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Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« on: January 22, 2010, 06:28:08 AM »
Planet X, last purportedly came through our solar system some 3600 years, supposedly recorded by the Sumarians. Reportedly seen/tracked by Hubble Telescope to be approaching our solar system. Expected to be large with much gravity, which will affect little ol' Mercury in its wake...like distintigrate it, poof! And it will affect our atmosphere dramatically. Supposed to be able to see it in May in the southern sky.
Anybody else read anything on this? What are your feelings about it?

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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2010, 06:31:03 AM »
Huh?
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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2010, 06:37:23 AM »
Google is your friend, Billy....

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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2010, 11:11:25 AM »
As near as Mercury is to the sun I can't imagine a planet large enough to do damage to it the sun isn't already doing. If it gets close enough to Mercury to do that then the sun is likely to pull it rat on in. Sounds like another of those tin foil hat theories to me.


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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2010, 03:10:44 AM »
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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 04:10:46 AM »
No, but that's pretty weird too.

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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 07:14:24 AM »
Is this a George Norry story?
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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 04:15:24 PM »
Bearmgc...this is an interesting subject about Nibiru, also called Planet X. If you look up The Earth Chronicles, by Zecharia Sitchen, you will learn quite a bit about our ancient history. A great study of the ancient Sumerian Cuneiform tablets, telling more than you might wish to know! He wrote 8 books on the subject, all very interesting! Starting with "The 12th Planet", "Stairway to Heaven", "Wars Between Gods and Men", "The Lost Realms", and more. The tablets even tell of the passage to Earth, from outside out Solar System, and they called Earth "The 7th Planet"...which it is if you count from the outside in! BoomLover   
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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 04:26:13 PM »
Thanks! I'm gonna look him up.

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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 06:48:04 PM »
Planet X/Nibiru always comes up every few years.  Always the same kooks like Sitchen promoting it.  One of the main complainers a few years back even claimed to have "Photographic evidence" from Hubble.  Turned out it was a picture of Jupiter's moon Io.

It's all a bunch of psuedo-scientific nonsense.  There is no secret planet coming through the solar system to destroy us.  If you want a good outlook on this subject (actually on the subject of further planets in general), AstronomyCast #159 goes into very good detail on the subject: http://www.astronomycast.com/astronomy/planets/our-solar-system/ep-159-planet-x/

Or directly to the audio link: http://media.libsyn.com/media/astronomycast/AstroCast-091012.mp3


Phil Plait also has an excellent write up on hist Bad Astronomy site:
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/nutshell.html

If you want to peruse Bad Astronomy it's actually very good.  The majority of the site is about pointing out incorrect ideas and conceptions about Astronomy in general.

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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2010, 06:58:40 PM »
Thanks! I'll check those sites too.

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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2010, 03:29:40 PM »
Since we are going that route, check out Andy Lloyd's site "Dark Star Theory". He has done some serious research from England, at least I thought he did a great job with his work. Of course, there are de-bunkers in every field, and thank goodness they have basically shot down the "theory" proposed by Al Gore that "Global Warming" is caused by man! Hey Al, Ya feeling the "heat" yet? LOL...Our illustrious leader wants to send us down that rabbit hole, too! Last time I checked, we are entering a period of "Global Cooling" expected to last 30 to 40 years!
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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2010, 09:20:38 AM »
I saw this a couple of months ago, and had to laugh.  For a response, you need to go to some of those amateur astronomy forums, or sites.  Believe me, if these guys can track an asteroid the size of Long Island, an entire planet would NOT escape detection.  I believe that the majority of the last comet finds were done by amateur astronomers...and these were when they were WAY out there, and just dim bulbs.  Much of what these guys do is backed up by peer review, and they want to be the first to announce any discovery.  If there was a planet approaching us, these guys would be all over it...

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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2010, 06:10:03 PM »
If it's not locked in an orbit around a star then I don't think it meets the technical definition of a planet anyway.


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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2010, 07:19:38 PM »
If it's not locked in an orbit around a star then I don't think it meets the technical definition of a planet anyway.

That would be correct.  The required definition is that is must have sufficient mass to collapse into a roughly spherical shape, and have cleared it's orbit of any major debris.  The definition doesn't require that the orbit be spherical though.  An object with a high elliptical orbit (such as the one suggested for this boogeyman) COULD technically match the definition, but it'd be unlikely given how much ground an object with that long of an orbital period would have to cover. 


