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SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« on: January 17, 2010, 09:58:39 PM »
Huh? I just read that its illegal to shed hunt in californias forests!
more specificly to collect & or remove any article of wilderness or wilderness relation from the forest!
Its also illegal to wonder off hiking trails. This one I understand because trompin all over the vegitation destroys the beuty of the forest.( how are we supposed to hunt then?) deer tromp the wilderness.
shed hunting being illegal? GOOD LUCK ENFORCING THAT!
Critters eat them, I get that, but come on, This is my way of studying deer, excuse to be in the woods & is a major part of my outdoor hobby at this time of my life & refuse to even aknowledge this as even a suggestion!
especialy when the rest of the country allows it!

OK, I'll leave the sheds that are more than 2 years old or ones that have visable chew marks on them but I'm taking the fresh ones!... & realy unique ones no matter how old. I dont need a bunch of chewed up ones taking up space I dont have.

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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2010, 01:47:59 AM »
 It's no surprise to me that there is a mass exodus out of the state Califusion. My only problem is that many are moving to Texas and trying to make parts of Texas like California. The people of California should either take their state back from the goofiness of Hollywood, and liberal hacks, or just give the whole damn thing back to Mexico whom owned it in the first place.
It's like Texas. Mexico CLAIMED Texas for four hundred years, but had less than 3,000 settlers. They were afraid of Apaches, and Comanches, and they should have been. They were dispised by both parties, and Mexico just wanted the money it could rake out of Texas anyway. Santa Anna made a deal with a white boy named Stephen F. Austin and BOOM! 35,000+ settlers the first 2 years.
QUESTION! Why the hell did we take El Paso and Laredo too? :-\
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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2010, 01:53:54 AM »
Va. has the same type law . We can't even pick up dead deer on the side of the road to use for dog food . Or any other critter for that matter . Well at least we can't get caught doing it .
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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2010, 03:10:37 AM »
I'm sure the road killed deer pickup ban is blamed on SAFETY, and to an extent I can see that. There are some real idiots in this world that would block traffic or CREATE a hazard doing it, BUT! If it could be done safely it would seem more cost efficient than paying a state worker to do something that Joe Blow citizen is willing to do for the deer.
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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2010, 03:27:25 AM »
With all the cut backs here deer lay on the side of the road until they rot away or the buzzards eat them . I know game wardens that will tag them so dog owners can use them in some places but others won't .
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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2010, 05:18:29 AM »
Everything in California is either illegal or taxed. Nothing new here.  Move along,nothing to see.

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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2010, 10:51:04 AM »
Nothing stupid done by or in CA surprises me.  :o

Still I believe most western states prohibit picking up of sheds on public lands. I believe it's in WY that they have a bit antler round up on public land each year conducted by the boy scouts or some such group with revenue from what is sold going to them or perhaps partly to them and the rest to the state.


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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2010, 11:31:49 AM »
yeah this state is a joke. I dont pay any attention to most any laws anymore. theres no point.
Without enforcment its meerly a suggestion! A suggestion I laugh at histaricly.

Its jackson hole WY that has a MASSIVE shed hunt each spring but I think they might have a specific open & closed season to do it in. Theres a video of it on youtube that shows a caravan of vehicles for over a mile long! same in montana somewhere.

I just met my twin last nite & now I finaly got someone to shed hunt with year round along with popin a few song dogs every once in a while! I cant believe how much alike we are. he wing shoots more than anything but I'm getting him into deer & yote hunting & hes getting me into wing shooting.
Its a win win sitchyation! ::)

shed hunting illegal... HA!

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« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2010, 02:24:19 PM »
Okay Hunter Fisherman:

Show us the section of the law you are talking about, and where it applies. 
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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2010, 03:18:10 PM »
Okay Hunter Fisherman:

Show us the section of the law you are talking about, and where it applies. 


I went on the U.S forest service web page & read it there. If you want to go on a easter egg hunt for the info yourself feel free. Right now, I dont have the time to find it again.

I have heard from numerous people that it is illegal to remove anything from the forest without permit or permission. & just recently a man who does preditor, rodent & pest control for a living (paid by the state) in and around the towns in the mountains told me that it is illegal. He felt pretty strongly about it but I told him it aint gunna stop me!

If I do find where I read this I will post it but dont hold your breath.

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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2010, 04:00:39 PM »
Back in earlier days a number of Game Refuges were created in the State of California to protect and allow the deer herd to expand.  In many areas the efforts were successful.  In many cases the refuges were created on National Forest, Bureau of Land Management, Indian, and private lands with the cooperation of the landowners.  In my youth I hunted one of these former refuges, which was made up of a large number of ranches, BLM, and a small chunk on NF Lands.  This refuge was dissolved after WWII. 

The signing of the boundaries of the State Game Refuges is the responsibility of the State.  The other owners of the land do not have the funding to place or maintain signs.  In fact the Federal agencies spend a large amount of money replacing signs involving their management at a substantial cost to the taxpayer.  Signing is not routinely replaced now days with smaller budgets.  In fact vandalized signs on freeways are not being replaced.

