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texas pigs
« on: January 20, 2010, 06:14:08 AM »
i was reading outdoor life and there were talking about passing a bill in texas were you could hunt from a helicopter. They say there 1 millons of hogs there and they don't know what to do. I think they need to have a open season like they do for coyotes and let people hunt them like they want. I think it's funny were they have a problem that is costing them cash and they want you to pay to help them with there problem ::)
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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2010, 04:30:22 AM »
I think they need to have a open season like they do for coyotes and let people hunt them like they want.

jamaldog, there already is an open season for hogs in Texas.  In fact, you can hunt them day or night, artificial light is legal, no bag limit in place.   
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2010, 05:29:55 AM »
on public land? here in FL you have to pay to hunt them on public land. On your land they live stock so you can kill how you like.
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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2010, 02:39:10 AM »
I'm just guessing, but in TExas you probably only need a permit to get onto the public land, so they know who's out hunting. I've never heard of anyone having to pay to kill hogs in Texas, unless you specifically book a hunt with an outfitter.


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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2010, 05:21:50 AM »
In Texas there is little public land, it's almost all private, with hunting leases.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2010, 07:14:55 AM »
90% of Texas land is privately owned, however that leaves about 1,000,000 acres for public hunting.  Hunting public land in Texas does require permits from the Parks & Wildlife Dept, and there are rules specific to the area being hunted.  For example, some areas likely will allow no wheeled vehicles.  Others have off road trails for 2 wheelers and ATV's.  You have to go to the Parks n Wildlife webste to read up before venturing out.  They do provide maps and such of the different areas. 

Some game ranches do charge for shooting hogs, and prior to the economic downturn, some were chargining, and getting, a pretty good amount of money for hogs.  There are no charges for hogs on public land to my knowledge, and the Parks folks would love to see hogs shot.
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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2010, 05:04:36 AM »
Here is a link to some discussion about the hog problem in Texas.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local-beat/Wild-Hogs-Run-Rampant-in-Texas-82219607.html

How many there are depends on who you talk to and where they are.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2010, 08:04:37 AM »
been to texas 14 times only 2% is public land ,try to find it ,ranchers make a lot of money on hog hunts about 250 a day. yet they gut shoot em on purpose so they run off in the brush so they dont have to drag them as though they were rats

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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2010, 12:22:08 PM »
I've been in Texas since 1956. Yep there are some people that make a living with hog hunts, but the ones I know hunt and eat what they kill. There are even some that take hunt kills and process the meat for charity food support. If anyone wants information about legitimate hog hunt operations PM me and i'll give you information about them. Also about the Charity work by a gracious man that does it non profit to help the needy.

There are unscrupulous people in every State in the Union. It is not reasonable to single out Texas for accusations about  nefarious activity in the hunting department. I blame no man that has paid for his property, that uses it to make a living or rents it to big money to hunt on! This is still the US of A I think!

There are an estimated 2 million hogs in this state that destroy crops and property. People here actually pay some people to manage the pig population on their farms. Some that I personally know invite me to hunt pigs on their land to help them with animal control. No one has ever asked me to gut shoot anything,  I have been asked to eliminate as many as I could to help control the population but it is a losing proposition due to the fact that these animals are smarter than people think and can hear and smell you a good distance away, not to mention they propogate profusely!
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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2010, 06:56:38 PM »
I have been down to my brother in laws place in Texas three times.  We have always shot more hog than we can eat.  There is no waste though. We take down a toy hauler with four of the largest Costco coolers, one of them filled with dry ice.  We bring back the meat and divide up what we can use.  All the rest goes to a local food bank as bulk sausage, frozen in 1 pound packs.  We have dropped off a total of over 800 lbs of sausage procured, butchered, ground, seasoned and put up at our expense.  If my brother in law thought I was taking a deliberate gut shot at anything, I would no longer be welcome.  Texas, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico, except varmint, what we hunt is a harvest or we don't pull the trigger.

