stoeger .177 rifle

[theduke]

Does anyone have one and do they shoot accurate enought for squirrel.  Is is worth $100 for it and scope.  New at gunshop.  thanks

[mtdotcomm]

Does anyone have one and do they shoot accurate enought for squirrel.  Is is worth $100 for it and scope.  New at gunshop.  thanks

Stoeger is the only air gun I've noticed gun mags..... they must be doing something right.

[JPShelton]

I don't have one.

But I DO know what it takes to build a spring-piston air rifle that is accurate enough for squirrel hunting, if by "squirrel hunting," we're talking about fair chase in the wild woods, and not potting semi-domesticated suburban squirrels off the bird feeder in the back yard.

I'll give you a hint: It takes more than any company could profitably sell at $100.00 for a rifle and scope combo.

I don't know how long it takes the OP to save $100.00.  But however long it takes, keep saving five times that long.  Then, with the $500.00, you can get in to a rifle like a Beeman R-9 that DOES have what it takes to smack a squirrel in the head and render it DRT (Dead Right There) all the way out to the 50 yard line.  Not only will it do that, but with reasonable care, it very well could keep on doing it for the whole of your life.

-JP

[S.S.]

Not everyone can throw that much into an air rifle!
I have some pretty pricey guns myself but I am not going
to sound disrespectful to anyone who doesn't!
Last one I bought was just a bit over 100 bucks and it has
plenty of power for squirrels and rabbits. On top of that
it is just plain fun to  shoot..
Squirrels must not know that a 100 dollar gun is not supposed to kill them

[lamerabbit]

Low end springers and kind of iffy, however a Co2 rifle like the qb's can get the job done, for about a 100 bucks, provided you take care not to reach too far.  Try Archer air guns.    In spring guns, the lowest I would try is the RWS 34, I have had a couple of them and they are pretty good.  However, like all piston guns they have their problems.  The best buy for long range tree rat shooting would be an RWS 48, however, they run 250 and up used.

The Beeman "R" guns are these second best, however even though I have had them all, I would not pay 500 bucks for an R9, that's just plane stupid.  I would buy a Marauder, or the Discovery with pump.   I just picked up a used RWS 34, and I am still working the bugs out.   So, if you buy used you should know what you are buying, like how this vintage 34 almost always has a busted main spring, which I will replace.

These days I would rather buy American, even if its only a Sheridan pumper, I have had a couple and they would shoot out to fifty yards quite well, but mounting a scope is a bit of a problem.  I found a 3 power piston scope mounted with the Sheridan mount to work very well, but there is some trajectory drope at that range.   It takes some hold over and  a good bit of know hoe to hit inside an inch at that range, but it is do-able.

Jim

[JPShelton]

The Beeman "R" guns are these second best, however even though I have had them all, I would not pay 500 bucks for an R9, that's just plane stupid. 

If the quoted poster is intending to infer that "R" series rifles are "second best," I would submit that whether they are or aren't depends on the use one plans on putting them to. 

Paying $500.00 for an R-9 might indeed be "stupid" if that amount doesn't represent the current average new price for one.  If it does, then I don't think paying that much for an R-9 is stupid at all.  If something were to happen to my .20 which would cause me to have to replace it, I would HAPPILY replace it with another R-9 in .20 and pay whatever the current price is.  If it is $500.00, then so be it.  The R9's combination of build quality, accuracy, power to weight ratio, durability, parts support, and end-user servicability are tough to beat and I think these things are worth paying for.

The quoted poster quite obviously disagrees.  Personally, I'd rather have a single R-9 than a closet full of Sheridan pumpers and Dianawerke products.

-JP

[lamerabbit]

Actually, I rather like my two custom Precharges, but they sure aren't a hundred bucks, or even 500 bucks.   The R9 is Ok, I had two of them.  The tuned one was the better of the two, of course, but I liked them both.  I killed a wood chuck with one in 177 caliber, with one shot at 45 yards.    However, went it comes to spring guns the TX 200 is still the top gun, bar none, cept those two or three grand custom jobs... 

The R guns all have problem triggers, but they are better than the RWS, that's a fact.  But, I would still rather have American, if I were in the market for another air rifle, it would be the Marauder, unless someone tells me they are made somplace else.  I am sure that it would need a bit of refining, but AA had them for 400 bucks, and that's a bargin.