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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2010, 07:58:13 PM »
It all depends on what or who you choose to believe...the first recorded language, from Ancient Sumeria, stated that Nibiru was the Planet of a "Star" that has collapsed and is now "dark"...beings came to Earth from that planet... and were named in the 6th chapter of Genesis, verse 4...the "Nepthlim"...literally translated as "those who came from above". The Sumerian cuneiform tablets, found in the ruins of the library at Alexandria, among other things, describe how to get to Earth, from their planet. They also called Earth the 7th Planet...which it is if you count from the outside in. Remember, this was in a time before telescopes, so people in those days had no knowledge of the outer planets. This was thousands of years before Christ, ....this has been reliably translated by many scholars, not the least of whom is Zacheria Sitchen, who was a dead languages scholar and translator in the 50's and 60's. He wrote the Earth Chronicles beginning in 1976, and HAS YET to be successfully proven wrong, and has stated he will debate any person, based on the accuracy of his work, at any time. So, I have talked with him several times, twice in person, and he is the genuine article. Blather all you want, but read his books first before you form an opinion, thank you! BoomLover
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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2010, 02:40:34 AM »
It all depends on what or who you choose to believe...the first recorded language, from Ancient Sumeria, stated that Nibiru was the Planet of a "Star" that has collapsed and is now "dark"

Any star that "collapses" and goes dark would have to be a star that goes supernova and subsequently forms a black hole.  No smaller stars "collapse", or go dark in a hurry.  Down around the size of our sun they swell into a huge red giant star at the end of their lifetimes, and then the outer layers just puff off leaving behind a white dwarf.  Any smaller than our sun and those stars haven't been around long enough to die (as the lifespan of orange and red dwarves exceed the estimated age of the universe).

So, when talking about a star massive enough to form a black hole, you've got two problems: (a) star brightness increases exponentially.  a star that bright would have a very narrow habitable zone extremely far from the parent body.  It's unlikely that a rocky planet would form that far out.  More importantly though is (b) stars this large have gravitational pulls high enough that that eat through their existing fuel in an alarming rate.  While a star like the sun will live roughly 10 billion years, stars large enough to form a black hole when they die typically will only live a few hundred million years at most.   This is an insufficient amount of time for life to evolve on a suitable planet even if it were present.

There's also the minor problem of (c), in that any and all planets orbiting such a star would have been destroyed when it went supernova.

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...beings came to Earth from that planet... and were named in the 6th chapter of Genesis, verse 4...the "Nepthlim"...literally translated as "those who came from above". The Sumerian cuneiform tablets, found in the ruins of the library at Alexandria, among other things, describe how to get to Earth, from their planet.

Which is nonsense, as all stars in the galaxy orbit the galactic center at different rates.  That's why over time the constellations in the sky change.  Any "directions" on how to get from one star to another would be accurate only for a very limited time.

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They also called Earth the 7th Planet...which it is if you count from the outside in. Remember, this was in a time before telescopes, so people in those days had no knowledge of the outer planets.

Due tell just HOW Earth is the 7th planet counting from the outside?

If we count using our modern definition then we get Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Earth.  Nope, that makes it #6.  Ok, count Pluto as a planet then you say?   Well in that case you have to count all the other spherical objects that caused the halabalu that caused us to demote Pluto:

Sedna, Eris, Quaoar, Makemake, Haumea, Pluto, Neptune, Uranus, Saturn, Jupiter, Ceres, Mars, Earth.  

Nope, Earth is at least #13 (and probably further - we're constantly discovering more Pluto-size bodies in the outer solar system - which is why we demoted it - if we continued to call Pluto a planet we very well might have hundreds of planets, which is just too hard for the school kids to memorize) if we start counting those.

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This was thousands of years before Christ, ....this has been reliably translated by many scholars, not the least of whom is Zacheria Sitchen, who was a dead languages scholar and translator in the 50's and 60's. He wrote the Earth Chronicles beginning in 1976, and HAS YET to be successfully proven wrong, and has stated he will debate any person, based on the accuracy of his work, at any time. So, I have talked with him several times, twice in person, and he is the genuine article. Blather all you want, but read his books first before you form an opinion, thank you! BoomLover

A translation is one thing.  That being the truth is another.  Tons of ancient cultures wrote all sorts of things about the world and who might be causing things in it.  They didn't understand what caused lightning so to them, Zeus was offing somebody with a thunderbolt.  They didn't understand the mechanics of what caused a dessert, so to them whoever was driving the sun drove it too close to the Earth in that spot and scorched it.  They're all interesting stories, but in the end they're just that: stories.  