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2010, 04:26:59 PM »
I have heard people say that they intentionally gut shoot hogs and allow them to run off to die.  I find that to be unsportsmanlike to say the least.  I used to trap hogs, and had a list of folks wanting fresh pork.  Once the trap was full of pigs, I would begin to call before killing and butchering a single one.  It got to be where people wanted fully processed meat, but I wasn't in the meat processing business, so unless they were willing to do their own skinning and quartering, I stopped calling them.  So I no longer run traps, but we do shoot, and cook feral hogs often.  To me they are better tasting than the deer I spend so much time hunting, not to mention more plentiful. 
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2010, 04:52:36 AM »
markc.  I am one of those folks that intentionally gut shoot hogs and let them run off and die.  In my case I do not consider it unsportsmanlike.  We are overrun with hogs; I am surrounded by massive properties where no hunting is allowed, the hogs profligate so rapidly they have taken over.  I had never seen a hog on my place over the 20 plus years I have had it until approximately seven years ago.  At that time we had a good population of quail and turkey, there were plenty of deer, since the hogs have moved in we rarely see quail and I haven’t seen a turkey in three-four years, the hogs eat the eggs before they can hatch, and eat the young before they can escape.  I have found the larger hogs, 250 up; especially the boars are very tough, stink and,  in my opinion, they are not fit for human consumption.  I have killed many smaller pigs that I can not give away, folks just won’t take them, and even the food bank has refused the meat.  I therefore see the gut shooting as a means of reducing the number of hogs and as a means of preserving my property.  The pigs have destroyed fence, contaminated good springs to the point that another animal will not drink from them and is responsible for the destruction of native grasses.

To me, and many of my neighbors pigs are a destructive and any means of reducing the numbers is acceptable, gut shooting is just a means of trying to preserve what is mine.

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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2010, 06:03:37 AM »
Rockbilly, Neither My brother in law or I live in Texas.  He and my sister bought 60 acres to hunt on.  When we go down we are hunting.  When you stop a hog you are defending what you have from an encrouching pest.  Under those conditions take them down any way you can.  If it was me I would probably pick military caliber and use armor piercing for a pass through shot if it was legal.  We intend to keep coming down and hauling those varmints away packed in dry ice.  Fun for us, food for some good people in hard times, and just mabey fewer hogs tearing things up in Texas.  I've used a 357 mag winchester up to now but am switching to a short barrel 45-70 to practise up for elk up here in Az.

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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2010, 03:03:42 AM »
rockbilly, as a property owner, I can understand how destructive feral species, especially hogs, can be.  You mentioned ground nesting birds like quail, (lets add turkey and whitetail fawns as animals that feral swine can destroy), and again I understand.  however, I personally would not allow, on my property, anyone to intentionally gut shoot any animal to allow it to run off and suffer a slow painful death.  It might be only a feral hog, but it still deserves as quick a death as possible, and a head shot is the way to go.  If I do not want to butcher the hog, then I will head shoot it and dump it, but never intentionally mortally wound any animal just so that I don't have to do the work of hauling it off after it dies. 

You said, "I therefore see the gut shooting as a means of reducing the number of hogs and as a means of preserving my property."   In reality, a head shot does the same thing without causing the animal to suffer needlessly.  The gut shot is what it is, a lazy way to rid yourself of a pest species without getting your hands dirty by hauling the dead hog someplace to dump it.   BTW, a 250 lb hog is ecrtainly fit for eating if properly prepared.  I have no disagreement with mass killing the over population of feral hogs.  My disagreement is with what, in my opinion only, is an unethical and unsportsman way of doing it, by gut shooting it so it will die someplace else. 

Again, on your property you can make the rules.  My rules only apply to the property that I own.  No hard feelings I hope, just expressing an opinion. 
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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2010, 03:34:27 AM »
markc. In my younger days I might have agreed with you.  At 70 I don’t see as well as I use to and would be hard pressed to make an off-hand head shot on a barn door.  I shoot either an AK or Winchester Model 100 in .308, I try to hit as many as possible when I see them, after the first shot I would bet there are very few that can make a head shot on a running pig.  If I can pop off two-three rounds and make a gut shot on a couple of them I am pleased.

Pigs have destroyed crop costing me a considerable sum of money, last year alone I spent over 10K replacing fence destroyed by pigs, I have two water gaps over a creek that must be repaired/replaced at least once a year.  When they start getting into your pocket you may reconsider and start doing whatever necessary to eliminate them.

A rancher in a neighboring county used poison, I had thought about that too, but knowing I would have little control over what ate the poison I haven't gone that far. (And now there is a legal issue in doing that.).  Several local ranchers are using helicopters and shooting with 00 buck to control them, the state of Texas is even considering a state sponsored program to provide helicopters for control of high population areas.  These would be shot and left to die.

