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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2010, 03:45:38 PM »
I can't do just 1. Put aside emotion and and love for high cap autos I'd have to let the wisdom of simplicity win out and take my GP100 and my 617 Smith. Gotta be the .357 and .22, both stainless DA 4" revolvers

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #61 on: August 17, 2010, 02:52:09 PM »
G-23 .40s&w. I would of course have my .22 rifle w/ me as well.

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« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2010, 04:54:45 AM »
Same here! 

Call me Crazy but I would reach for my Ruger Single Six and both cylinders .22 WMR and long rifle
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« Reply #63 on: December 15, 2010, 07:27:31 PM »
I can't do just 1. Put aside emotion and and love for high cap autos I'd have to let the wisdom of simplicity win out and take my GP100 and my 617 Smith. Gotta be the .357 and .22, both stainless DA 4" revolvers

Put aside "emotion" and scrap the hi-cap autos!!??  No emotion with me if I might face multiple threats like a gang.  Much rather have a 9mm or .40S&W Glock with 16 or 14 shots respectively, than a 5 or 6-shot wheelgun! (SP101 or .357 Service Six).  Of course facing a gang my first preference would be a FAL or AR.

Isn't that GP100 about a 6-pound anvil?   ::)

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« Reply #64 on: December 15, 2010, 07:28:24 PM »
G-23 .40s&w. I would of course have my .22 rifle w/ me as well.
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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #65 on: January 19, 2011, 09:54:13 AM »
It seems to me that these types of threads are ideal places for folks to brag about what they own.  ;D

I have a friend that has tons of lead buried in his backyard. 3safes full of all kinds of guns and he believes he's well prepared for whatever comes his way. If you run how do you take it with you? If you stay in your home how do you defend what you have? How many of you have carried around a thousand rounds of 357 ammo for a day? Or 45acp.

Truth is 22lr is the only round you could physically carry a reasonable supply. That's my experience anyway.

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #66 on: January 19, 2011, 10:23:32 AM »
Byron, all valid points!
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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2011, 12:41:02 PM »
180rds loaded into six mags, plus a full mag inserted in the gun (m-16)  the gun is about 10lbs if it's an A-4 with two mags and junk on it
2 grenades three pounds a piece
at4 (one-shot, disposable rocket launcher) about 20
3L camel-bak, 4 1.5L bottles of water  not sure, heavy though the weight is in multiple pockets and a tiny backpack
1 Bayonet, 1 boot-knife, 1 folding pocket-knife negligible
Gas Mask and extra filter 5lbs?
Chewing tobacco and tobacco for rolling cigarettes, one mre, one or two boxes of stripper clips which is maybe 60rds?  altogether is forty roughly???

the flak-jacket (5lbs) with armor plates (30 total?) , kevlar helmet (2?) and combat boots (4) is itself quite a burden... the weapon and ammo is nothing (eighty now?).  water is heavy but you sweat and consume what you carry really quick so it's a non-issue for the most part.  that's a combat load in iraq by the way.  if the stuff hit the fan you'd find that as a civilian that wasn't required to carry that crap you could substitute most of it for ammo, food, medicine and a tent maybe (or just not have your back ache unnecessarily).  I don't buy that a grown man that's healthy can't carry lots of ammo- just that death would come during the reloads.  what's the weight stats to your memory nelson?

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2011, 04:46:13 PM »
Squib, as a Chaplain mind you, no guns or ammo, my battle rattle with assault pack (and I pack light: water, poncho liner, chow, communion set, bible, iPod, camera, toothbrush and drawers) weighed in at 48#. Figure another 30-40 for combat loadout. I remember several fine summer days, 8-10 hours on foot. One of my Gunnys drew a Bernelli for mounted, on the dismount he carried an M4 cause it was lighter ... by like a #, which I pointed out and he had that puzzled look, like a pig at a wristwatch.

Back in my enlisted days I have carried 120#, cold weather and an M60. I don't recommend it; one of the reasons I pack as light as I can these days is because I wore out my joints for Uncle Sam.



