I own land in Tioga county. I have a close friend that comes up from VA to hunt with me. Before this year his only buck was an 8pt that he had taken on my place two years before. This year he shot a 12 point buck, that field dressed 175 lbs. This is one that would not have been around if someone had shot him as an 18 month old, and who I am sure did a lot of breeding. I am all for the antler restrictions, we have better bucks then we ever did. Shotgunner