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« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2010, 10:35:44 AM »
MGMorden , then what do we call a hybrid ? Say a English decent white looking guy marries an African decent type girl person ? and the offspring comes out well mixed as to both color of skin and  features ?
 This is pure BS . We are Americans at some point that has to be the only discription . Why do we have to include heritage in the description ?

Actually we already have a word for it and it's mulatto ;).

But if you want to go there - why bother with the description of even American?  I had a roommate in college - he was born in Japan to a Japanese father and an American mother.  He moved back over here when he was 8 years old.  To tell the truth I'd have never guessed he was from Japan.  He spoke English without an accent (though he was certainly fluent in Japanese when he was on the phone with his dad) and looked more Greek or Italian than Japanese/Anglo mix.  He has dual citizenship - so what is he?.  The "hybrid" situation can apply to ANY group, including citizenship which you obviously want to apply a label to.  Why is it so obvious to take pride in one's country but must be explicitly wrong to take pride in one's race?

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« Reply #61 on: January 19, 2010, 10:48:37 AM »
.......Can't we just be AMERICANS, or NON-AMERICANS?
What race? How bout the HUMAN RACE. ;)

If we're Americans, then we represent all; North, South and Central America.  I believe some of the people posting here want to be associated with their country, not necessarily by their continent/s.  So that is why I say (to United States dwellers) that we/they are not American, we're/they're "United States-ians".  

Yup, Human race sounds good to me.  No need for labels, boxes, names or wasted time on special favors or holidays etc.  

As far as the United States goes, if there were to be any special holidays or favors, maybe...maybe there should be a Chief Joseph Day or a King Phillip Day....better yet, a Massasoit or Tisquantum Day in honor of our Thanksgiving.

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« Reply #62 on: January 19, 2010, 11:05:14 AM »
MGMorden , then what do we call a hybrid ? Say a English decent white looking guy marries an African decent type girl person ? and the offspring comes out well mixed as to both color of skin and  features ?
 This is pure BS . We are Americans at some point that has to be the only discription . Why do we have to include heritage in the description ?

Actually we already have a word for it and it's mulatto ;).

But if you want to go there - why bother with the description of even American?  I had a roommate in college - he was born in Japan to a Japanese father and an American mother.  He moved back over here when he was 8 years old.  To tell the truth I'd have never guessed he was from Japan.  He spoke English without an accent (though he was certainly fluent in Japanese when he was on the phone with his dad) and looked more Greek or Italian than Japanese/Anglo mix.  He has dual citizenship - so what is he?.  The "hybrid" situation can apply to ANY group, including citizenship which you obviously want to apply a label to.  Why is it so obvious to take pride in one's country but must be explicitly wrong to take pride in one's race?

Very archaic, and derogatory term.....mulatto 

1595, from Sp. or Port. mulato "of mixed breed," lit. "young mule," from mulo "mule," from L. mulus (fem. mula) "mule," possibly in allusion to hybrid origin of mules. Fem. mulatta is attested from 1622.
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« Reply #63 on: January 19, 2010, 11:05:37 AM »
That was my point we are a mixed people . There was a program on where DNA was taken from folks all over the world and compared to some old woman found in ice .  Seems people from Africa , native American , white Eourp and others were of the same DNA .
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« Reply #64 on: January 19, 2010, 11:11:43 AM »
+1 Human race.  It is interesting that when I categorize (we all do it, it is among the most basic brain functions), I can honestly say that I REALLY DON'T CARE what color somebody is.  I DO CARE what their world view is.  I might provisionally categorize people from differing ethnic backgrounds based upon preconceptions (stereotyping) as to what I suspect their world view might be, but this too is perfectly normal human behavior.  It is a behavioral pattern that is instinctual, and carries no moral value.

Morality enters the discussion at that point where we choose whether to validate, or not, our preconceptions fairly and honestly.

In other words, I argue that it is immoral to hold a belief, for example, that because an individual is purple, he MUST be a Libertarian.

Start with the lowest common denominator, say, an American.  Then let's use our language and observations to attach adjectives.  As we do, where should we stop?

I'm Dan, a bald, blue eyed, middle aged, European, married, Southern, gumbo eating, Remington favoring, father of 4 American.

It seems absurd to me to arbitrarily assign value to one specific adjective that might be totally irrelavent to the character of the person.