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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #69 on: January 22, 2011, 09:04:11 AM »
Squib, your list is fine as long as you can resupply frequently. Then many of us are older and have health issues that mean we could not pack those loads. Right now I'm recovering from bypass surgery and am not supposed to pick up more than 10lbs.

I'm thankful we have you young guys that are in shape to do our fighting but those days are over for me. However I can still shoot and would do what I can in a crisis.  ::)

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #70 on: January 23, 2011, 03:40:16 PM »
I got worn out by an ied at age 20, I'm not a haus anymore!!!  I'm saying what a REAL combat load is, not what I'd want to carry necessarily.  If you feel like you have a target on your back then you might want to cover it up with a LOT of gear, that's all I'm saying.  I waddle sometimes when my back hurts now, I can imagine it being much worse if I had to carry a bunch of stuff around again, but if the stuff hit the fan and splattered all over- I would carry as much as I could.  I'd be smart enough to keep it in duffel bags and such that I could drop on the ground and run, or stash easily though.... I'll never have that much stuff strapped to me again.  Traveling lite ISN'T smart, FIGHTING lite is. 

you fight TOO lite if you left all your gear at home though  :-X

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2011, 04:29:28 PM »
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a duffelbag full of clothing and food (meds if you have them) would weigh very little, so one of those would be no big deal to carry for a few hundred yards in between breaks (you don't have to march all day until half dead of thirst, no one to push you on if you're on your own right!) lbv (load bearing vests) aren't terribly expensive.  a decent, basic lbv and holster rig can hold 20lbs of gear that feel like less and sustain you for a day or two while you're separated from your drop bags.  you COULD get really basic and JUST have (the bare minimum) a microfiber blanket folded up in a back-pack with a couple bottles of water, a box of ammo to replenish your "magazine(s)" and socks, that could get you by for two days with your sidearm.

AFTER getting healthy (relatively) you can at least walk 100yds at a time in hard terrain and take a breather, go a mile or two and nap/snack/camp if you have to.  I'm not saying you should carry a viking helmet and a broadsword and go conan when your spas-12 goes empty  ::) 

personally I keep s-h-t-f gear ready and it is heavy (literally all I can carry and still walk unassisted), but it's in separate drop bags and can be put down and consolidated in a small stack out of sight in a mobile-cache.  quick and quiet to drop, same for reacquisition.  you don't have to do this, but it's efficient and easy- more if you have a spouse or family/friends to pass the bags around to in shifts while traveling.  last but not least sleep in shifts.  no guns or gear work if you're not awake and alert to use them!

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2011, 06:48:47 PM »
Actually all u say squib is good info but how it applies to self sustainable living I'm not sure. It seem these topics have a way of taking on a life of their own. The only people I know that can really live off the land are the native people of Alaska. I have lived with them for years and if they lack equipment they just make do.
They have unbleviable survival skills. Which I think applies to this forum more than fighting everyone you meet like so many here seem to plan to do. Better they never knew you were there.
It seems every thread that involves a gun turns into a bear gun thread and every other a bug out senerio. Self sustainable is neither IMO.

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #73 on: January 23, 2011, 08:57:37 PM »
Byron, it seems to me that for many it would take a catastrophic event to trigger self-sustainable living. And furthermore, such an event may include social unrest of such a scale that armed conflict would accompany. So in preparation of the expected transition from a very much unsustainable lifestyle to sustainability, they stockpile hoards of items which will allow them to sustain their current quality of life for a time past this hypothetical catastrophe until and even less likely solution is found and normalcy restored. Heavy and usually military spec weapons are required to defend ones stockpile from either roving organized bands of heavily armed cannibals, possibly on motorcycles, or Blue Helmeted troops, who may also have been exposed to a rage virus and are now zombies. And after this event, great numbers of heretofore undiscovered bears will wander up and down our streets, with hide so tough only a belted magnum or 12ga slug will do. And we must carry sufficient firepower for all these extremes with us at all times.

