allowed to work for anyone or any entity that gave finacial support to their campaign or party.

I am sure their are some more common sencee things we can add to the platform.
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2010, 04:04:38 PM »
Thank you billy_56
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2010, 04:35:40 AM »
There has never been a better time for a third party candidate to take the presidency. I'm not cutting the republicans any slack after what they did during the GW Bush presidency. I don't forget that kind of abuse so easily.
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2010, 06:17:19 AM »
same wages as the rest of the stiffs? no opp[ortunity to "...better oneself for Government Service?" nobody will run.

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2010, 08:38:11 AM »
Redtail I can't see nobody running as a bad thing. If nobody runs we'll do it like jury duty. I would bet we would get better people in congress like that.
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2010, 08:48:48 AM »
same wages as the rest of the stiffs? no opp[ortunity to "...better oneself for Government Service?" nobody will run.

No body but wealthy patriots like the founding fathers!  we certainly dont need social climbers and career politicians
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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2010, 12:04:10 PM »
Corporate reform where coorporations get no loop holes that allowed them to take deductions for non operateing expense items. Give the coorporations the "same rules as the wage earner", invest and grow after taxes.

I don't know anything about the amounts other corporations/businesses pay, but the one I work for gets milked from the Fed taxes and regulations (regulations cost as much as taxes, they did that purposely) and the State slams them with a bunch more.  They pay so much in taxes and regs there does not seem to be much left over for everything else, including people that work there.  Transparency is fine with me, unless it's private...why should a private business be anyone elses business in the land of the free? 

Far as investing and growing after taxes...what if there is nothing left to invest???  I know we need a "bad guy"....but let's not get too carried away where people work. 



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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2010, 12:08:42 PM »
jimster, sounds like your company needs to do more research and developement. eddie
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2010, 12:40:19 PM »
Does that cost a lot?  LOL!

My point is, we pay too much already.  Way too much. Getting it from both Feds and State...and there seems to be lots of people that agree with us paying through the nose and seem to think we owe them our money somehow...to the point where most have left Michigan.  Thumping businesses with lots of taxes and regs doesn't work so well.  If it worked, nobody would have left to find tax friendly States.  Or just shut down altogether.  

Nobody operates in the red for long, they go away.  Exception is GM...they decided we would pay for them to operate in the red.
I sit by finance in our company...we get raped every way you can think of with taxes.  Sounds like people out there like that.  Too bad...in the end there won't be any businesses.  All in the name of "giving our fair share"...I'm sure.

Let's see...Congress has passed legislation before to tax the wealthy and make people feel good...one of them was called the "gift tax"...so all my vacation pay and bonuses that I get from our company there is a nice big tax added on that grabs almost half my pay right out of my check.  Legislation passed for the little guy to feel good...until he finds out that anything they pass against anyone = you too.  Doesn't matter if you own a pizza place...you get slammed.

I say back off any buisness still operating...which are not many in this State.  It's not working. Taking gobs of money from a business and then telling them hey, I guess you need to do some research and developement sounds like our governor....God bless her clueless little soul.  

Our company will pay employees what it can afford, it always does...if you take their profits, they will not. If you take enough of them, they will go away for good.  You can't pass legislation that makes them stay and operate in the red, you will never have that power. They can lay off, shut down, or move out anytime they please.  And so will we if they don't get off our backs.  
 

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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2010, 01:57:35 PM »
An Independent hasn't got a snowballs chance in hell to win the Presidency. Everyone is too busy voting for the "lessor of two evils" because the Independent just doesn't have enough support to win. ::)

Staying on message is one of your strong points Dee. See, you said you were going to give up on this political stuff. Don't. :)
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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2010, 02:01:35 PM »
I do think it would help if we could get some 3rd party candidates in congressional or senate seats. These are much more important than the white house. Its too bad the 3rd party candidate who recently ran for the NY congressional seat came so darn close.
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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2010, 02:06:40 PM »
An Independent hasn't got a snowballs chance in hell to win the Presidency. Everyone is too busy voting for the "lessor of two evils" because the Independent just doesn't have enough support to win. ::)

Staying on message is one of your strong points Dee. See, you said you were going to give up on this political stuff. Don't. :)

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Re: What 3rd Prty Presidential Platform Might win ?
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2010, 02:21:52 PM »

Re: What 3rd Party Presidential Platform might win?

eddiegjr


I'd vote for a platform comprised of "God, Guns and Guts"!

All of which is sorely lacking in the current administration!
    Ray