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Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« on: January 19, 2010, 01:12:32 AM »
This one is sure to raise the eyebrows of the politically correct.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794

From page 2:

The company's vision is described on its Web site: "Guided by our values, we endeavor to have our products used wherever precision aiming solutions are required to protect individual freedom."

"We believe that America is great when its people are good," says the Web site. "This goodness has been based on Biblical standards throughout our history, and we will strive to follow those morals."

I'm loving it.  What say you?
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 01:28:49 AM »
Good marketing approach. They must realize their customers are part of the God and guns crowd.
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 01:30:47 AM »
Yes, bitter clingers.......
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 01:53:19 AM »
I saw a piece on TV news last night about that. Some left wing er was complaining that we should tell em to take it off or fine em for it. The Muzzies hate em they are called "Jesus rifles" I love it! In that piece I saw where a tank crew had painted "New testament" on their gun barrel. Any thing that makes a lefty whine or a muzzie cringe is beautiful music to me!  8)

I had put off buying one due to costs but i'm rethinking that now!!!!!
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 05:34:00 AM »
Here's a link that shows some pictures. You've got to have a pretty strong imagination to derive a verse from this serial number. Either that, or somebody would have to tell you about it.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 07:14:21 AM »
HEH. Saw it on nightline last night, loved it. The left is whining that the Godless ones might see the war as a battle between their God and the Christian God. IT IS. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :D :D
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2010, 07:36:50 AM »
One must ask if you don't believe in God why would you even care ?
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2010, 09:50:40 AM »
shootall:

i agree if they do not believe ...whats the problem?

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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 10:11:28 AM »
Guess they are right we are the nation of the offended !
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2010, 10:27:39 AM »
Because:
a) there is supposed to be no government approved religion in this country
b) making this into a religious war is a stupid idea
c) making our military into a branch of a specific religion is an even stupider idea
d) this is a fantastic recruiting tool for the enemy's religious zealots, who want to sell this as a religious war
e) many of those who have complained are soldiers on the front lines of the battle who also think it is a stupid idea

Making war in the name of Jesus? Just as stupid as making war in the name of Mohammed.

If particular religious zealots in the military wish to inscribe scripture on their own weapon, go for it, but putting religious scripture on every single weapon at the factory crosses the line. The armed forces should not be turned into an extension of someone's idea of fundamentalist Christianity. Tax dollars should not be spent on promoting a particular religion. Separation of church and state was one of the things the founding fathers were trying to accomplish in setting up this country.

Not that I expect a single person on here to agree with me, but hey, everyone's entitled to his opinion, right?

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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2010, 10:35:25 AM »
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Any thing that makes a lefty whine or a muzzie cringe is beautiful music to me! 


JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THAT STAtEMENT! Everyone is entitled to his opinion right?
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2010, 10:48:37 AM »
I'm guessing this kind of thing would probably make Jesus and Thomas Jefferson cringe, too, but I can imagine a few Old Testament patriarchs approving of it.

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« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2010, 10:59:05 AM »
Making war in the name of religion or God , The Bible is full of such. Making war for anything less seems as you put it stupid .
 In this country the govt. can't make us follow a certian religion and protects our right to worship . So whats your point ? And what makes you think a branch of our military was made into a religious branch ? Were they made into F&N employees if they tote a saw with the name on it ?
Who gives a tinkers da- _ _ about their recruits ? If 72 virgins won't get then to sign on the dotted line nothing will.
Now if a soilder on the front line don't care for it on his weapon then we agree on this one . Tell him to scrape it off !
I agree a soilder can decorate his weapon , sorta like nose art on WW@ planes
Seperation of church and state . Lets see this has been abused and twisted so much . If the consitution does not give a right to the fed. govt or state govt. it remains with the people . The gove either one has no right to form a religion . People are given the right to religious freedom . Where does it say govt. can stop one person from praticing a religion ? Where does it get the right to limit a religion ? As a person you have the right to not be religious but not sway others . If a guy makes a product and puts a saying on it its his freedom . If the Govt uses it so what . If you eat at churches chicken you support a religion , and some other places also .
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2010, 11:05:10 AM »
SHOOTALL. YUP. I could care less what the Godless ones think of it, or the panty wetters either. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2010, 11:42:17 AM »
I don't give a rip if religious zealots want to sign up to go play Crusader in the Middle East.  Anyone's personal motivation or belief is theirs and theirs alone. But here you have the federal government using tax dollars collected from all of us, Christian and otherwise, to promote a particular religion. I think that crossed the line. If this company wanted to make the religious rifle sights and send them for free to troops who requested them, or paid for by the soldier or his family, then tax dollars, and hence the government, would no longer be directly involved. My opinion of the idea would be the same, but I would no longer be paying for it, so, no problem. Seems almost identical to Christians saying that abortion shouldn't be paid for with their tax dollars.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

Appropriating federal funds that promote a specific religion seems like an obvious breach of this amendment. I think the twisting of this amendment is what is done by those who try to say that this amendment somehow approves of state sponsored religion. Worship however you want, just keep the government out of religion, and religion out of government. Seems simple enough.

And saying that anyone who disagrees is somehow a "panty-wetter" is pretty ridiculous. It sort of sounds like the kind of thing you might hear a fifth grader say. By no reasonable definition do I qualify as a "panty-wetter". I just happen to be in agreement with the US Constitution that the government has no business promoting one religion over another, just like it was written down and signed to by the founding fathers, who were, in part, fleeing an oppressive government that promoted one, state-sponsored religion, and persecuted all others.

