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Offline Questor

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Have you heard "What killed sergeant Gray?"
« on: January 19, 2010, 01:48:35 AM »
There was a documentary on NPR called What Killed Sergeant Gray. It was about how some soldiers from the Iraq war ended up killing themselves or getting into big trouble when they returned to the US. I listened with great interest because the story of the subjects of this documentary followed the descriptions of "weak" "losers" that were given to me by a soldier of the viet nam war that served in the dangerous role of helicopter waist gunner. I asked him once about the guys that became heroin addicts and whether that was common and he, a true gentleman, tactfully said they were typically weak and losers. And went on to say that most guys just did their job.

The interesting thing about the documentary is that these guys who killed themselves did have backgrounds as trouble makers and losers. However, they were characterized as troubled heroes who could not cope with what they had learned while in Iraq.

I'd like your opinion of this documentary, and any comments you might have on soldiers who developed destructive tendencies after serving.
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Re: Have you heard "What killed sergeant Gray?"
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 02:09:53 AM »
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on NPR

Explains it for me! 

 I'll bet there have been those kinds of soldiers in every war since there was war. I cant say but i might take drugs and kill myself after a tour in a war zone. Never been there!  I'd like to think I would just do my job but I can't cast dispersions on anyone else until i walk in their shoes.

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Re: Have you heard "What killed sergeant Gray?"
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 09:53:14 AM »
they always put the slant on just what war makes men do bunch of left wing cry babies on the "HORROR" of war. they do not know squat about it.

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Re: Have you heard "What killed sergeant Gray?"
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2010, 10:17:47 AM »
I have an Uncle whom is now 83 years old. In WWII, he earned 2 Purple Hearts, and 7 Bronze Stars. He was on the front lines in three major island invasions, and helped free more than one POW Camp. He talked about carrying emaciated American G.I.s out of those Camps on his arm, much like you would a 2 year old child. When he was wounded, he went to a hospital, and then right back into combat. TWICE! He went on to get married, lose 3 children, become a Baptist Preacher, and then lose his wife. He's still going.

I have a Cousin whom was a Marine in Vietnam. While going into bases that were being over ran by Vietcong, he had three helicopters shot out from under him and went in hard. Once he fought for 3 days with a dislocated shoulder. He went on to hold down a full time job, and raise a family, and still is active in his church although his old injuries and Agent Orange are reeking havoc on his body.

I have a life long friend that was a Ranger in Vietnam and was in Cambodia when no one was in Cambodia. He did 3 full tours, and a half tour ending when America pulled out of Vietnam. He was wounded in both legs on two separate occasions. He went on to raise a family, work for Pentax, and a 20+ year career in Law Enforcement occasionally taking time out to go to Afghanistan, and Iraq several times to both fight, and train soldiers. Part of the later, he was in his fifties.

My point here? None of these men I know personally EVER complained about their experiences. My youngest son as some here know, was a Sgt in the 82nd Airborne (not exactly a bunch of sissies), and has one tour in Afghanistan, and two tours in Iraq. He now also has a full time job, and has showed no signs of opting out of normal civilization, or everyday life.
I have been diagnosed with PTSD, but I consider it part of the job I did, and am not sure if the condition even exists. No meds, no therapy, I just go about my life. Bad memories? Hell yes! It just a little more of life than most folks usually see. And no, I don't live in a bunker, and watch the neighbors with binoculars, thinking their gonna attack me. Although maybe I should. :D
There are folks out there, that just don't handle war, and sometimes the everyday horrors of living as well as most do. There has always been that group of people, and there always will be. In many cases, if it hadn't been Vietnam, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, it would have been South Dallas, or the bad area of Chicago. Just my opinion, and no one has to agree. I love my Country, and our Soldiers, but like cops, there are good ones, and not so good ones. Like I said. JMO
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Re: Have you heard "What killed sergeant Gray?"
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2010, 10:40:54 AM »
I had several good friends who saw some very bad thing in VN . One commited suicide after raising a family . His note said he could not stand the nightmares anymore , Another was decorated for killing 18 and saving his company . He leads a very quiet life buy don't anger him . He is very religious . I i know was also a gunner on a chopper , I was present when others were talking about shooting women and kids . They ask him how he/others could do such things . He said don't lead them as much . Then said you do what you are ordered to do as kids carried bombs and he had seen a chopper blown up by a woman. Later he slipped out and I left soon after he was in his truck crying . He looked at me and said he hoped none of the rest of us would have to live with what he had to.
I will never understand why these men are treated with little respect they fight for the rest of us then carry a burden for life .
I also see many who never served get mean and do bad things what's their excuse ?
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Re: Have you heard "What killed sergeant Gray?"
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2010, 11:24:00 AM »
Four Islands in WWII.
Could not adjust after coming home. Night mares and demons haunted him. Could not hold a job. Was an alchoholic.
Weak or just took it to the lmit?
Another--20 missions, shot down, interred in Switzerland and escaped. Had a nervous breakdown. Luckily he died in a car accident.
I don't know, but there are limits and some handle it and others can't.
I certainly am not going too judge.
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