Massive Police Layoffs Coming in US

[lgm270]

Check out this one.  Police layoffs are being planned all over the US. Gun owners were right all along. We may be the last line of defense of our civilization.   

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

[Questor]

Massive layoffs in administrative staff would be nice.

[billy_56081]

Ahhh where does it say this?

[blind ear]

billy56, are there two suns or are you in the cross beam of the spotlights in the yard, or is it your eyes? eddie

[gstewart44]

Ahhh where does it say this?

Maybe when all the police are laid off it will be time for Prez O to bring out his brown-shirt Civilian Police Force that we have been hearing about.......sounds like a repeat of 1930's Germany.....

[Empty Quiver]

Uh, purple shirts. Pay attention man.

[45-70.gov]

Ahhh where does it say this?

Maybe when all the police are laid off it will be time for Prez O to bring out his brown-shirt Civilian Police Force that we have been hearing about.......sounds like a repeat of 1930's Germany.....

my  first thought  too

but  more  likely

after  a few  roberies  and crime  increases

fools  will  beg for a TAX  increase  to  hire more  police

 very few  will  buy a gun  and  take care  of their  own  family

[gwhilikerz]

Like billy I didn't see any mention of police reductions in particular. I saw where the might be cuts for many unions in the public sector. Does that mean that they will be laying off the three workers who are standing around watching the one guy with the shovel? Or just the opposite? Let's hope they get the three "teachers" who are doing their nails in front of the class and not the one actually teaching.

[gypsyman]

I didn't see anything in here about police depts. in specific either. But, then I don't have to. Unless you just immagrated to this country, or just crawled out from under a rock, this is the way city,state,county govts. have done things for the last 40 years. They don't cut office help, or cut hours. First thing they do is, shut down garbage pick-up, tell everybody the police needs to be cut back, or shut down the city pools in the summer time. They will not lay off office help, which is non productive. It's always what the citizens will feel first. gypsyman

[lgm270]

I got that link from Drudge.  The  article posted to it now is different from the article that was originally connected with it.  I am not able to find the original article it was my intention to post.

IF you google police layoffs, however, you will find many references to police lay offs in cities around the country.  Sorry for the mix up.  I don't know why the original article is no longer attached to that link as it was when I first read it.

[MGMorden]

They will not lay off office help, which is non productive. It's always what the citizens will feel first.

Speaking as a member of that government "office help", I'll tell you the real reason why you don't get reduction here - we're what keeps the taxes (and other revenue) flowing in.  It's not immediately obvious to the public, but there's a ton of work involved in billing taxes.  In my case it's property taxes.  I am the computer administrator/database admin for the system that auto-generates the appraisals for all the real property and mobile homes in the county (and I also write/maintain the software that exports those appraised values from the appraisal system into the tax system).  I also do the same job for the software that tracks our building permits, planning/zoning case, and code violations.  All that stuff entails fees for those permits and violations, which, you guessed it, have to be maintained and exported to our finance system by the software that I manage. I have counterparts who manage the court system software that processes the speeding tickets and other such violations, as well as another that maintains the finance software used for allocating and dispensing the money for our expenditures.  Others in my department keep the network itself up, or serve as "techs" who just go around doing general maintenance on the PC's.

Now, I'll be the first to admit that there are workers in our office environment that DON'T do much and could be eliminated, and even for people that do work in some cases we could deal with fewer people and an increased workload.  However, the reality is that while the public doesn't notice much of what the office workers do, without them in place the whole infrastructure for everything else falls apart.

Perfect example: I had to go into work 11:00pm on New Years Day - somehow I got unlucky and had oncall duty that week.  Reason?  The bonds court's computer system went down and until I got there they couldn't process any bond cases and, being a holiday (with the accompanying DUI charges that typically coincide with holidays), the line was backing up quickly.  It was kinda funny though that after the judge railed on me in front of a court room full of people for how lousy that software was (when it's not even my system to maintain normally - I was just the one on call) I had to inform him that his computer was out because he'd kicked the network cable loose under his desk.

[yellowtail3]

Check out this one.  Police layoffs are being planned all over the US. Gun owners were right all along. We may be the last line of defense of our civilization.   