Certainly everyone is free to disagree with any part of the Constitution they have a beef with, but don't bother trying to convince me that this:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

actually means this:

"Congress shall not interfere with the establishment of the Christian faith as the de-facto official religion of the United States..."

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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2010, 12:11:35 PM »
They say there aint no atheist in foxholes, There are some Chaplains I understand! Anyone that dont want a bible verse reference on his weapon's optics has the right to take it off! I seriously doubt thats gonna happen.


The Muzzies dont need an excuse to attack the west, thats leftist propaganda!  They believe they are commanded to by their Religion to do so, Ironic aint it? 



Those serial #s have been on those acogs for sometime now. I'd be real interested in seeing the response from the soldiers on this Site!
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2010, 12:15:22 PM »
Seems to me the ones using this equipment are the only ones who should care if the serial numbers have a hidden bible verse in them. What a ridiculous argument. I wonder what is going to be done with all of those scopes now?

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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2010, 12:15:57 PM »
red alder ranch. The govt has the option of buying the product or not. Like it or not we ARE in a war. It's islam against the world, good vs evil, God against satans own disciples. We were founded by Christians, thanks to them we have the right to pray as we choose, or not to, our choice. No, I don't want my tax $ paying butchers to murder babies, or being given to Godless people like the palestinians or the others who openly say they hate us and want us dead. Of course you have the right to your opinion, same as me. The term pantywetter was for a lot of folks, not necessarilly you. Seperation of church and state simply means we have the right to choose, the state can't force us to worship any certain religion. Christianity is a real religion. Islam is a Godless cult. I personally think the secret Bible verses are great, gives the Godless ones something to think about. HEH, I can see em now, thinking Jesus is after them, love it. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2010, 02:51:59 PM »
Seems to me the ones using this equipment are the only ones who should care if the serial numbers have a hidden bible verse in them. What a ridiculous argument. I wonder what is going to be done with all of those scopes now?


They will be discarded and used by the insurgents, kinda like the 500 or so glocks that were sent to iraq for military use and 200 or so of them have been used in murders in Turkey, I think

Whats ridiculous is the fact that it became an issue! at all
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2010, 02:54:24 PM »
Seems to me the ones using this equipment are the only ones who should care if the serial numbers have a hidden bible verse in them. What a ridiculous argument. I wonder what is going to be done with all of those scopes now?


They will be discarded and used by the insurgents, kinda like the 500 or so glocks that were sent to iraq for military use and 200 or so of them have been used in murders in Turkey, I think

Whats ridiculous is the fact that it became an issue! at all


Thats what I meant- did it not come across that way?

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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2010, 03:05:00 PM »
Wasnt sure,  ::) Thought maybe the thread was what was bugging you, but at least we agree! The poor men in the field dont need political correctness to interfere with their normal lives of hell overthere!
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2010, 03:17:39 PM »
Sounds like a tempest in a teapot to me.  What's next, stop using Christian suppliers completely?  Maybe they need to develop a standard for model and serial numbers.  I didn't think there was one.  Hopefully the military will stand up to the crybabies, but alas, with this administration, isn't likely.
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2010, 03:31:41 PM »

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..."

Appropriating federal funds that promote a specific religion seems like an obvious breach of this amendment. I think the twisting of this amendment is what is done by those who try to say that this amendment somehow approves of state sponsored religion. Worship however you want, just keep the government out of religion, and religion out of government. Seems simple enough.
Kind of a stretch to connect "an establishment of religion..." to serial numbers on a scope isn't it?  The way I see it is that trijicon knows that the scopes are going on weapons that will likely be used to kill men on a battlefield and it is their blessing for the men and women who are using them. Like was stated earlier, if you don't believe in God, why would you care? I hope they give the soldiers the choice whether or not to give up their scopes, I bet the only ones that do are muslim.

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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2010, 04:43:59 AM »
Why do I feel like this would be a non issue if these sights had muslim crap written all over them? Or hindu or references to any other religion besides christianity?
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Re: Trijicon inscribes military gun sites with bible versus
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2010, 05:15:52 AM »
The pantwetters would rather have them say 'made in china'. :D

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« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2010, 05:34:47 AM »
When in combat and being shot at are you reading sayings on the side or looking thru. the sight ? If the thing helped me make the other guy die for his side instead of me dieing for mine it could be pink with lace on it .
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« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2010, 05:49:11 AM »
if the military would like to get rid of the offending scopes, I'll have. And I'd like rifle to go with it, please.

Trijicon prob ought to stop with the scripture references... it's not likely to advance the Gospel, and just gives naysayers and angry atheists a point of attack.

Bad combo, causing offense for no good return.
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2010, 06:06:57 AM »
If you are a "good atheist it would seem you would be amused at the misguided not offended . But then if you are offended it might be a sign of a glitch in your conviction .
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« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2010, 06:13:30 AM »
If you are a "good atheist it would seem you would be amused at the misguided not offended . But then if you are offended it might be a sign of a glitch in your conviction .
Angry Atheists are looking for things to be offended about... not unlike some Christians, ears perked for someone saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas.

Seems to me the (obscure) scripture references prob serve no good purpose, from what I can tell at this point.

Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2010, 06:18:27 AM »
Like the "H" on Winchester rimfire ammo it commerates the inventor . So in fact it serves a good purpose .
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