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« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2010, 12:15:36 PM »
Hell sharke, I don't care if your pepper mint stripped. Do ya like ta fish and hunt? Mulato, LOTTO, who cares? We're all a bunch of mutts by now anyway.

quote The "hybrid" situation can apply to ANY group


MCMordan, I think calling a MIXED ETHNIC ANYBODY, such as half negro half anglo a MULATTO or, HYBRED is an insult.
I am HALF CHEROKEE and HALF ANGLO. Do you consider me a HYBRED, or an "NATIVE AMERICAN MULATTO" because if you do, then I consider you STUPID, and that has nothing to do with RACE, but every thing to do with stupid.


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« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2010, 12:28:45 PM »
LONGTOM. Agreed Sir, all true. Seperating Americans by race or nationality is wrong. POWDERMAN. :o :o
it was the policy of gov't, churches, and society in general for many generations

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« Reply #67 on: January 19, 2010, 01:09:13 PM »
I have read all the posts and I really believe the original complaint has been missed somewhat. Here's my 2 cents. That we celebrate our individual heritage is not the problem. That we allow it to be used to divide us is. Seems more and more its about the -American than we Americans. I am of french/indian/irish descent but more important I am a U.S. Citizen or American if you wish. Not to be fitted for the tin foil hat but I sometimes think it is merely another tool of the gov. to divide and control the US population. Probably overpriced at 2 cents but hey, thats inflation for you

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« Reply #68 on: January 19, 2010, 01:26:40 PM »
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Give President Obama time and maybe he can rise to their level but I haven't seen anything yet where he deserves to be called a liar.

I have seen and heard plenty that would give credence to that calling.
I will list but two of many.

1 There will be no lobbyist in my cabinet   WRONG
2 All legislation will be posted on the web at least three days for transparency  WRONG
I really don't think there are too many that would say he hasn't lied!

A very large percent of what he campaigned on  has turned out to be nothing more than lies and yes others before him have also.

As for Bush and the WMDs there is no one that can say there were none.
They can say we never found any, but not that there never was any.
We know there were because they used them on their own people.
They had over 18 months to dispose of them before we went in.
A WMD doesn't have to be a bomb or a missile.
Something as small as a glass jar can hold enough poison or virus to destroy a city or more.
If they could hide a MIG jet in the sand I think they could hide all sorts of WMDs.
Just because they didn't find them doesn't mean they weren't there.
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« Reply #69 on: January 19, 2010, 01:46:21 PM »
I guess you are the only one that can truly box yourself as American.  The rest of us are NOT American, we're really "United States-ians".

Well, I recon I'm as much an American as somebody from Tennessee!   >:(

I heard that somewhere's...  :-\  I think somebody from Texas said it...  :P   ;D
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« Reply #70 on: January 19, 2010, 01:59:25 PM »
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« Reply #71 on: January 19, 2010, 02:43:56 PM »
MCMordan, I think calling a MIXED ETHNIC ANYBODY, such as half negro half anglo a MULATTO or, HYBRED is an insult.
I am HALF CHEROKEE and HALF ANGLO. Do you consider me a HYBRED, or an "NATIVE AMERICAN MULATTO" because if you do, then I consider you STUPID, and that has nothing to do with RACE, but every thing to do with stupid.


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It's simply the technical term, and it's only used for black/white mixes.  Another user asked what they were called, and I responded.  It's not a word I use daily, just something that I remember from a class.  My brother married a half-Native American woman (making my niece 1/4 Native American) and my uncle is married to a black woman (making my 2 cousins from that marriage half black/half white).  

The point is simply: you can have a "mix" of ANY category.  That typically means that you can choose to identify with either, or both.  Is my former roomate with dual citizenship American or Japanese?  Well, he's both, both ethnically AND as a citizen.  That doesn't invalidate the existence of the groups "American" and "Japanese".  For instance, you consider yourself half Cherokee - it's a part of yourself that you can identify and be proud of.  Would you consider it polite if someone essentially said "Shut up, you're just an American and that's all." if you dared to mention your Cherokee heritage?

BUT - it does bring up a very interesting point - mulatto is not a word I use, but notice that you INSTANTLY took offense when faced with the notion of being called a term you didn't like.  Compare and contrast the original poster's position that "african americans" should just accept to be called black.