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/

that would be a positive development, but an unlikely one.

[wareagleguy]

If it means that there will be less cops sitting on side of the road to write tickets for going 5 miles over the speed limit then I say GOOD!

[45-70.gov]

I didn't see anything in here about police depts. in specific either. But, then I don't have to. Unless you just immagrated to this country, or just crawled out from under a rock, this is the way city,state,county govts. have done things for the last 40 years. They don't cut office help, or cut hours. First thing they do is, shut down garbage pick-up, tell everybody the police needs to be cut back, or shut down the city pools in the summer time. They will not lay off office help, which is non productive. It's always what the citizens will feel first. gypsyman

thats how they  passed  the lottery  here

half  of lottery money [after winner pay offs]  goes to schools

[billy_56081]

If it means that there will be less cops sitting on side of the road to write tickets for going 5 miles over the speed limit then I say GOOD!

That way the ones that aren't laid off will be able to come tell you your kids died in an accident on overtime. Will that make you happier? Or maybe being you think all cops do is eat donuts and pick on speeders maybe you can volunteer to do that job.

[yellowtail3]

Oh, I'll handle this one:

That way the ones that aren't laid off will be able to come tell you your kids died in an accident on overtime.

They'd probably be good at that, as some LEO have much experience giving the patronizing lecture to someone who can't talk back, for worry of being jacked up for contempt of cop.

Or maybe being you think all cops do is eat donuts and pick on speeders maybe you can volunteer to do that job.

Naw; eating donuts is at least part stereotype. Picking on speeders is part of the job, as is giving seatbelt tickets (except to other cops; professional courtesy, they call it) and serving restraining orders.

So far as volunteering - why the heck do that? You go ahead and volunteer to be an agent of the state. You're the type who'd enjoy it... just the kind of cops we don't need.

[teamnelson]

I googled it and found headlines from Michigan, Ohio and Oklahoma talking about police layoffs, in the top 3 returns. Saw that increased gun buying was linked to layoffs. As they say, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Honestly, its not their fault ... not enough of them to clean up after all our spoiled kids, and we've put safeties on so many things that natural selection is thwarted.

A truck ran into my car while my daughter was stopping at a yellow. He took the blame, his insurance is paying for everything, he called the cops (he's a firefighter) so I think he's a straight up guy. Cop issues only one ticket, to my daughter for an expired inspection (by a week ... my car, my fault). State requires she (minor) goes in person to court so I went with her (my car, my fault I'm thinking). She's fined $45, would've been $75 but I had it inspected after the accident (and it passed - gotta love HI). We still don't have our car back, and our rental coverage ran out a while back.

Guy that was driving recklessly at excessive speed causing $10K in damages to our car, praise God no medical issues, had no legal repurcussions.

I will always remember the officer's words to my daughter ... I'm so sorry, but I have to issue you this citation.

[45-70.gov]

I googled it and found headlines from Michigan, Ohio and Oklahoma talking about police layoffs, in the top 3 returns. Saw that increased gun buying was linked to layoffs. As they say, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Honestly, its not their fault ... not enough of them to clean up after all our spoiled kids, and we've put safeties on so many things that natural selection is thwarted.

A truck ran into my car while my daughter was stopping at a yellow. He took the blame, his insurance is paying for everything, he called the cops (he's a firefighter) so I think he's a straight up guy. Cop issues only one ticket, to my daughter for an expired inspection (by a week ... my car, my fault). State requires she (minor) goes in person to court so I went with her (my car, my fault I'm thinking). She's fined $45, would've been $75 but I had it inspected after the accident (and it passed - gotta love HI). We still don't have our car back, and our rental coverage ran out a while back.

Guy that was driving recklessly at excessive speed causing $10K in damages to our car, praise God no medical issues, had no legal repurcussions.

I will always remember the officer's words to my daughter ... I'm so sorry, but I have to issue you this citation.

now  lets let government run health care

[wareagleguy]

Billy,
I don't what to hear it.  My dad was a cop and I know what I am saying.  He told me he most partrols were REQUIRED to write so many tickets each month.  THe local city would puch the department every month to get more tickets in.  SO, I DON'T NEED THE CRAP ABOUT IT.