Seems better to me to be moving toward self-sustainability now, which requires less gear but more know-how and innovation. It seems also wiser to me to prep for the scenarios with the highest likelihood, which to me could be met with a handgun. Sounds like your native friends have got along just fine probably for generations, with more beArs than we might see down here. They might not be up to a zombie apocalypse, but I'm betting they got pretty much everything else covered.

It may be that some will find themselves in a real pickle after a social meltdown, and I don't deny that we're due. I believe if folks watch the signs, they'll know whether to grab the combat loadout or the single six before they head out the door.
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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #74 on: January 24, 2011, 01:57:16 PM »
inuit don't have to worry since zombies can't survive in the cold (or if they DON'T die, they at least freeze up indefinitely in the tundra, so out of commission either way).  the rest of us should have a few carry bags, and lbv/tac vests holstering a CZ-75 preferably...

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #75 on: February 01, 2011, 03:44:59 PM »
Actually all u say squib is good info but how it applies to self sustainable living I'm not sure. It seem these topics have a way of taking on a life of their own. The only people I know that can really live off the land are the native people of Alaska. I have lived with them for years and if they lack equipment they just make do.
They have unbleviable survival skills. Which I think applies to this forum more than fighting everyone you meet like so many here seem to plan to do. Better they never knew you were there.
It seems every thread that involves a gun turns into a bear gun thread and every other a bug out senerio. Self sustainable is neither IMO.

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I always thought the one gun threads fit the survival forum better than sustainability.  But, who am I to judge.    Survival and sustainability often go hand and hand. 

I know that a man with a garden and a 22 will always have a supply of fresh meat.  Unless they live in the city like me.  That's why I got a 22 cal pellet chamber adapter for my 223.  Squirrel and rabbit; fresh meat that my wife won’t eat.
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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #76 on: February 01, 2011, 08:19:41 PM »
How about a Taurus Judge?  Shoots 45 long colt and .410 shot shells.  Great self defense loads but can use the .410 load for game as well.  Very versatile.

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #77 on: February 02, 2011, 01:55:33 AM »
I wouldn't depend on a judge , patterns with a hole in the middle and unstable bullet flight. IMHO.
 When the trouble starts most will at some point be in a crowd moving away from problem and the toting of a long gun may draw unwanted attention. You may be called on by others to decide arguments. Better to stay out of the lime light. If later a long gun is needed aquire one , after a few weeks there should be lots laying around.
 From a survival point of view more humans have faced nature with less from a long bone to spear. Also many handguns today surpass the rifles of yesterday in power and accuracy.
 Tatics will see most thru. If you defend yourself with a handgun you will do so different than with a shotgun or rifle. Master your tatics , learn woodcraft and gain street smarts. If you go on the move you may need to operate in all places . Learn to not be a stand out . Learn to hide and move un noticed. Learn how to aquire food and water . Learn how to stay out of traps and choke points. I think good night vision equipment and quiet 22 would make alot of sense . But what ever you take make sure it is ON you and can be most of the time.
If you hunker down at home the display of food ammo and guns will draw unwanted attention. A safe full of AR's won't plant a garden better to have a shead full of tools IMHO !
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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #78 on: February 02, 2011, 04:28:45 AM »
Now your talking Farmboy, Your post fits in exactly with the spirit of this forum. How the grizzly bears & zombies fit in is what I question.
I think some are just playing games with reality.

Actually you will eat better if you grow or gather your food and supliment that with fresh meet. And every garden I've been around attracts eatible animals. Your statement makes the most sense I've read in this thread so far. But thats just me'

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #79 on: February 28, 2011, 03:41:33 PM »
Any 22 long rifle wheelgun, your choice of make and model, as long as you are comfortable with it.  We are talking  SURVIVAL GUN HERE.  First...wheelgun...less complicated that an automatic and less moving parts. Second...why a 22 you ask? If it is a survival situation, the less noise you make the less attention you attract. And third, trust me when you are hunting large game....it knows you are after it...if you have a large caliber gun you will more than likely take more chances than you would with a small caliber where shot placement counts more. And last but not least.....ammunition availability.....more than a high percentage of rural homes will have 22 caliber bullets in them. It is the most common and plentiful ammo out there. If ou are in a survival situation scavenging and foraging for foodstuffs and tools equipment will be a must. 