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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2010, 06:54:36 AM »
Posted by: rockbilly

I feel for you!  If and Only If you tried from day one and didn't do what I am about to say

I feel this in Years PAST Texas and or many to all Texans did their damnedest to Keep Hog Hunting to a High Pay Game animal (as their fence Deer) Screwing as many Hunters as they could for dollars and cents ,Well that Bit them right back because while
Holding out the hand of Greed the Hogs were Feedin and Breedin
But remember this ,I am the one who feels this maybe more like me Don't know
  I know one Poster here and he paid Texas some $$ and they gave him NO special treatment
Even as far as the Chopper guy telling him later in the day he saw a cat that (the outta state Payee) could have shot
but didn't see
So this story is THIS, A Pay hunter on the ground and a Paid For Chopper in the Sky
These story's just don't make sense to me One darn bit

I am sorry for your Loss they are damaging animals but Man and Greed has damaged Just as Much
and We are considered top of the chain

Those Pigs & Numbers didn't just show up in a day


I hope Texas finds a way to fix it safely by this I mean Safely for other animals man included
But I'd bet a dollar Man would revert it for Profit

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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2010, 08:49:32 AM »
give me a 10mm glock, 44mag, lever gun, or a M1 and i could take care of many hogs. I have been on extermination hunts before.
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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2010, 04:41:10 PM »
Something I dont think people realize here is that even if you are handy and can stalk pigs to their home you aint gonna kill but one or two with whatever you are shootin! There are some guys that use night vision and suppressed rifles and they only get one or two before the rest skedattle. One other point that escapes some of you is the fact they reproduce after only 6 months of age and drop up to ten piglets.

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Feral hogs are capable of breeding at six months of age but eight to ten months is normal, provided there is good nutrition. Under poor habitat conditions, sows have been known to eat their young. Gestation is around 115 days with an average litter size of four to six, but under good conditions may have ten to twelve young. While capable of producing two litters per year, research has shown the majority of sows have only one per year.

So gut shoot if you must you aint gonna gun shoot hogs out of existence, by your self more than likely. Or collectively for that matter!
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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2010, 02:59:17 AM »
rockbilly,  I won't argue further what someone does on their property to protect their investment.  However, seeing as your eye sight is not what it used to be, before considering using poison (which you have already pointed out can cause the death of non-targeted species, is illegal without license), have you tried:

Trapping?  I've caught as many as 22 at once in a single trap that I built.  That was 3 sows with their litters.  Quick population reduction all at one time.

Dogs?  Inviting, making it an annual thing, allowing hog doggers to catch hogs on your place.  Record catch that I was on, was 11 hogs within 3 hours using trained bay and catch dogs.  This was in the SH Natl forrest.  You can easily find hog doggers at Texasboars.com   There are probably some here on this forum.

Can unloading a magazine of AK, or .308 rounds even come close to either of those two methods for reducing the overall population as quickly?

I am  not sure how large your place is, but making it an annual hog round-up type hunt with dog handlers is an option I've seen done on some ranches in Texas, as well as other organized hog hunts at night, giving a small trophey to the guy who brings in the largest hog, etc.etc..

In other words, you open up opportunities for others to enjoy hog hunting, and help yourself at the same time by reducing the # of hogs.

Trapping isn't difficult, and if done properly with  a large round trap, you can easily catch sows with all their young ones at the same time.  Talk about thinning out the herd.  If you simply head shot the trapped hogs and dumped them, you would reduce their numbers significantly.   My wife and I trapped over 60 on a 183 acre lease in less than 6 months a couple of years back.   I would be glad to send you the trap design I used, with pictures.  If you are close by me, I will even help you set the thing up.   Then you can sell, shoot and dump, give away, or what ever the hogs you catch..
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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2010, 03:15:13 AM »
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Oldshooter,  I won't argue further what someone does on their property to protect their investment.

OOPs! wrong shooter Mark,  you are preaching to the choir here!  ;D
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« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2010, 08:31:33 AM »
Sorry about that.
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« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2010, 09:06:33 AM »
Its ok , good to know I have name recognition!  ;D
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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2010, 12:23:39 PM »
so there like coyotes. Then that a real problem.
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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #23 on: February 10, 2010, 05:19:46 AM »
so there like coyotes. Then that a real problem.