I KNOW THE TRUTH AND TOO BAD YOU DON'T!

[teamnelson]

Hey gents, this shouldn't be about police bashing. Are there bad ones? Yep, all over my island. But alot of good ones too. The issue is always money ... seriously, at the personal cop level, all the way to the Chief who tells his cops to write more tickets. To the congress that underfunds, or county, or state. To the permissive parents who don't raise their kids with a healthy understand of why we have laws. Or vote for politicians who pass stupid laws requiring cops to issue citations to victims.

While I was sitting in traffic court, a lady went to the judge with an attitude. The facts, she was driving without any paperwork, with her lights off at night. She wanted to tell the judge why, and felt like she deserved a break in life because she takes care of a special needs child. Total attitude the whole time. Bad mouthed him waiting to pay the fine ... but didn't request a trial to contest because she was wrong. I'm sure if someone broke in her house she'd be all over the police to come help her, but they point out that she represents a safety hazard to other drivers, and they're incompetent.

If you want law enforcement then you fund it right, staff it right, and let them do their jobs. We don't do any of those three things, so whose fault is that?

If the police unions of the US all decided to strike tomorrow, I'd be okay ... but it would be a very dark world indeed.

[guzzijohn]

Let's hope they get the three "teachers" who are doing their nails in front of the class and not the one actually teaching

I would like to know where this takes place. I have been in education for 30 years and I have never seen anything remotely like that. Where I work most class sizes are 25-30 students and most of the teachers average a 125 students throughout the day. I would estimate that most of the teachers average a 50-60 hour work week (that does not count coaching or other activities). Sorry guys, could not let this pass without comment.
GuzziJohn

[teamnelson]

I was out of work in 2003 so I signed up to be a substitute teacher ... only did about 3 days and got another job, but learned alot. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IN A CLASSROOM TO TRY BEING A SUBSTITUTE OR EVEN AN AID.

I was assisting a little lady who had to manage 40 7th graders, in a space funded for 25. They were running amok, texting, ipods, etc. Little learning occurred in that hour each day. I asked her why she didn't crack down, cause I'd gladly help. Too many parents complained. They want their kids to have phones on them at all times. They don't want their kids expelled, and they don't want to be called when their kid acts up. They don't want to do anything, and the teachers aren't allowed to do anything, so the kids run the classroom ... and the teacher did her nails. She's competing for attention in a room full of hyper-stimulated pre-teens with the span of a gnat. (Go buy them another xbox game.)

If she laid a hand on your precious angel you'd sue. If she confiscated junior's phone cause he was sexting his girlfriend, you'd sue. If she refused to let him back in the room, you'd claim its his right to be there. If she suggested you might have a responsibility, you'd remind her that you pay the taxes and she works for you.

Hawaii now has 26 less school days, the shortest school calendar in the nation, and we were already scraping the bottom for education levels. Because of money. Parents weren't upset about the loss of education really. They were mad that they had to get a babysitter for 26 more days, and that's going to change politics here.

[billy_56081]

Billy,
I don't what to hear it.  My dad was a cop and I know what I am saying.  He told me he most partrols were REQUIRED to write so many tickets each month.  THe local city would puch the department every month to get more tickets in.  SO, I DON'T NEED THE CRAP ABOUT IT.

I KNOW THE TRUTH AND TOO BAD YOU DON'T!

Although I truly have a hard time believing your father was a cop, you seem to have not answered my question, will you volunteer to inform families that one of thier loved ones was killed in an accident? Lets see how you dance around this one?  


Also I am not sure where you live, but in the State of Minnesota, the funds from fines are not paid to the city or county, they are paid to the state. A few years ago many cities and counties tried to usurp this by passing ordinances and the fines were lvied to the city or county in a civil ticket. The state did not like this and outlawed it quickly. I am quite sure most states are the same and either you or your father are lying.

[yellowtail3]

...will you volunteer to inform families that one of thier loved ones was killed in an accident? Lets see how you dance around this one?  (/quote)
Is this some kind of speshul service police provide, that we're supposed to revere?