And yes, I have read at least one of Sitchen books.  "The 12th Planet" to be exact.  I stand by my position that he's a kook pushing psuedo-scientific nonsense.  

Trust me, 2012 will come and go just as the other doomsday predictions have too.  When we're all alive come January 1st 2013 they'll just claim they were "a little off" and push their date of our impending doom back another 5 or 6 years so they can sell some books, make some movies, and stir up a little more panic hoping that nobody catches onto their scheme before they die.

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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2010, 04:23:20 AM »
2012 is not said to be the end of time, or the earth, by anyone, it is merely the point of a great change.

Now as man and calenders have never been an exact science, the error plus or minus could be substantial, at least of the plus side.

From what little knowledge we have, we also really have NO IDEA how much man knew about anything in what would be "pre-historic" times (i.e. no history).
Any speak of what was or was not known, if one rejects what little written down we have, is just another nut-job theory.


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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2010, 09:43:38 AM »
From what I understand, all the planets are to be lined up in their orbits with the sun.  This happens every so often anyways.  The gravitational stress of the outer big planets on one side and the sun on the other will cause a little extra volcanic eruptions and earthquakes.  But this happens every few years like I said.  I think it happened in the late 70's.  Mt. St. Helen's erupted and there were some major earthquakes around that time.  Also in '78 or so, it got down to 0 degrees here in east Alabama.  Scientists were predicting a return to the ice age.  It will cycle again around 2012.  The only difference is I think the sun will be lined up with several other stars with the center of our galaxcy.  This might cause more undue stress.  But like someone said this happens every several thousand years anyway.  Humans have lived through all of this before. 

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2010, 10:25:43 AM »
From what I understand, all the planets are to be lined up in their orbits with the sun. ...  The gravitational stress of the outer big planets on one side and the sun on the other will cause a little extra volcanic eruptions and earthquakes.

Just do the math - the Sun's mass (which directly translates to gravitational pull) is 1.99×10^30kg.   We're 1 AU from the Sun - and we're ALWAYS "lined up" with it.  Keep in mind that the pull of gravity decreases exponentially with distance.

Now, the combined mass of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune is 2.66 X 10^27 kg.  The majority of that (71%) is concentrated in Jupiter (Mars comprises only 0.02% of that total), which passes us ("lines up") every 11 years anyways.  That fact aside, the entire bunch of them is only 0.13% that of the Sun.  The center of mass of the group is out around 5.5 to 6 AU - over 5 times farther than the sun.

So we have a gravitational group, 1000 times less massive than the Sun, centered more than 5 times farther away, and the body comprising 71% of it's collective mass whizzes by every 11 years anyways. There is no significant amount of "extra stress" to deal with.

Trust me, there's no magic happening in their "alignment", as spooky as the astrologers (not to be confused with astronomers) try to make it sound.  

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 But this happens every few years like I said.  I think it happened in the late 70's.  Mt. St. Helen's erupted and there were some major earthquakes around that time.  Also in '78 or so, it got down to 0 degrees here in east Alabama.  Scientists were predicting a return to the ice age.  It will cycle again around 2012.  The only difference is I think the sun will be lined up with several other stars with the center of our galaxcy.  This might cause more undue stress.  But like someone said this happens every several thousand years anyway.  Humans have lived through all of this before.  

They did line up to some degree during the 70's (kinda), but it wasn't some major event.  About the only thing we got off of it was that we could send out the Voyager probes and they got to hit all 4 outer planets with a single probe.  There is always SOMETHING happening every few years.  An earthquake here.  A hurricane there.  Tsunami's, volcanic eruptions, etc.  There is ALWAYS some natural disaster happening.  The Singapore tsunami, the even at Tunguska in 1908, the earthquake in Haiti, Hurrican, Katrina, etc.  If you start out thinking from the beginning that something external is causing them, then you just think of the time period you were targeting and can pick several dozen natural disasters that happened during that time and say "Look?  See I told you!".  That doesn't really have any true significance though unless the rate of disasters is truly increasing.  

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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2010, 11:58:46 AM »
Right or wrong I dunno but SUPPOSEDLY at least the line up that is coming on that date takes place only once in an extremely long time, hundreds of thousands of years I think but for sure the last time there were no humans on earth.

Supposedly again they "think" when it last happened the poles shifted. Should that happen again now serious major havoc would result and we likely would at best return to middle ages if not stone age situation.