[theduke]

I really want to know from someone who has a stoeger rifle.  Not interested in heresey.  Benjamin and rws are good but want to know about stoeger only.  thanks

[scout4]

theduke go to the stoeger airgun website its www.stoegerairguns.com tells you all about their air rifles. scout4<><

[lamerabbit]

When you go to the Stoeger sight and you read the write up the one of the first things you will read is that it is manufactured in China.  That speaks for it's self, I don't care who's name you put on it, be it Beemans, Winchester or Bam, it is all the same.  To translate it all means bad with a likelihood of being really poor.

As you can also see by the number of happy buyers telling you how wonderful these rifles are and how well these guns perform, how many are really good….

This is my last word of the matter. 

Good luck Duke as you are going to need it.

[panayoti]

I have a ruger air hawk. Picked it up at K-mart for $120. It was made in China.
The sights are plastic that is the only real negative. This is the first airgun I have bought in 35 years. I don't have experience with high end airguns.
I have put about 300 pellets through it.
It is reasonably accurate when i do my part. Trigger is not bad.
I haven't taken any game with it yet. That will have to wait until spring when the squirrels get more active.

[S.S.]

"When you go to the Stoeger sight and you read the write up the one of the first things you will read is that it is manufactured in China.  That speaks for it's self, I don't care who's name you put on it, be it Beemans, Winchester or Bam, it is all the same.  To translate it all means bad with a likelihood of being really poor."

Well I have all three of the above mentioned airgun brands and can not complain.
My winchester was made in Turkey though, not China. It will put ten rounds
on a dime size target at 30 yards in .177 at almost 900 fps. What is bad about that?
Beeman is about the same. As far as the Bam's, I have a QB78 that is made by industry brand
which are the same I think and it puts its shots into 1/2 inch at 30 yards.
Beautifully made, fit and finish are Perfect. At a bit over $100 bucks from Archer Airguns,
I think I made a wise investment. It does everything I wanted it to do and I could
buy 3 more and almost a Lifetime supply of pellets and C02 for what
I could get another FWB or RWS for! If the Stoeger is in the same class as the above
mentioned guns, it is in good company.I am looking to get one of the Chinese side lever guns now,
just to see what they are like! gonna look at a Stoeger now too..

[theduke]

thanks scout4.  I got mine at gun shop the x10 for $100.  and it came with scope and adjustable trigger with good sights.  I will let you know how shoots soon.  rifle feels good.

[theduke]

ss It says made in italy not china. 

[scout4]

You're welcome duke! glad I can help scout4<><

[lamerabbit]

Thank God!  it's  italy, and not China, but that is not what I read on the Stoeger web sight review, but that was only on  one rifle, and they import several models......

At least it's not dry wall, pet food, or toys for are kids................

[S.S.]

Will Still administer "lead poisoning" as well as chinese toys though

[S.S.]

ss It says made in italy not china. 

I was quoting a previous post.....
Myself, I thought they were German?

[theduke]

I purchased rifle and 4X32 scope for $100.  Rifle shoots well can put 5 shots in nickle sized dot at 25 yards.  It has adjustable trigger pull which I had to adjust.  Trigger is still a little heavy.  The rings that come with scope are not very good will replace.  The gun is x10 model black with fiber optic sites and 4x32 scope.  For $100 gun is worth price paid.  Gun shoots well and has plenty of power at over 1,000fps.  I am going to shoot my friends rws and compare.  My stoeger weighs about 6 pounds and his rws weighs 10 pounds.  Both are .177  thanks

[bobtodrick]

lamerabbit...I thought you'd had your last word on the subject a couple of posts back??!!
In truth I used to think the same about the Chinese guns as well...my previous experiece being with a couple of Marksman's from about 10 years ago.
Yup...they were junk with a capital 'J'.
But my XS-B9 (Xisico) that I recently purchased is as well made as my CZ Slavia or my Avanti 853 (at 1/3 the price).  And a hell of a lot better built than my 'made in USA' Crosman Nightstalker.
I'm all for buying locally made stuff...when it is better.  But paying a premium just to be a snob...I guess I just wish I was in your income bracket.