(quote)Also I am not sure where you live, but in the State of Minnesota, the funds from fines are not paid to the city or county, they are paid to the state. A few years ago many cities and counties tried to usurp this by passing ordinances and the fines were lvied to the city or county in a civil ticket. The state did not like this and outlawed it quickly. I am quite sure most states are the same and either you or your father are lying.

...and that money gets distributed back to towns, I'll suspect (I know nothing about Minnesota, though, except they've got nice deer and some pheasant).

Police: agents of the state, armed tax assessor.

[billy_56081]

Bye Yellowtail, it's been fun! 

[Dee]

Billy,
I don't what to hear it.  My dad was a cop and I know what I am saying.  He told me he most partrols were REQUIRED to write so many tickets each month.  THe local city would puch the department every month to get more tickets in.  SO, I DON'T NEED THE CRAP ABOUT IT.

I KNOW THE TRUTH AND TOO BAD YOU DON'T!

wareagleguy, the only thing you know is that your dad worked for a crooked city administration, and police administration, and he cooperated. Hmmmmm.
I was a police officer for 20 years, and a Sgt for 15 years of that. I NEVER worked a quota system, and I NEVER was asked to step up ticket writing. I WAS asked to concentrate on areas where accidents were up. I knew a lot of officers AND Chiefs, and STILL know a lot of officers and Chief even though I have been out for 16 years.
Any time a dept. relies on citations as revenue, the citicizens are getting screwed.
YOUR FATHERS DEPT. was the exception rather than the rule. His city, and his dept heads were an insult to the profession, and so is anyone that would participate in such a behavior.
A police dept. or sheriff's dept, or state police agency SHOULD NEVER BE SELF SUFFICIENT. If it is, its crooked. A quota system is corruption.

[yellowtail3]

A police dept. or sheriff's dept, or state police agency SHOULD NEVER BE SELF SUFFICIENT. If it is, its crooked. A quota system is corruption.

I'm wondering... maybe there's more money to be had in siezing peoples' property under 'forfiture' laws, than writing tickets?

In my county I've seen LE cars that say "Paid for with Drug Money" - which I take to mean, property seized by police?

[wareagleguy]

For the record my was was an officer for 6 or 7 years.  Dead now so I can't ask him.  He didn't stay because the pay was so bad.  One thing, the pay is not in line with the job.  However, the system here in Alabama is nothing but to be corrupt.
Just Google some boys and READ!

"Morgan County Sheriff Greg Bartlett testified at a Wednesday court hearing that he made $212,000 over three years by cheaply feeding prisoners — every cent of it legal under a Depression-era state law and reported on his tax forms as income.
But U.S. District Judge U.W. Clemon ordered federal marshals to arrest Bartlett after hearing a string of skinny prisoners testify they were served paper-thin bologna, bloody chicken and cold grits in the north Alabama county's jail.
"He makes money by failing to spend the allocated funds for food for the inmates," Clemon ruled after a daylong hearing in a lawsuit filed by prisoners over jail conditions." 

[billy_56081]

For the record my was was an officer for 6 or 7 years.  Dead now so I can't ask him.  He didn't stay because the pay was so bad.  One thing, the pay is not in line with the job.  However, the system here in Alabama is nothing but to be corrupt.
Just Google some boys and READ!

"Morgan County Sheriff Greg Bartlett testified at a Wednesday court hearing that he made $212,000 over three years by cheaply feeding prisoners — every cent of it legal under a Depression-era state law and reported on his tax forms as income.
But U.S. District Judge U.W. Clemon ordered federal marshals to arrest Bartlett after hearing a string of skinny prisoners testify they were served paper-thin bologna, bloody chicken and cold grits in the north Alabama county's jail.
"He makes money by failing to spend the allocated funds for food for the inmates," Clemon ruled after a daylong hearing in a lawsuit filed by prisoners over jail conditions." 

For some reason I think feeding prisoners like that is darn funny.

[yellowtail3]

For some reason I think feeding prisoners like that is darn funny.

No surprise there. Aren't you the guy who greeted the news of a hundred thousand dead in Haiti, with the opinion that sending aid to dying and distressed people was a waste of resources? Or was that someone else?