Me I dunno but I do kinda at least half way expect a serious major event to happen around about that time give or take a month or three. Will I be disappointed if it doesn't? Yeah actually I think I will. I'm kinda tired of this old mess the world is in and am ready to meet my maker so it would not bother me at all for it to all end. I actually think it might be time to turn the earth back over to the wild critters rather than us supposedly tame ones that call ourselves humans.

I think the dinosaurs did a better job of running things.


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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2010, 08:07:52 PM »
MGM, at least you read one book, I read them all. One book does not a Bible make.... As far as 2012, I re-read what I said, and I never mentioned that date, that's on you. Problem with subjects like this, someone reads one of, say, eight books of a series, and suddenly...I know what your thinkin'! Actually, Graybeard had it right, the pole shift. It has happened, within RECORDED history, and more than one source has discussed it. Try checking out Immanuel Velikofsky (sp?)...in the '50's he wrote about studying the Temple writings from the South American Andes, wherein they (the priests) talked of a night that lasted as long as two nights, and when the sun finally came up, they were amazed that it rose from the east, instead of the west where it had been for eons. And in the Bible, you might recall Joshua being asked to "entreat your God to allow the day to last until they could defeat their enemy, and he held his arms up and the sun stayed in the sky "for about a day longer". Pole shift. Also, in the Temple writings of the Egyptians, they talked about the day being exceedingly long, and all manner of strong winds, strange lights in the sky, and the "heavens changing positions" (Pole shift). What I'm saying, if you have no interest, then don't read, or study, a subject only long enough to get yourself into disagreeable discussions. I'm not saying what I read is Gospel, just lots of study on the subject. And, as far as all those other little bits of rock out there you mentioned, if I recall, Pluto is larger, and in a closer fixed orbit , so therefor could be considered the farthest Planet, making Earth the 7th in. Again, I was just relaying what I read, and it doesn't make a whit of difference to me whether others do or don't wish to hear it. Thanks for your comments. BoomLover   
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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2010, 12:42:27 AM »
MGM, at least you read one book, I read them all. One book does not a Bible make.... As far as 2012, I re-read what I said, and I never mentioned that date, that's on you. Problem with subjects like this, someone reads one of, say, eight books of a series, and suddenly...I know what your thinkin'! Actually, Graybeard had it right, the pole shift. It has happened, within RECORDED history, and more than one source has discussed it. Try checking out Immanuel Velikofsky (sp?)...in the '50's he wrote about studying the Temple writings from the South American Andes, wherein they (the priests) talked of a night that lasted as long as two nights, and when the sun finally came up, they were amazed that it rose from the east, instead of the west where it had been for eons. And in the Bible, you might recall Joshua being asked to "entreat your God to allow the day to last until they could defeat their enemy, and he held his arms up and the sun stayed in the sky "for about a day longer". Pole shift. Also, in the Temple writings of the Egyptians, they talked about the day being exceedingly long, and all manner of strong winds, strange lights in the sky, and the "heavens changing positions" (Pole shift). What I'm saying, if you have no interest, then don't read, or study, a subject only long enough to get yourself into disagreeable discussions. I'm not saying what I read is Gospel, just lots of study on the subject. And, as far as all those other little bits of rock out there you mentioned, if I recall, Pluto is larger, and in a closer fixed orbit , so therefor could be considered the farthest Planet, making Earth the 7th in. Again, I was just relaying what I read, and it doesn't make a whit of difference to me whether others do or don't wish to hear it. Thanks for your comments. BoomLover    

Two major problems with what you wrote:

1. The pole shifts that have happened in the past have been MAGNETIC pole shifts.  The physical planet does not shift around - the magnetic fields swap.  The axial tilt of Earth has remained between 22 degrees and 24 degrees for billions of years now - maintaining that though several thousand pole shifts.  The sun would still rise in the same direction, the day/night cycle remains the same.  The difference would simply be that when the shift was complete, compasses would point south.  During the period while the magnetic poles drifted from one physical pole to the other, there would be a time where the field might be a bit weaker (increasing exposure to solar radiation for a time), but this would be a temporary phenomenon. Life itself has survived plenty of pole shifts in the past.  Some technology would have be reworked (anything that depends on magnetic north), but it'd be highly unlikely to be a civilization ender.  Just expect a whole lot of shakeup in navigation for a while.

Also, the last one occurred nearly 800,000 years ago.  While it's vaguely debatable whether or not humans were around at that time (most scientists think that they were not around yet), it's definitely WELL before the time of any recorded history.

2. Eris is both larger than and more massive than Pluto.  The rest of them are pretty similar in size.  All but Ceres (including Pluto) have highly eccentric orbits.

