AFRICAN AMERICAN.

[Cabin4]

It was run by the whites for the whites.
Remember the Jim Crow days? I do.
Remember when a whit man could kill a black on main street in the middle of the day and never even come to trial? I do.
Remember the folks who depressed the blacks simply because of color? I do.
I remember my grandmother telling me not too say yes sir and no sir too a nigger!
I see doctors and lawyers today that their parents worked and earned and taught their children to suceed--and they are black.
I see TV shows about trailer trash whites--and I think I know them.
Folks grow up---White folks are living in a fantasy land when they think that other races and nationalities can't compete with white folk.
I like competition--it is good for America.
Laws had to be passed--and enforced--to make America take equality seriously.
Sure some took advantage, some live on welfare, some are criminals and some are racist--sounds like white folks too me, also.
Blessings 

Yes, everyone remembers the old days. I think the point that’s trying to be focused on in this thread is what’s going on today? And while your good at pointing out the past, I'd like to see you take a shot at explaining why we have so many special interest groups that solely represent blacks and black interests? Groups like the NAACP, Congressional Black Caucus, Rainbow Coalition, United Negro College Fund, National Black Mayors Assoc., etc, etc, etc. There are no such groups to represent the sole interest of white people but I don't hear folks like you and press complaining about it. By definition, these groups are RACIST! They only represent the interest of one race of people. And if our country is going to accept racial interest groups, we damn well better accept them all. No one race has a monopoly on success and therefore, special interest should be afforded to them all.  If you think most white people are just ignoring this blatant acceptance of racism your wrong. It's completely hypocritical. So all the talk about we are one nation is a bunch of trash. The same people raging the "we are one nation" argument are the same slobs doing everything to separate people into groups for self serving interests. Ignoring the cultural degradation of the black community in this country is a crime. People like with your mind set have accepted and continue to accept this degradation blind to its impacts because these special black interest groups forge forward with their money and influence to laws and policy that advance the degradation. As GB has pointed out, look at the major cities in this country and what’s happened to them. This country ignores the problems due to political correctness like your showing and the degradation continues. Being honest about what we see is more important than trying to cover up issues of the past with blinders on today.

[powderman]

C4. YEP. Try forming a white caucus, united white college fund, white mayors conference, etc. The dumcraps, pantywetters, and other such folks would be crying big time. POWDERMAN. 

[MGMorden]

Very good points and reply williamlayton.  I've not heard the comparison of the civil rights movement to the revolutionary war before but its a very good one.

[sagegrouse715]

Cabin:

You sure sound angry today.

In my opinion,what is happening today is there is a high percentage of black inner city young adults being uneducated, impoverished and having no goals or idea for how to achieve their dream. It is having a high percentage of single parents.  It is disfunctional homes. When you get these conditions you get crime. I have driven through a few inner cities and I know I wouldn't want to live there.  

It is not that much different from many Indian reservations or the poor, white, rural area that I reside.  The main difference is the inner cities has a much greater population density that magnifies the problem with crime.  Show me a kid with green or blue skin who grows up in a nuclear family,who is encouraged and taught good values and he has a chance to succeed. Confuscius said if the family is in order, society will be in order.

I think all minorities have special interest groups in America to encourage/advance their causes.  To the best of my knowledge the Jewish Defense League, the Korean American Coalition and the NAACP are hate groups.

So what should be done about the degradation of the black community?  You say we shouldn't accept it.  So how do we eradicate poverty, create jobs in the inner city, encourage people to marry, get kids to attend school, improve the schools, and make the area safer?  Are you suggesting we need to raise taxes and put more money into the inner cities of America?

You can never ignore the past when you look at today's problems.

[sagegrouse715]

Oops, I meant they are NOT hate groups.  I need to proofread better.

[lgm270]

Cabin:

You sure sound angry today.

In my opinion,what is happening today is there is a high percentage of black inner city young adults being uneducated, impoverished and having no goals or idea for how to achieve their dream. It is having a high percentage of single parents.  It is disfunctional homes. When you get these conditions you get crime. I have driven through a few inner cities and I know I wouldn't want to live there.  

It is not that much different from many Indian reservations or the poor, white, rural area that I reside.  The main difference is the inner cities has a much greater population density that magnifies the problem with crime.  Show me a kid with green or blue skin who grows up in a nuclear family,who is encouraged and taught good values and he has a chance to succeed. Confuscius said if the family is in order, society will be in order.