I like your idea of volunteering; you should call or contact the F&G Region Office in your area.  Unfortunately volunteers need a certain level of supervision.  The F&G wardens in my area post the state refuge boundary.  Unfortunately the F&G is down more than 100 Warden positions, and signing is one of those nice to do items when you are working 24/7.

Here is a list of phone numbers to call.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/regions/

Because the placement of signs on a Refuge boundary will involve legal issues when a trespasser is caught they may not want to expose you to possible legal action. 

May I suggest a possible project?  Walk the boundary of the refuge using a gps in track mode.  Create a Waypoint at each sign you find.  Take a photo of the sign, and any other descriptive information you feel is important.  Submit your project with waypoints, data, and pictures to the F&G.  Because of the budget you may not get signing but you might get some attention.

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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2010, 09:15:56 PM »
Back in earlier days a number of Game Refuges were created in the State of California to protect and allow the deer herd to expand.  In many areas the efforts were successful.  In many cases the refuges were created on National Forest, Bureau of Land Management, Indian, and private lands with the cooperation of the landowners.  In my youth I hunted one of these former refuges, which was made up of a large number of ranches, BLM, and a small chunk on NF Lands.  This refuge was dissolved after WWII. 

The signing of the boundaries of the State Game Refuges is the responsibility of the State.  The other owners of the land do not have the funding to place or maintain signs.  In fact the Federal agencies spend a large amount of money replacing signs involving their management at a substantial cost to the taxpayer.  Signing is not routinely replaced now days with smaller budgets.  In fact vandalized signs on freeways are not being replaced.

I like your idea of volunteering; you should call or contact the F&G Region Office in your area.  Unfortunately volunteers need a certain level of supervision.  The F&G wardens in my area post the state refuge boundary.  Unfortunately the F&G is down more than 100 Warden positions, and signing is one of those nice to do items when you are working 24/7.

Here is a list of phone numbers to call.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/regions/

Because the placement of signs on a Refuge boundary will involve legal issues when a trespasser is caught they may not want to expose you to possible legal action. 

May I suggest a possible project?  Walk the boundary of the refuge using a gps in track mode.  Create a Waypoint at each sign you find.  Take a photo of the sign, and any other descriptive information you feel is important.  Submit your project with waypoints, data, and pictures to the F&G.  Because of the budget you may not get signing but you might get some attention.



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1st. you replied to the wrong thread. (thats ok)

2nd. I have walked the line hundreds & hundreds of times while hunting,hiking & scouting & there isnt a single sign anywhere or fence & very few trees to even put signs on. Its around 95% of nothin but 10ft tall bushes.
they would have to be put on metal stakes.

The fence I was speaking of (in the thread I posted on this subject) is anywhere from about a mile right up to crossing over it and continueing on away from it. I havent the slightest idea of what its purpose was when built. Its pretty old & so overgrown with shrubs in places that I have walked close to 80 yards in several places along the fence without seeing it so its been there for quite some time.

But anyways back to the subject of this thread.
It didnt state "word for word" that you cant shed hunt & I have'nt either. thats why I titled it as a question, then stated that I "read" that it was illegal, which was interpreted in my own words.
I now see how that might have been confusing.
The article I read stated that It is prohibited to remove any article of national forest or forest property without permit or permission. It went on to talk about a few things like fire wood removal & other things permissable to remove with the possesion of a valid permit & then listed things that are not to be removed like indian artifacts & various other historical artifacts, certain plants & flowers, critters like the horny toad & animal parts, such as anything discarded by an animal.
the next few sentences spoke specificly about bald & golden eagle feathers.

The way I interpreted what I read would "suggest" that shed antlers fall into the catagory of things NOT to be removed from national forests.(kind of a gray area)
Along with the opinions of those claiming that its illegal & are clearly not shed hunters, I as of now believe that it is illegal. But still could care less.
Until I see the squirrel population take a big hit & drop dramaticly in numbers (which wouldnt be a bad thing actualy) then I am going to continue to shed hunt till I'm board with it. I dont sell them & when I am done using them for home decor, I will probably return them to the forest in a place that I see fit where others will most likely not find them unless a coyote carries it to a visable location.
The only person of any association to athourity whom has told me that they dont see why it would be a problem was the women working at the forest service office. (which has shed antlers on display all over the building) ???
I think it all depends on who you ask or opinions of the individual or individuals that enforce regulations.
forest service may say its ok but forest police may not. I have trouble trusting female office workers who only deals with papper work & not the information contained & never go into the forest because they say its too dirty. They are so busy with information on parks, camp sites, hiking trails, dirt road access, fire & shooting restrictions & permits
(only things that make them money) that they dont dael with things of this subject. Im not sexist but Their wildlife biologist is female too & couldnt answer questions about hunting because she's an animal lover & has never been hunting so she didnt know much & was unable to help me last time on the subject of hunting.
Thats why I said that they need to hire me so I can inform the public of the info they seek & or need to know to remain within the boundries of the rules & regulations. I am going to look into taking a college course on such subjects pertaining to the outdoors,wilderness, wildlife & wilderness enhancement. As someone wrote in this or my other thread about what was said by someone in an almanac. It realy does feel good to enhance the quality of the wilderness.
I cherish it, It is very important to my life & is not replaceable other than with time & mother nature.