For a more in depth analysis than I myself can provide to dissuade such fears, this link is a good read:

http://www.etsu.edu/physics/etsuobs/starprty/22099dgl/planalign.htm

Trust me, I've look a lot more into this that "just enough to get into disagreeable discussions".  Astronomy has been a life-long hobby for me.  I seriously contemplated majoring in it at school but the bleak job market for those with an Astronomy degree dissuaded me.  I still took 5 astronomy courses as electives though, have attended several seminars, and am a member of my local star-gazing club.

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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2010, 03:54:23 AM »
I have no credentials as an Astronomer but did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.  ;D

I certainly have no insight on what's gonna happen in 2012 or next week for that matter. Some of the stuff I've read and watched on TV regarding the possible events to occur when the major alignment of heavenly bodies all happen in 2012 indicate an expectation of a physical shift of the earth on its axis not just a magnetic shift. I've also seen evidence it has happened before tho I'm not convinced that scientist really know nearly as much as they claim to know on such matters.

Tectonic plates shift and move constantly tho generally at rather slow if steady rates. Just the other night I watched a show that claimed that at least twice now we've had super continents with all the world's land masses huddled together and in both cases supposedly centered around the equator.

I don't believe we actually have enough knowledge or body of evidence to be doing nearly as much speculation as folks are doing on the outcome of the alignment that pretty much everyone agrees is gonna happen in 2012. It's far more than just the sun and planets being in a line. The line is pointing at the center of our galaxy as well and a whole passel of other bodies are gonna be lined up in that same staight line as well.

I have to think all of it combined is gonna put a heck of a gravitational pull on the planet to what effect I have no clue.

Personally I'm actually pulling for it to end human existence on the planet. I think it's time for some other critter than us to have a shot at being the highest life on the planet and in charge of running it for a few hundred thousand years. I'll take my chances that there is a GOD and that he has a plan for me and that the plan is better than what's going on here and now. What the heck even if I'm wrong and nuttin more happens after death than you cease to live that ain't such a big deal and it's gonna happen to us all eventually anyway. With the way things are going on in civilization today the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.


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Re: Planet X, coming to a solar system near you...?
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2010, 06:35:17 AM »
I have no credentials as an Astronomer but did stay in a Holiday Inn Express once.  ;D

I certainly have no insight on what's gonna happen in 2012 or next week for that matter. Some of the stuff I've read and watched on TV regarding the possible events to occur when the major alignment of heavenly bodies all happen in 2012 indicate an expectation of a physical shift of the earth on its axis not just a magnetic shift. I've also seen evidence it has happened before tho I'm not convinced that scientist really know nearly as much as they claim to know on such matters.

Tectonic plates shift and move constantly tho generally at rather slow if steady rates. Just the other night I watched a show that claimed that at least twice now we've had super continents with all the world's land masses huddled together and in both cases supposedly centered around the equator.

I don't believe we actually have enough knowledge or body of evidence to be doing nearly as much speculation as folks are doing on the outcome of the alignment that pretty much everyone agrees is gonna happen in 2012. It's far more than just the sun and planets being in a line. The line is pointing at the center of our galaxy as well and a whole passel of other bodies are gonna be lined up in that same staight line as well.

I have to think all of it combined is gonna put a heck of a gravitational pull on the planet to what effect I have no clue.

Personally I'm actually pulling for it to end human existence on the planet. I think it's time for some other critter than us to have a shot at being the highest life on the planet and in charge of running it for a few hundred thousand years. I'll take my chances that there is a GOD and that he has a plan for me and that the plan is better than what's going on here and now. What the heck even if I'm wrong and nuttin more happens after death than you cease to live that ain't such a big deal and it's gonna happen to us all eventually anyway. With the way things are going on in civilization today the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned.
I agree with Graybeard, on this one, partly because things, not major in the importance of life type things, but little things that were a place or event to take in to get away from nastiness and relax, have permanently changed, or simply ceased to exist.
 It is amazing howwhen  such rituals or places to go to relax cease to exist, the discomfort, along with the knowledge that it WILL NOT get better, can make one feel as my dad did the year before he died.
"What's the point of living when you can no longer do things you enjoyed or most of people you enjoy being with are already dead."

My mom is not going to be around much longer, but for now I can still go home and sit in the kitchen, that is as close to being EXACTLY the same as it was forty years ago as reality allows.
I am going home again next week and I am going to sit in the kitchen and talk to ma, about how it was when she was a little girl in Nebraska. I have at least one of the true greatest pleasures I can still enjoy.
Bob