[mtdotcomm]

Gentleman, this is a quote from the Stoeger web site...."Developed by Italian engineers and designers"

Here is a image of a Stoeger Airgun, note the breech end of the barrel.....

http://usa.stoegerairguns.com/products/detail_view.php?i=detail_x20c_rear_sight.jpg

[lamerabbit]

Well, could be the writer of that review got it wrong!   They could all be made in Italy.  It won't be the first time a writer got his info wrong and had it printed in some rag.  There is a very famous airgun writer who was made managing editor of a thriving airgun magazine, and he screwed up his first issue so badly that the magazine went under; yet this guy is still working as an airgun writer, go figure!

The truth lies in the fact that the manufactures’ rely on names other than their own to sell their guns, that in its self bothers me.   What I said still stands, and I just love to hear about nickel sized groups at 25 yards, that is hardly good accuracy.  My RX1 as tuned by Dave Slade shot 3/8 of inch a 50 yards!   Now few break barrel will shoot that well.  Hell my JM tuned TX would not shoot that well. 

I have had a couple of Chinese airguns and both were bad.  No, not bad more like useless!   The B51 that I bought I had to send back cause it blew air out everywhere, some of it even went out the barrel.  The spring gun that I bought was even worse, getting 400 FPS by my chronograph.   While it was not rated at 1000FPS it was rated to shoot 800FPS.

Not every Chinese airgun is bad, or even poor, some are quite usable however, at our club, there are about 3 that are being shot out of near 20 that were bought buy our club members.  Again that speaks for its self.

Un like” JP”  I won’t go around bashing peoples groups, or their guns just because they are not up to my standards, however when asked I always try to tell it like it is!  I see no reason that others should have to make the same mistakes that I have made, but like the old saying you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.

Lastly, I will also tell you all that “People believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts!   History, and belief’s like the world is flat, and religion prove that fact beyond any reasonable doubt.”

The above quote is mine!   I have written it before, several times and still “People believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts.”  You all will keep believeing what you choose regardless of what anyone tells you or of what the facts are..............

Jim   

[S.S.]

Facts? one or two bad experiences hardly makes it fact in ALL cases.
One of the worst P.O.S. guns I have ever encountered was the M-16.
So no matter how many folks absolutely love theirs, the Fact that I had
bad experiences with the one I was issued makes it a fact that they are
all pieces of crap.

[lamerabbit]

You need to re-read the post, it was not just my 2 bad, but the 3 good out of 20 and that's what I talking about, and yes when a member buys a new gun just about every one takes a turn shooting it, well only if it isn't  Chinese! 

The M-16 you speak of is both the worsted and one of the best rifles ever made, and that is the whole point.  Back in the day, they misfired and jamed, and were junk, because of the way they were made, (no crome in the barrel so they rusted amoung other things, like bad ammo), however Colt and others finally learned from their mistakes.

"You believe what you want to believe, regardless of the facts!"

And you just proved it. 

Jim

[mtdotcomm]

Well, could be the writer of that review got it wrong!   They could all be made in Italy.  It won't be the first time a writer got his info wrong and had it printed in some rag.  There is a very famous airgun writer who was made managing editor of a thriving airgun magazine, and he screwed up his first issue so badly that the magazine went under; yet this guy is still working as an airgun writer, go figure!

The truth lies in the fact that the manufactures’ rely on names other than their own to sell their guns, that in its self bothers me.   What I said still stands, and I just love to hear about nickel sized groups at 25 yards, that is hardly good accuracy.  My RX1 as tuned by Dave Slade shot 3/8 of inch a 50 yards!   Now few break barrel will shoot that well.  Hell my JM tuned TX would not shoot that well.  

I have had a couple of Chinese airguns and both were bad.  No, not bad more like useless!   The B51 that I bought I had to send back cause it blew air out everywhere, some of it even went out the barrel.  The spring gun that I bought was even worse, getting 400 FPS by my chronograph.   While it was not rated at 1000FPS it was rated to shoot 800FPS.

Not every Chinese airgun is bad, or even poor, some are quite usable however, at our club, there are about 3 that are being shot out of near 20 that were bought buy our club members.  Again that speaks for its self.