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #80 on: March 26, 2011, 01:52:42 PM »
It looks to me like the original  intent of the OP by TeamNelson was that one handgun was not enough;  Indicated by the (?).    What I learned from all the handgun threads is that I greatly underestimated their value and usefulness.  If I had to choose one it would be a Dan Wesson in 357 with a 4” barrel and a 8” with a scope.  The 4” for defense and 8” for hunting.  But, I'd rather have two guns with the same barrels and a 22lr 5” or 6” for small game.  A good thing about this tread is that it makes you set priorities.
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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #81 on: March 26, 2011, 05:08:45 PM »
I think sometimes we overestimate the "wandering rape and pillage armed gang" scenario of a SHTF scenario with frequent violent encounters.  It could happen but things would really need to be very bad ... no government, no civilization period, for that to really come about.  We probably have watched too many apocalypse movies.  I hope we as gun owners and gun supporters basically believe the majority of gun owners are good people and there are a very low minority of criminals in our society and that the good far outweighs the bad.  That being a given and the fact of the wandering off into the boonies ready to kill or be killed is probably a bit of a fantasy.  Cornelius Ryan, the author of "The Longest Day" and "A Bridge Too Far" also wrote a lesser know but more revealing novel called "The Last Battle" which was about Berlin in the last year of the war before the USSR came in.  The most revealing was how the citizens survived both before and after.

I just can't be convinced that in the improbable event that one was confronted with an armed gang that they would have much of a chance fighting no matter their arnament.  Don Heath's various posts make a lot of sense regarding confrontations.

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #82 on: March 28, 2011, 08:48:38 AM »
So Vacek,

Have you seen a copy of that other book in any recent years?  And can you share any highlights?  Mind you that was europe and not the USA, but no doubt it could prove insightful, even just to validate some of the things (perhaps) already included in some American books ("Alas Babylon,"  James Wesley Rawle's "Patriots," - just to name two).

As for weapons and scrounging fresh meat with a rimfire, these threads have convinced me that two weapons are needed - almost always for the well-equipped home owner/patriot/survivor.

Whether one packs his favorite sidearm or carbine or shotgun for serious protection (and even limited invasions by anything/anyone "hostile"), I would als recommend having a .22 of some kind in addition to the "weapon."  My thoughtts go to Rawle's book (Patriots), but also books from Duncan Long, Ragner Benson and 'Boston T. Party.'  There's also flicks like 'Omega Man' and 'The Day After,' and still others.

With a thread like this I'd caution some that there's no such thing as the proverbial one-size-fits-all solutions!

I know I've brought up dealing with grizzlies or zombies
, but whether any kinds of those threats arise will depend HUGELY on someone's location (for starters) and an UNKNOWN amount of luck - for avoiding any gangs (zombies) whatsoever!

By this thread's theme, any neighbors who attack you because they're unprepared and might be starving (if the USA finds itself like Sendai Japan),do those 'starving' neighbors constitute "zombies?"

Whatever.

Going back to the theme of this thread, I'd change its question to one "What one .22 or pelletgun would you want to have?"  Besides having a personal weapon, a 10inch .22 in a pistol (shot by a skilled shooter) gives near-like .22-rifle performance, but a 4 to 6 to 8in .22LR revolver would certainly  be handy for collecting small game too.  Maybe what one ends up with is simply gonna depend on what they have at the time an emergency arises?  Or the SHTF?

On other boards I have seen discussed the Ruger RST .22LR pistols, even the version with the bull 10inch barrel.  That gun came it blue and stainless.  Also Keystone Arms (who makes the Crickett singleshot pint-sized rifle) also makes a singleshot version of that gun in a handgun, for target and silhouette shooters, but also for hunters who like a specialized squirrel gun I'd guess too.