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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2010, 01:57:23 PM »
I just found this in the Q & A on the fish&game website. Its a couple years old but it claims its legal so I'm getting an equal amount of opinions from both sides.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/QandA/2008/20080828.asp

I wonder if its just in "national forest" that it might be illegal. ???


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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2010, 07:23:32 PM »
Normally if a certain activity is not allowed it is spelled out in a special Forest Order under Code of Federal Regulations Title 36 Part 261, subsection b.

Before I responded to your earlier post I checked the websites for the Cleveland and San Bernardino National Forest and did not see such an order.  Could they be enforcing under another section, maybe.

When it comes to fuelwood it is a high demand item and permits have been require long before you were born.  Shows how old I am because permits were not required on many Forest in California until I was in my 30’s.  Ancient history.

It is a felony under Federal Statue to disturb or remove archaeological resources from Federal lands.  This includes just about anything that is old.  Here is a link to the act.
http://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/FHPL_ArchRsrcsProt.pdf

There are State laws dealing with archaeological items on State and private lands within the state.

Recent deer sheds would not be covered under the act.

Picking up a few other items from you posts I will respond to in part because I cannot address a general statement.  I will take advantage of this one location rather than chase all over.

1.   “Its also illegal to wonder off hiking trails.”

Check the CNF (Cleveland National Forest) website.  Some areas have limited access to protect nesting areas of endangered Gold Eagle.  The California Fish and Game has noted that because of high human use fawn production in Southern California is hurting.  Other species are all so suffering because the grass lands, wet stream area that the critters like people like.  Follow the link:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sanbernardino/documents/mis_muledeer080806.pdf

I have never heard of anybody get a ticket for shortcutting a trail, but it causes problems.  It is not uncommon for people to cut across switchbacks on hiking trails.  Without a doubt I did it in my younger years.  But by doing trail work I realize that shortcutting destroys the ability of a trail in steep country to drain runoff.  I have been on a lot of old trails dating back to the gold rush that require very little pad repair because runoff is properly handled.  Cut into the drainage system and the trail along with the hillside erodes. 

During certain periods of high and extreme fire danger in Southern California certain areas are closed off and other activities are limited.  Studies have suggested that ORV use in Southern California has damaged the deer herd.

2.   “(only things that make them money) that they dont dael with things of this subject. Im not sexist but Their wildlife biologist is female too & couldnt answer questions about hunting because she's an animal lover & has never been hunting so she didnt know much & was unable to help me last time on the subject of hunting.”

I cannot address the qualifications of the wildlife biologist, female, you talked to.  I know a few female wildlife biologists who are hunters, and some who would rather be out fly fishing.  Environmentalists have had a major impact on how the wildlife dollars is spent.  Lawsuits in the name of the Spotted Owl have focused studies on the bird for over twenty years.  The owl controls whether timber will be cut, a campground built, or a road constructed.  The owl has become the environmentalist sledge hammer starting in the Pacific Northwest States of Washington and Oregon and flooding into California. 

When it comes to filling a wildlife biologist position a person with Spotted Owl expertise will rate higher than a deer specialist;  a fact of life.

I do know three female wildlife biologist that own their own deer rifles, and handguns.  I tried to deal with one for her .243 but she would not deal, and I still respect her.
http://www.fws.gov/sacramento/es/animal_spp_acct/ca_spotted_owl.htm

3.    “I think I know more than what forest service could tell me. I havent the foggiest Idea who hires these people or how they even got the job in the first place. what a waste of tax payers money they are! they need to hire me, I could do the work & replace 10 employees alone.”


You might want to put in for a job with the BLM or Forest Service.  You have to be 18 years old.  Seasonal jobs in fire management are in the majority.  Physical fitness is a requirement, and the ability to read and write is important.  You will be given a lot of training from finding your way in the woods, building fireline, using fire shelters, and other skills.  Testing and documentation is part of the process.

Here is a couple of links: 

http://www.blm.gov/nifc/st/en/prog/fire.1.html

http://jobsearch.usajobs.gov/search.aspx?sort=rv&vw=d&brd=3876&ss=0&FedEmp=N&FedPub=Y&q=fire+california

The Forest Service may have done most of its hiring for the 2010.  In Southern California I would make a special effort to get on the BLM fly crew.   Fly crews get used all over the West, and they are on the road a lot during a busy fire season.

http://www.angelfire.com/dc2/chucksfirepics/BLMFire.html


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Re: SHED HUNTING ILLEGAL IN CA???
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2010, 09:20:50 AM »
Thank you for taking the time to reply with such detail, Its always appreciated. ;)
Ater re- reading my last post it would seem my head was in the clouds. :-[
I am greatful for the forest service & everything they do to preserve the forest.
I was frustrated with not being able to get any answers from those who I believe should have this information.

I got cocky & forgot that the more I learn, the more I find out how little I realy knew.
Thats why I'm here regularly to gain the knowledge from much wiser & experienced folk like yourself.