I think all minorities have special interest groups in America to encourage/advance their causes.  To the best of my knowledge the Jewish Defense League, the Korean American Coalition and the NAACP are hate groups.

So what should be done about the degradation of the black community?  You say we shouldn't accept it.  So how do we eradicate poverty, create jobs in the inner city, encourage people to marry, get kids to attend school, improve the schools, and make the area safer?  Are you suggesting we need to raise taxes and put more money into the inner cities of America?

You can never ignore the past when you look at today's problems.

These are not problems. They are "black culture."    They are "black values."  Why do you think you should be able to force your white values and white culture  down the throats of blacks?

 This used to be called the White Man's Burden.   It referred to the idea that it was the mission of whites to domesticate and civilize blacks. Well, 300 years later...what have we achieved?  Haiti. Zimbabwe. Detroit. Newark. New Orleans. 

They don't want white values.   They don't want you telling them to get married before having  kids, to prepare for some profession other than dealing dope and robbing liquor stores, to speak proper English instead of jive or ebonics or whatever they call the language they speak.  They don't want you telling them that they should strive to be engineers, scientists, and  businessmen instead of murderers, cop killers, basketball  players and rap singers.  They have chosen their own values and culture and you have no right to impose your white middle class  values on them.

[45-70.gov]

too  much  time  on  their  hands
thanks to  government  wellfare

mothers raising kids with out  dads
thanks to  government welfare and divorce courts

poor folks  today  are  richer  than  rich folks  during my grand parents generation
so  don't give  me that poverty  crap

if  a father  leaves  his  family  and  the  family  dies  off
GOOD  so  will  his  genes
BUT  NO  GOVERNMENT  STEPS  IN  AND PERPETUATES  HIS  GENES

if  people  had  to work  or starve
who  has  time  for drugs  or  gangs
but  no....the great government  enabler  must step  in  to save the children
so  the  bad  gene  can  live  on

i am  through  ranting
don't  continue  to  speak  in  first  person  plural [WE  for  those  of you ion rio linda]
or i may  rant  some more

[DDZ]

too  much  time  on  their  hands
thanks to  government  wellfare

mothers raising kids with out  dads
thanks to  government welfare and divorce courts

poor folks  today  are  richer  than  rich folks  during my grand parents generation
so  don't give  me that poverty  crap

if  a father  leaves  his  family  and  the  family  dies  off
GOOD  so  will  his  genes
BUT  NO  GOVERNMENT  STEPS  IN  AND PERPETUATES  HIS  GENES

if  people  had  to work  or starve
who  has  time  for drugs  or  gangs
but  no....the great government  enabler  must step  in  to save the children
so  the  bad  gene  can  live  on

i am  through  ranting
don't  continue  to  speak  in  first  person  plural [WE  for  those  of you ion rio linda]
or i may  rant  some more

Exactly right! 4570. Government has enslaved them with welfare, and they don't even know it. They just keep voting for more. 

[Cabin4]

I suspose thet the KKK and White Citizens council were not special interest groups.
Was the Revolutionary army a special interest group?
Did we not have to do the same thing that we forced the black man to do?
Why do you reject in total that race has nothing to do with brains.
As the Army if Colin Powell didn't make a difference to his business.
Ask peanut makers if george Washinton Carver didn't make a difference to thier business.
There are a number of small business's in my neck of the woods which were started and are run very sucessfully by Black men.
You folks are in denial.
Blessings

No William, you are in denial. Anyone who would categorize the KKK as a white "special interest" group and put them in the same category as a sanctioned government entity like the Congressional Black Caucus is not only in denial, you are firmly planted in "fantasy land".

You don't even know what your corresponding with here. You've never responded to the points and contrasts I presented. You just respond with more politically correct BS. I never said we should reject the black race I simply pointed out the hypocrisy of people like you who accept Black special interest groups but reject the notion of same for white people. No race has a monopoly on success or failure and therefore I was simply pointing out they all deserve the same treatment & support. There are poor white people in this country no matter what inaccurate information people like you try to spread. When welfare was in full swing in this country , there were more white people on welfare than any single group. There is still mass poverty in white Appalachia no matter what lies people like you try to spread.  I never said a black person can’t or has not made a contribution to this country. Your antidotal tag lines about Colin Powel, Carver and small businesses are off target and have nothing to do with the larger issues of cultural and moral degradation I pointed out. Colin Powell’s success does not allow the moral and cultural degradation issues I sited “mute”.