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« Reply #72 on: January 19, 2010, 02:57:02 PM »
A am an American, I'm not a White-American or a Swedish-Polish-American or a European American. I am just an American.  Is there something wrong with just being an American?  

How come you never hear someone called a Haitian-American or Jamaican-American.  Or how about Chinese- American or Korean-American?  

Come to think of it, according to Bible scholars the Garden of Eden was located somewhere in Africa so does that make all of us Africans since we a all descended from Adam and Eve?

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« Reply #73 on: January 19, 2010, 03:00:54 PM »
Stop all this "I am not" stuff. Your going to make the liberals mad! They have to seperate us all into differant groups then pit us against each other. If they we don't go along with this sceme, they will loose political power because then they can't work for legislation to steel from one group and promise to give to another.

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« Reply #74 on: January 19, 2010, 03:04:44 PM »
How come you never hear someone called a Haitian-American or Jamaican-American.  Or how about Chinese- American or Korean-American?  

Haitians and Jamaicans are less common, but the term could still apply if they wanted. On the other hand, if you've never heard the terms Chinese-American or Korean-American used, you need to get out more ;).  While many will simply identify themselves as Asian-American, Chinese-American and Korean-American are also pretty common.  Just plain "Asian" is often accepted too, though "Oriental" typically is viewed as a slur.

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« Reply #75 on: January 19, 2010, 03:10:58 PM »
LONGTOM:

I haven't heard anything that would label President Obama a liar and I listen/read balanced news.  And remember he has stepped into the most difficult situation that any President has in the last 80 years.  And he has now been in the job 1 year. Even a football coach is given more time than that.   And since Jesus walked this ground, I haven't seen perfection from anyone.  

Please enlighten me on the cabinet lobbyist.

Saying WMD of mass destruction existed in Iraq even though not found is like saying cancer exists in me even if not diagnosed.  Could be.  However the physical I took yesterday didn't reveal cancer and the weapons inspectors as well as the U.S. Army didn't find any weapons.

The difference is my physical costs me a few hundred bucks and the "could have existed" WMD cost the citizens of the U.S.A. $1 Trillion dollars and 4,000 lives; plus the lives of 100,000 Iraqis.  



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« Reply #76 on: January 19, 2010, 03:15:19 PM »
MCMordan, I think calling a MIXED ETHNIC ANYBODY, such as half negro half anglo a MULATTO or, HYBRED is an insult.
I am HALF CHEROKEE and HALF ANGLO. Do you consider me a HYBRED, or an "NATIVE AMERICAN MULATTO" because if you do, then I consider you STUPID, and that has nothing to do with RACE, but every thing to do with stupid.


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It's simply the technical term, and it's only used for black/white mixes.  Another user asked what they were called, and I responded.  It's not a word I use daily, just something that I remember from a class.  My brother married a half-Native American woman (making my niece 1/4 Native American) and my uncle is married to a black woman (making my 2 cousins from that marriage half black/half white).  

The point is simply: you can have a "mix" of ANY category.  That typically means that you can choose to identify with either, or both.  Is my former roomate with dual citizenship American or Japanese?  Well, he's both, both ethnically AND as a citizen.  That doesn't invalidate the existence of the groups "American" and "Japanese".  For instance, you consider yourself half Cherokee - it's a part of yourself that you can identify and be proud of.  Would you consider it polite if someone essentially said "Shut up, you're just an American and that's all." if you dared to mention your Cherokee heritage?

BUT - it does bring up a very interesting point - mulatto is not a word I use, but notice that you INSTANTLY took offense when faced with the notion of being called a term you didn't like.  Compare and contrast the original poster's position that "african americans" should just accept to be called black.

Thank you McGorden, well said. My point exactly. How dare we call others names that they find insulting or incorrect in their opinion. Why can't we call people by what they desire to be called?

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« Reply #77 on: January 19, 2010, 03:21:07 PM »
How come you never hear someone called a Haitian-American or Jamaican-American.  Or how about Chinese- American or Korean-American?  

Haitians and Jamaicans are less common, but the term could still apply if they wanted. On the other hand, if you've never heard the terms Chinese-American or Korean-American used, you need to get out more ;).  While many will simply identify themselves as Asian-American, Chinese-American and Korean-American are also pretty common.  Just plain "Asian" is often accepted too, though "Oriental" typically is viewed as a slur.