I would consider either of these last two models of those guns for the role discussed as survival guns.
  They can be used with open sights, or custom sights or optics/red dots.  They can be carried in specialized holsters/scabbords or on a sling.

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #83 on: March 28, 2011, 10:24:18 AM »
I posted the original question on the sustainability thread because my question is only in part about "effectiveness." Survival questions focus on "use" and tend to drift into "caliber" discussions, with the arguments breaking down into themes of "you need at least this big of a caliber to survive a [insert] attack." While that's interesting, the point is consistently made that no single "caliber" can cover it all in "survival". But I didn't ask about "caliber", I asked about "handgun," and I asked it in the "sustainable living" thread.

Sustainable living implies self-sufficiency for the long term, and in a bad-case scenario, perhaps for multiple generations. Whether its triggered by a major event for which many folks will slip into a "survivor" mentality, or the sustatinable lifestyle becomes a necessity as the economy continues to dip, the bottom line is: you cannot rely on anyone or anything over and above what you have prepared, for anything you require. In that frame of mind (i.e. sustainable living), if you could only have one handgun, which one would it be? Unlike perhaps others, I expect a handgun to be like underwear or a good pocket knife - on me all the time.

For example, it could be a Smith & Wesson Double Action Revolver in .357, maybe stainless, with a couple of sets of grips. You may have picked it because you've found it to be a durable, simple to operate and simple to maintain action that you fully anticipate will continue to serve your grandchildren when you are long dead. You may have picked it because you know that everyone in your family can operate it; you can use it in either hand if you're injured. In order to sustain that handgun, you probably have the means to cast bullets and reload for it. It would require stockpiling powder and primers, and nothing in the support chain should require electricity. You might have holsters for it, and cleaning gear. You may have chosen that caliber for the uses you expect, like hunting pig and deer, and killing predatory animals, within your practiced limits, or self-defense against a 2 legged predator. You may have a different sustainable option, like traps or snares, for getting small game, so a .22 might not be as necessary for you. You may have a different sustainable option for large game, like a selfbow with your own arrows, so a centerfire rifle might not be as useful to you for that role.

Or you may not feel comfortable unless you have a collection of firearms like golfclubs - a different specialized tool for every job in your sustainable lifestyle. In which case you would naturally have to cover multiple calibers, various tools, parts, etc. Its a much more complex sustainment issue, one the military, for example, avoids because of cost and complexity. But if you have the means, go for it.

I left defense against raiders, zombies and grizzlies out of my equation as they are so unique as to require their own solution, if they cannot be avoided ... which is the most sustainable option.
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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #84 on: March 28, 2011, 10:47:03 AM »

For example, it could be a Smith & Wesson Double Action Revolver in .357, maybe stainless, with a couple of sets of grips. You may have picked it because you've found it to be a durable, simple to operate and simple to maintain action that you fully anticipate will continue to serve your grandchildren when you are long dead.

Yep 357 would be (and is) my exact choice, except make mine Ruger.
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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #85 on: March 28, 2011, 02:33:59 PM »
TeamNelson, no need to justify your intent. It fits here. Had it been worded differently it could have been placed in a few different forums as well. It was worded to fit in the correct forum you placed it in.

Not knocking your thread at all. I used to hunt solely with pistols for years. They just wouldn't be for me for sustainability today due to accuracy. As well as the practice needed to be competent with one in the field. Sure it is hard to beat to have a concealable means of firepower. For protection I am all for a pistol.
However the way I look at it is this. I don't practice like I used to. A squirrel at 50 yards is as good as in the pot if I have a good little rifle and a tree to lean on. With a pistol these days he will be snug in his nest in just a matter of seconds. Sustainability for me means successfully doing things that prolong my life. I can still hit squirrels out to 100 with a trusty rifle with good regularity. Even a bit farther if everything goes right. Increase velocity, diameter and energy with a centerfire and for me it really leaves the pistol as a one hit wonder. Just for protection. As stated I used to be a handgun hunter. Over the years I passed countless shots due to conditions not being ideal. If I was hungry I imagine I wouldn't worry about being ethical anymore so I would probably just needlessly wound a lot of animals if all I had was a pistol. Best bet for me would have the absolute best opportunity to get food in my belly from the get go. So for me, a good rifle for meat on the table and a dependable pistol for protection.
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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #86 on: March 29, 2011, 02:36:23 PM »
Cougar,