Un like” JP”  I won’t go around bashing peoples groups, or their guns just because they are not up to my standards, however when asked I always try to tell it like it is!  I see no reason that others should have to make the same mistakes that I have made, but like the old saying you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.

Lastly, I will also tell you all that “People believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts!   History, and belief’s like the world is flat, and religion prove that fact beyond any reasonable doubt.”

The above quote is mine!   I have written it before, several times and still “People believe what they want to believe, regardless of the facts.”  You all will keep believeing what you choose regardless of what anyone tells you or of what the facts are..............

Jim  

You've made a lot of statements here about yourself and your opinion.............. What is your point ??

[S.S.]

""Back in the day, they misfired and jamed, and were junk, because of the way they were made""

You think maybe the same could be true for other companies too?
Might have improved a bit?
The only facts I am concerned with really are,
This gun only cost me a little over 100 bucks. and when I squeeze
the trigger a head-shot squirrel falls out of the tree. Those are facts
that impress me.
My Beeman (Yes, I have one just like you have) does exactly
the same thing and cost over 3 times as much.
So do my Crosmans, my other Beemans, my Sheridans my Gamo's
a nice old Webley and One hand made custom that is one of a kind!
But Who cares! My 100+ dollar "Chinese" Tack driving "Garbage Gun"
Is just as much fun as the others, and does its intended job with excellence.
I am so impressed with it that here is my next one.
http://www.compasseco.com/tech-force-caliber-p-1727.html
This isn't a manhood measuring contest, It's about having fun.

[S.S.]

And I just remembered the ones that I have in my shop that attach to the air compressor
and fire a thousand or so BB' a minute..(and one that will fire oo buck almost as fast).. I have a butt kickin' Tater gun too...It's about fun, not mines bigger or better than yours.

[lamerabbit]

Dear SS:

Actually it wasn't colt that caused the M16 problem it was JFK's super brain boys that thought they could save money by not chrome plating the barrels,   and not giving our troops cleaning kits.  This cost some of our boys their lives.  And this is not a learning curve, this is borders on treason for a few bucks and because they thought they were smatter than everyone else, like you.

The only reason some Of these Chinese have not gone to jail, for killing our pets, leading up our kids toys and selling us poisoned dry wall, is because our laws don’t apply over there.  Personally, since you think so much of their products, why don’t you move their, and swear allegiance to their flag?   I sure they would respect your right to keep and bear arms…………….


 " I have in my shop that attach to the air compressor and fire a thousand or so BB' a minute..(and one that will fire oo buck almost as fast).. I have a butt kickin' Tater gun too...It's about fun, not mines bigger or better than yours."   

That’s always what it comes down to….  And if that’s you idea precision shooting, throwing as much lead or "taters" as you can.  While, I am sure it is fun for you, it would bore me to tears, and many others too….  after 30 about seconds!

Tell my why don’t you hunt with an M60, oh yes that would be illegal, maybe we should carry min-guns, just for dear hunting.  In that case I think I would pass on ever going out into the woods hunting ever again.     It is bad enough I see clowns caring rifles in one hand and a beer in the other.  Now, just add full auto…….

Yes your is bigger than mine, but at least I aim mine

PS don't forget to wave your new flag!

[S.S.]

You are one confused fella'
That pretty much made no sense at all?
Kind of like an Obama Speech.
Have fun with your Beeman poking little holes in paper
at your "CLUB" and I will continue to harvest Game
with my Chinese Garbage guns.. I am not going to get
down to the level of a pi$$ing match just out of respect
for the other people on this site. No need to come back
with anything that makes more sense because I am going to
place you on my IGNORE list and I will not see anyway.
Good evening... 

[lamerabbit]

Two facts your the are the One who said yours was bigger than mine, if that's not trying to start a pissing match I don't know what is?

Of course it did not make sense, you have to be able to read in order to understand what's posted.

Paper targets?  Again you show your ignorance.   We shoot something called field target, but I sure you don't know what that is either.

You handle S.S. is even offensive and again you show your ignorance by using such.  If someone has to explain the why, then I really feel sorry for you.

If you can't take the facts then don't sling your nonsense at me!

Go run and hide.