Yes the terms could apply "if they wanted". that's just my point, they don't find it necessary to distinguish themselves as different.  A church we belonged to in New Jersey helped charter a Korean Baptist Church.  We fellowshipped with them often and I new several of them pretty well and I can't recall any of them referring to themselves as 'Korean-American' or even 'Asian-American'.

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« Reply #78 on: January 19, 2010, 03:23:06 PM »
Thank you McGorden, well said. My point exactly. How dare we call others names that they find insulting or incorrect in their opinion. Why can't we call people by what they desire to be called?
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« Reply #79 on: January 19, 2010, 03:32:59 PM »
Maybe African-Americans have a strong name consciousness because their ancestors were enslaved and the were labeled as n.....rs.   Is it surprising? Their family tells them their story.   I sat in a pub in Ireland this past summer and had an Irish patron speak badly about the English and tell me the history of their mistreatment.  The Irish and Scots haven't forgotten their mistreatment.  Some people from the the South still can't forget the Civil War. Should African-Americans be different? 

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« Reply #80 on: January 19, 2010, 03:37:06 PM »
Thank you McGorden, well said. My point exactly. How dare we call others names that they find insulting or incorrect in their opinion. Why can't we call people by what they desire to be called?

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« Reply #81 on: January 19, 2010, 04:08:50 PM »
To me, America is a giant mixing pot.  The thing about a recipe is that all of the individual parts combine to make something completely different, and better.  So, this is the way I see it:

2 Egg Americans
2 cups Flour Americans
1/2 cup cocoa Americans
1 Stick Butter Americans
And a bunch of other goodies combine to make We, the People

Better than any part by itself, the American is the result of many contributing ingredients that are mixed and baked into the wonderful and unique people.
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« Reply #82 on: January 19, 2010, 04:38:44 PM »
BRETT. Well said Sir, I agree.
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« Reply #83 on: January 19, 2010, 04:47:07 PM »
Maybe African-Americans have a strong name consciousness because their ancestors were enslaved and the were labeled as n.....rs.   Is it surprising? Their family tells them their story.   I sat in a pub in Ireland this past summer and had an Irish patron speak badly about the English and tell me the history of their mistreatment.  The Irish and Scots haven't forgotten their mistreatment.  Some people from the the South still can't forget the Civil War. Should African-Americans be different?  

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« Reply #84 on: January 19, 2010, 05:24:42 PM »
Powderman:

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« Reply #85 on: January 19, 2010, 05:26:48 PM »
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« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2010, 06:19:58 PM »
Thank you McGorden, well said. My point exactly. How dare we call others names that they find insulting or incorrect in their opinion. Why can't we call people by what they desire to be called?

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« Reply #87 on: January 19, 2010, 07:15:41 PM »


Thank you McGorden, well said. My point exactly. How dare we call others names that they find insulting or incorrect in their opinion. Why can't we call people by what they desire to be called?
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What about a white person that was born in Rhodesia and moved to the United States, then became an American citizen? We cannot call him an African American, because people would assume he was black!

I guess he would just be a poor misplaced Caucasian. ;D
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« Reply #88 on: January 19, 2010, 09:22:25 PM »
sagegrouse7:
Sorry i don't recall his name at the moment but he was the very first person that THE LIAR offered up for appointment.
Maybe someone else will recall the name.

How about the transparency part?
Remember, there will be no behind closed doors in my administration.
Everything will be put on the web at least three days so that JOHN Q PUBLIC can read it before it is voted on.
Didn't happen!
His big spend package was voted on so fast, even before it could be read in it's entirety.
I'm really still not sure it has been fully read.

The just of it is you don't think he lied, I do.
You don't think there were WMDs, I do along with the best information we could get from other countries about them at the time.
There were plenty of times when info would come in that there were VC in a certain area and when the boys would get there they weren't there.
Does that mean they never were there or that they weren't there when we got there?
Same thing!


I guess we just disagree on a few things.


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Re: AFRICAN AMERICAN.
« Reply #89 on: January 19, 2010, 09:27:31 PM »
It's not polite to talk about folks heritage. If they're Scots they'll let you know. If they're not, well no point embarassing them ;)
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