NO NOT AT all
coyote to hog
is like field mouse to Jack Rabbit

The damage by 5 to 10 hogs to a 100 yard Planted field
may be the entire Field lost
 the time elapsed for that damage may only be
a Nights worth
here is an example

We got keys to a Gov.Project State Pen
while it was being Built the Superintendent of the const. company
called and said come get the key and go in on the weekends and night
Kill them off
This was a fenced area ( State Penitentiary) the Big House lol
but unopened it was under const.
those hogs would hide in the building eat food left by the workers
But the reason they called us was they would lay sod or any kind of
Gardening plants the hogs would rip it out looking for grubs or what ever
They had to re-sod the entire area one full time  and partial till we finished
 because of the fence
 Zero hogs
the super took the last few while on the Job

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Re: texas pigs
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2010, 03:15:44 AM »

Tommyt.  I have a small property (275 acres) by comparison to those surrounding me, I don’t and have never charged anyone for hunting my place, it is used primarily by family, but on occasion they do bring friends along. 

As for the large “pay for hunt” properties, they are few in comparison to the number of small property farms/ranches;   I contribute the number of game animals in Texas, in part, to the management and breeding on some of the larger high fence ranches.  Most of these places have big dollars invested in their game management, feed alone for one owner I know in Coleman County runs near 200K a year.  He charges a handsome price for taking a trophy deer off his place, but he likely makes a small profit when compared to the cost of running the place.  His goal is breeding, developing a quality herd and selling sperm to other breeders.

I can fully understand the need to charge for hunting, a piece of property, in order to maintain a place charging is often necessary to meet expenses (tax, insurance, etc.)  Ranching and farming in my area is not always a profitable endeavor, seven years of drought have put many out of the ranching/farming business, the only means of holding on to their land is to lease for hunting.

As I said I have a relatively small place, I am situated ion the middle of several large ranches.  After turning off a Farm to Market road, I travel approximately seven miles through a ranch, then down a lane that fronts the 220 acre place south of mine.  To my North is a 6000 plus acre ranch (some say it is double that), no hunting allowed, to the East a property of approximately the same size, again, no hunting allowed, to the West is large property, I am not sure of the acreage, but would guess it exceeds 5000 acres, it is very rough, mostly scrub oak and cedar trees so thick a man can’t walk through.  I have seen a hunters there over the years, but very few.

Fibrous law suits have caused many to stop hunting on their place; hunters have also contributed to many properties being posted.  I know of one case where a hunter sued a property owner because he was shot by someone on the adjoining property.  He didn’t win his case, but it cost the property owner several thousand to defend himself.  Needless to say, no one hunts there any more.

To address marc’s comments, yes we have tried traps, but keep in mind, someone has to check the traps daily, and I don’t have the time to do that each day.  As for running dogs, I have a small place, once the hogs cross the fence line I can proceed no further, the dogs would likely be shot if seen on two of the places.

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2010, 02:20:51 PM »
rockbilly I thought you lived on your place.  One last idea, is to post a notice at the local feed stores (local paper) or by word of mouth, and see if there is someone who wants a place to trap and sell hogs.  Work up a legal contract, and allow them to trap the place and sell off what ever hogs they catch.  If the weather is hot, then yes, it would likely need to be checked daily and have a watering station inside the trap to be safe.  Nothing worse than a trap full of dead and decomposing hogs. 
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« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2010, 12:35:20 AM »
I just got in from a trip to a friends ranch in Juncton. He told me that the TPW. Recently came in with a chopper and a shooter and killed over 85 hogs in his "area". Now I'm not sure just how many ranches that included, and I know that it didn't eliminate the hog problem but we saw no hogs for three days where we usually do always.
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« Reply #27 on: February 15, 2010, 01:02:38 PM »
That just happened recently near our ranch.  The helecopter actually landed I hear, and a guy that got off said he was shooting hogs for the County I believe it was.  It is posted on our POA web site.  I personally would appreciate a warning phone call before someone does that nearby, and really would rather they not do that over my particular property, at least not while I am out there enjoying the place. 
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« Reply #28 on: February 15, 2010, 02:33:20 PM »
Yep, you know everything alive is stressed by that kind of activity, and Iwouldn't wanna be stalking some game when that chopper flew overhead!
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« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2010, 11:59:08 AM »
that make me think of that moive black hawk down were at the start they do a fly by on some pigs.
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