I'm not surprised, we've been through this before on the same subject different thread. You’re a waste of time with your “blacks can do no wrong” garbage and blind eye to utter hypocrisy.

[powderman]

IGM270. Some of the folks you are referring to are uneducated by choice. Schools and at least a high school education are there to be used by all. Another problem with some of these folks is that they have NO values, that is the biggest problem. They, like us, need God in their lives. Satan is alive and well and rewards promiscuity and having kids out of wedlock. As long as my tax $s are paying for these out of wedlock babies, medical care, foodstamps, adc checks and other welfare, yes, I do have a right to expect them to adopt a real set of values, call em white mans values if ya want. There are many blacks who are educated and grow up in the same community as the others who have made something of themselves through dedication and hard work, staying away from drugs, etc. Whitey doesn't owe them a living, they owe it to themselves to get a real life. There are trash whites too, but they sure don't whine and hold their hands out as much as some of the blacks do. POWDERMAN. 

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i  keep  hearing  the name  COLIN  POWELL

this  is a black  man  that  sold himself  into  slavery

we  was  bought and  paid for  buy  obama  and  soros

when  he  endorsed  OBAMA  during  the eletion

or  did  he endorse  obama  because  HE  is  a racist




one  or  the  other........you  choose

[Cabin4]

Cabin:

You sure sound angry today.

In my opinion,what is happening today is there is a high percentage of black inner city young adults being uneducated, impoverished and having no goals or idea for how to achieve their dream. It is having a high percentage of single parents.  It is disfunctional homes. When you get these conditions you get crime. I have driven through a few inner cities and I know I wouldn't want to live there.  

It is not that much different from many Indian reservations or the poor, white, rural area that I reside.  The main difference is the inner cities has a much greater population density that magnifies the problem with crime.  Show me a kid with green or blue skin who grows up in a nuclear family,who is encouraged and taught good values and he has a chance to succeed. Confuscius said if the family is in order, society will be in order.

I think all minorities have special interest groups in America to encourage/advance their causes.  To the best of my knowledge the Jewish Defense League, the Korean American Coalition and the NAACP are hate groups.

So what should be done about the degradation of the black community?  You say we shouldn't accept it.  So how do we eradicate poverty, create jobs in the inner city, encourage people to marry, get kids to attend school, improve the schools, and make the area safer?  Are you suggesting we need to raise taxes and put more money into the inner cities of America?

You can never ignore the past when you look at today's problems.

Sage,

I'm not so much angry as I am frustrated with hypocrisy. If we accept these special interest groups for blacks, Koreans, Jews, ect, we must accept the same for white people. The fact this country does not, is what I don't like. I have stated this before, white people have problems as well, so why is it we can't accept a NAAWP? There are more white people living in poverty in this country than any other single group. But because they don’t meet the percentage cut for their race, they are ignored. How can someone who claims to want to uplift people out of poverty only do it for one race and not another and claim moral superiority??? It's BS.

[sagegrouse715]

IMG:

WE (I like to hear rants) have eliminated most welfare since the 1990's.  Well, maybe not corporate welfare or farm subsidies.  Mothers raise kids without dads because they get pregnant at 16 and are never married.  There need to be jobs so people can work.  Many industrial jobs in inner cities have shut down.  The unemployment rate for African Americans (black Americans if that makes some happier) in Milwaukee exceeds 20%.  Try existing flipping burgers at $7/hour and feeding a family.

Yes, life was harder during the great depression.  I know my story.  I grew up without hot water, no indoor plumbing, and mom cooking on a wood stove.  I don't think WE want to go back to those days and WE have grown accustom to  an easier life.  My dad worked hard.  He was  a WWII Navy vet. And than he put 26 years in the Navy reserves. He made $3,000/year when I graduated from high school.  Somehow, he helped pay for all four of his children to graduate from college.  Oh, yeah, and the Federal government gave us low income grants and loans.  Is that government stepping in?  Because I was poor does that make my genes bad?  

After college, I made more the first year I worked than my dad did.   I retired after working 36 years last year.   I have always paid my taxes on time.  I have never taken 1 cent of welfare, unemployment, or workmans comp. or disability (by God's grace).   We have paid $102,000 (all out our pocket) for our daughters education.   I think the United States citizens have gotten a good deal their stepping into my life.  