The book is a historical novel, so the characters are not real but the situation was.  You can get about any book you want (used) on half.com and usually at a really good price.  I got Phil Sharpe's tome on handloading for less than $30 a few years ago.    I digress.... The novel centers around a widow and her daughter who is a musician for the Berlin Symphony but goes through the period of the Allied bombing then the first few weeks USSR occupation.  In the earlier stages of the book the mother to get some food has a "romantic" arrangement with a gentleman, learns to cut some meat from horses killed by the bombs, etc. 

My point was that typically even when things are really bad there is still some semblance of society and even some order, and thats largely because there are a lot more non-psycopathic persons than psycopaths and good people tend to bond together.  Even tho there is a lot of "bartering" and taking advantage of the weaker there usually isn't the wholesale maruading and slaughter. 

Now saying that, in developing countries you do get marauders as we see today in Africa, but that is largely because a settled society didn't really exist to begin with.  I can contradict all of this in regards to Leningrad in which there apparently were gangs going around with canniblistic appetites.  I guess they were recognizable by pink complexions and were fat. 

Back to the original post, if I had to choose and had to be nomadic and could only have 1 handgun it would be my Mark 1 Ruger and a brick of 22's.  Even though I reload (including casting) on a weight standpoint I would have to go rimfire.

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #87 on: March 29, 2011, 06:38:15 PM »
      The choice of your handgun is totally dependant upon the choice of your rifle, which is your no. 1 arm.   If you choose a .22 rifle, then you sure don't need a .22  handgun.  You need a .357 or a .45.  If you choose a .30 caliber rifle, then you may well need a .22 handgun.

      A .22 handgun would be totally useless to me.  I can't hit the broad side of a barn with a handgun, even with target sights, so the concept of "shooting small game" at more than 10 feet with it would be irrelevant to me.   And, the .22 handgun has pathetic stopping power in up-close self-defense scenarios.  I would be more apt to choose a lighter caliber rifle, and a heavy caliber handgun.

     Splitting the difference would mean a .357/.38 lever rifle, plus a .357/.38 revolver.  A .357 mag from a rifle still has the same foot pounds of power at 200 yards as a 9mm point blank.  Or, if you prefer to go lighter, a 9mm carbine and 9mm handgun. 

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #88 on: March 30, 2011, 03:48:22 PM »
Good point Manny. I think you nailed it, and I think any of your three different ways to go could be valid. I would think that your rifle should be appropriate for whatever hunting might be available in your area. But it should also be of a type that could be used for defense. Something that shoots faster than a boltgun. I would even consider a 22 auto a self defense gun in close range country. Then as Manny says, the handgun compliments the rifle. The idea of a single caliber for both is also good.

I love the 357, and a lever gun in that caliber will hunt most big game and is versatile because a 38sp would take small game without destroying them. The 357 six shooter is the best manstopper there is. but also has the same versatility.

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Re: Only one ... handgun?
« Reply #89 on: March 31, 2011, 03:18:20 AM »
22 lr pistol for me, either revolver or auto it makes no difference in my opinion. Small game can easily be taken and with some careful shot placement up to deer size game. Light recoil and sound. Easiest to train new shooters with.

There is a good argument for a 357 magnum.

For Zombies it is nothing less than a belt fed machine gun, and several cases of grenades. The perimeter is mined with clamores etc. We do sit on our roof tops and pick them off with scoped rifles for sport in the afternoons. 8)