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are there  any  ''white'' set aside  jobs

don't give me any  BS  about private business

i  am  talking  federal,  state, any tax payer  funded  job
the  ONLY jobs  WE should have any say so  over

name  one  such   job  that  it  excludes african americans
there  are  many  jobs that  EXCLUDE  white  men

come  to think  of  it
some  jobs  ONLY  a woman  may be eligable.....not  a man
but i know  of  no job  that  specifically  excludes  woman

maybe  ''those that  know  more than  us''
think  these groups  of  people
are  inferior  to  ''white men''
and  can not otherwise  compete  with  us

i  say  they are equal   if they want to be
and  they  deserve EQUAL  oppertunity
so do  i......job set asides  ARE discrimination

powderboy
look what you have caused with  this tread

[45-70.gov]

IMG:

WE (I like to hear rants) have eliminated most welfare since the 1990's.  Well, maybe not corporate welfare or farm subsidies.  Mothers raise kids without dads because they get pregnant at 16 and are never married.  There need to be jobs so people can work.  Many industrial jobs in inner cities have shut down.  The unemployment rate for African Americans (black Americans if that makes some happier) in Milwaukee exceeds 20%.  Try existing flipping burgers at $7/hour and feeding a family.

Yes, life was harder during the great depression.  I know my story.  I grew up without hot water, no indoor plumbing, and mom cooking on a wood stove.  I don't think WE want to go back to those days and WE have grown accustom to  an easier life.  My dad worked hard.  He was  a WWII Navy vet. And than he put 26 years in the Navy reserves. He made $3,000/year when I graduated from high school.  Somehow, he helped pay for all four of his children to graduate from college.  Oh, yeah, and the Federal government gave us low income grants and loans.  Is that government stepping in?  Because I was poor does that make my genes bad?  

After college, I made more the first year I worked than my dad did.   I retired after working 36 years last year.   I have always paid my taxes on time.  I have never taken 1 cent of welfare, unemployment, or workmans comp. or disability (by God's grace).   We have paid $102,000 (all out our pocket) for our daughters education.   I think the United States citizens have gotten a good deal their stepping into my life.  

sounds  like you  had a great  father

poor taught  you  to  work  not   expect

sounds  like  your  kids  dad  is  not  too bad  either

[sagegrouse715]

45-70:

I would like to know who on this forum can claim to have accomplished half as much as Colin Powell has during is life time.  I know I can't.

[sagegrouse715]

45_70:

Thanks.  I was blessed with a great dad.  And mom. I wish I could say I was half the man he was.  My dad died in 1981 of esophalgeal (sp?) cancer.  He was on a navy plane that flew around the mushroom cloud at the Bikini Atoll atomic bomb testing.  I never knew until looking thru his records after he died.  He never told me.

[mirage1988]

Has anyone else noticed that all of the people in Mcdonalds commercials are a frican americans? Check it out. Whites are being discriminated against

[45-70.gov]

45-70:

I would like to know who on this forum can claim to have accomplished half as much as Colin Powell has during is life time.  I know I can't.

i  admired  the man too until  he  belatedly  endorsed  obama

he  has  known  mccain  for  many  years
he  knows  obamas  short  voting  record
why   did  he take  so long to come  out  and  endorse  obama??

holding out  for   a bribe?
hiding  his  racism?

colin powel  was  a republican/general...
.why  would  ANY republican/general  endorse  a democrat over  a war  hero?
especially  a democrat  as liberal  as  obama?

a bribe  or racism??

[billy_56081]

As for Colin Powell I had the luck of serving under that figurehead during the golf war. Now Stormin Norman was a General. Colin Powell was nothing but a sevant boy in the big house. Or as most of the black soldiers refered to him "a house nigger".

[45-70.gov]

As for Colin Powell I had the luck of serving under that figurehead during the golf war. Now Stormin Norman was a General. Colin Powell was nothing but a sevant boy in the big house. Or as most of the black soldiers refered to him "a house nigger".

so  billy

was it  a bribe  or  racism?

you  don't  know ....so just  your  guess/opinion

[sagegrouse715]

I would think he has too much money to need a bribe/accept a bribe.

 My guess is that he had what was a hard choice for him.  I don't think he was happy with with his experience in the Bush administration.  My read was that he was not included in the loop in war discussions.  Also, he was sent to deliver the U.S. message on WMD's existing in Iraq (which turned out unfounded/untrue) to the UN.  Remember also,  he was being championed by many as a Pres. candidate after Iraq I but his wife didn't want him to run because of race safety concerns.  He may have admired Obama's willingness to put it on the line. I think wording it racism is to harsh.

[LONGTOM]

45-70:

I would like to know who on this forum can claim to have accomplished half as much as Colin Powell has during is life time.  I know I can't.

sagegrouse715:

There are many different kinds of accomplishments.
I think in different ways that many have equaled him and some better!

i  admired  the man too until  he  belatedly  endorsed  obama

 

Same here.
After his turn is when his true colors showed.  (pun intended)

colin powel  was  a republican/general...
.why  would  ANY republican/general  endorse  a democrat over  a war  hero?
especially  a democrat  as liberal  as  obama?

Because he was black, just like him!!!

I would venture a guess that most of the blacks voted for THE LIAR, not for what he said or stood for but simply because he was black.
They thought they were really going to have it made.
One of their own was in control now.
Ain't going to happen!
He ain't here to help the country and neither is he here to help them.
He is here for a different reason that might yet to be seen.

 

LONGTOM

[briarpatch]

sagegrouse715, you were able to get a loan from the government, go to school.
and make something out of your life.
Could you have done it without the government hand out? Could you have found a way on your own? If you had found a way on your own could you have made it easier on thousands of dads that had to go into the mines and factories of this country that were just making it?
Struggling to raise a family and pay for all the govenment handouts it does not have the money for. Maybe your loan drove some into the ground.
 Where some were just above water, the added taxes would have forced them under. The government does not make money it only steals it. For everyone that got the handouts and used them, a thousand took it and ran.
The next time you see someone get a handout think about that man or woman that will have a shorted check and less on the pantry shelf. Think about them trying to make ends meet while they keep up freeloaders that equal a vote to keep some political whore in a job.

[sagegrouse715]

Billy:

Seeing as Colin Powell was the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff, all military were under him.  That is no servant boy and I am guessing the black soldiers that said that didn't rank too high.  

I admired General Swartzkoff.  He was a great military leader.

[sagegrouse715]

Longtom:

I measure accompishment  based on the norms for American society.  At the end of the day what have you done.

[45-70.gov]

as  far as weapons of mass destruction  go

didn't  hussien  kill some of  his own  villages  in  1988?
what  about  the 500 tons of yellow cake  uranium  they removed from  iraq  and took to  canada
 no  reason  to suspect hussien  would do  that
after  9/11...no reason  to think any one would attack  us

my  kids  get  government  money  for  school
it  doesn't come  close to my  tax  burden...so  i get back  what i can

my un-married daughter with  a kid  gets  a grant......reward  for  the wrong  thing
my  son  gets  a loan.... penalized  for  not having  a kid

after  he  is  25  he  may  get  the grant
but now  he is penalized  for  my income

i am sick and  tired  of things  offered  to  ''poor'' people
that  i pay for  and am not entitled to
even  tho  i pay  for  i highway  i don't resent  poor folks using  it
but  i wouldn't be surprized  to see  toll  roads  soon  where  the poor  are  exempted

[sagegrouse715]

Briarpatch:

Could I have gone to school on my own without government assistance?  Good question.  I don't know.  I worked summers bailing hay for farmers.  I had saved my paper route money.  I worked in factories in the summer while I went to school.  My dad was a factory worker.  It would have taken me longer to get through school.   I would have made less money in my lifetime and would have paid less into the government in taxes and I would have spent less as a consumer which creates jobs.

Jesus said render under to Caesar the things that are Caesars.

[Cabin4]

Jesus said render under to Caesar the things that are Caesars.

I'm confused. Are you comparing yourself to Jesus or Caesar?

[45-70.gov]

my  dad  was a vascular  surgeon and  a  neuro  surgeon
taught  brain surgery and ran  a VA hospital

his  dad  never  finished  the 4th grade..mill working  hillbilly

i  am an  uneducated  carpenter....[.had 3 kids  paid out of pocket]
and  have more material  things  and a better  life  than he  had

my brother was an  olympic  athelete
other  brother is a college professor too

some  folks just  ''inherit'' a drive  to  succeed
some  don't

and  as  a man...i  was  discriminated  against  by  the  courts
some  thought  that  in  a divorce  the  week  woman  should  take and spoil  the  kids
against  the  odds
this man  raised  his kids the best he  new  how
they  had their  problems  but are  over them  now
i hate to think  of  how  they might have  turned  out
had  things turned  out different


sage  you  would  have  done  fine
if  you  weren't  taxed  so  much
could   you have  done  more  good  with  that  money  than  the government  did  with  it
the government  is  so  efficient  you  know
i  spent  most of my life  working  government  construction  jobs
it  cost  then  3 times  as much  to build the same building  as  private  company