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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2010, 08:56:35 AM »
Red is like the other folks that voted for obama, want to talk about how well
he speaks, they care nothing about what he says. ;D

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted AGAINST Palin.

I liked McCain pretty well until he picked a know-nothing figurehead for his VP. By playing to the fringe, he lost the middle. Bad calculation.


another one of those SHE DOESN'T talk properly ???
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2010, 08:56:58 AM »
Red is like the other folks that voted for obama, want to talk about how well
he speaks, they care nothing about what he says. ;D

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted AGAINST Palin.

I liked McCain pretty well until he picked a know-nothing figurehead for his VP. By playing to the fringe, he lost the middle. Bad calculation.

Both main party candidates absolutly stunk. But to say you voted against Palin who was at the bottom of the ticket by voting for Obama (I assume) , you voted for a know-nothing, socialist figure head at the top of the ticket. I'm confused by your logic.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2010, 09:50:13 AM »
As far as the importance of good communication skills go, well, I'm surprised that we would even bother arguing about that. Yes, I think that the POTUS should be able to wield the native tongue effectively, clearly and with some level of interesting-ness. That doesn't make up for the lack of a clear message or guiding principle, but if you have a good guiding principle and your communication skills are poor, then your ideas don't really matter that much. Every high school English or Writing 101 teacher you ever had was trying to  teach you that. When I see posts on forums that are one longruntogetherparagraph with awefull speling and no punctuation of any kind, then I just skip past them because they take too much effort on my part to read, and obviously the person writing them didn't care enough to put effort into making it readable. Maybe they're a genius at reloading, or rebuilding an outboard engine,  but it doesn't do me any good if I can't understand them.

Every time Palin opened her mouth, she showed herself to be un-informed and un-interested in becoming informed. When I first heard she was the VP pick, I was interested, by the time she was done giving interviews and debating, I was done even thinking about it. And yes, she is also one of those people with very sketchy use of the language. And I'm not talking about her accent, which I found kind of charming for the first week or so.

I'm sorry, but the fact that the repubs sent her to the VP debate so totally unprepared to answer those questions intelligently let me know how little they thought they needed to get by. She reminded me of the smartass kid in school who thought they didn't need to do any homework, that their charm and charisma would get them through a test somehow. She hit a couple of base hits, but overall was pretty unprepared. If you can't do your homework for a debate, then I don't want you second in line behind an old man whose health is not so great. She may have been at the bottom of the ticket in November, but McCain's health could have put her in the Oval Office well before his term was up. To say that I shouldn't make any judgement calls on the VP pick seems pretty strange to me, especially when the presidential candidate is in his 80's. I didn't see Palin as capable of doing that job. And the fact that she couldn't even stick out her term as governor of Alaska seems to prove that she is not reliable.

Biden is an appalling, arrogant blowhard, but he was far better prepared for the debate. In the end, I went with what appeared at the time to be the lesser of two evils, which is sadly how I feel almost every time I go to vote. Every now and then at the local level there is a candidate I can really get behind. Sometimes they're repubs, sometimes dems. But at the presidential level, we just get served up a set of awful choices from both parties, pretty much every time. Maybe I just won't bother to vote in the presidential elections anymore.

I used to vote libertarian every chance I got, until I realized that they weren't really interested in winning or governing, they just like the sound of their own voices. And if Palins and Bachmans are the future of the republican party, they may never get another one of my votes again, either. I've got no use for charismatic ideologues from either side. And I count Obama in that group.


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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2010, 10:09:41 AM »
All I would say is, how worse off could we possiblly be? After one year of a socialist in the Oval office, I don't think this country has much more time as a nation. And while I understand your logical flow, it seems absent of their proposed policy impacts. Don't you think this is a critical componant? Potentail outcome/results!!

I think you have too much emphasis on glitter and not enough on the potentail results of the aspoused policies. Once the elected official is in office, glitter don't mean crap. They have the power and they will try and implement thier policies. As a libertarian, I'm confused how you could even consider voting for Obama in any analysis.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2010, 10:15:56 AM »
Red Alder Ranch,
Presidnet Bush was by no means the perfect idea of a conservitive.  He was farther to the right than his father.  But no where near what I would liked to have seen from him.  I would like to have seen greater tax cuts and dismanteling of the tax code that tells poeple how to live.  I would like to have seen him get tougher on the left, europe, and the press.  I would like to have him teach people in his speaches.  Expalin why tax cuts are good rather than the assume the NEA has actually tought economics to students.
The alternative of a President Gore or Kerry is what had me voting for him and when he screwed up I would say so.  The whole conservitive movement does.
The Left is a group of incramentalists.  If thier people screw up they down play it as long as they are still marching to the RED banner no matter how slowly.
If you look at what is needed to create jobs, to end the war, and to make the county safe, Obama has done everything the opposite of that.  Obama may love this counry, the freedoms, the constitution but from everything he says and what he does you can not tell.  If he hated the country and wanted to destroy it along with our freedoms, show me what he would do different to destroy the country, economy, or loose the wars than he has done to "help"?
I will not debate you on the war.  At this point it does not matter how we got there.  The fastest way to end the war and to ensure that we do not have to go back and refight it or worse have that war fought here is for everyone to get behind it, set goals to DEFEAT the enemy, and move forward to defeat the enemy, set up a Representive Republic like we have that promotes freedom and capitalism and make the places stable.  We can debate all day long if he lied or not, but ig he lied so did Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Hillary about the threat of the WMD's Sadam had.
If you are going to point fingers then Point them at eveyone that lied.  Again illistrating the left "he did not mean that" forgivness.
You call the right the home of hate yet Sen. Byrd from WV was a recurter for the KKK, Al Gore Sr. lead the fillapuster to stop the civil rights movement and Al Jr. said he learned all about race from his father.  When David Duke a KKK dragon wanted to run as a Republican they pulled ALL suport from him saying they will not suport hate, we are after all the party of Lincoln.  But the Democrats gave millions to Byrd to get him ellected and Millions to Hillary who made racist remarks.  The whole plan of the left is to devide people play one group against the other and limit what they can say and do.  Especally if it does not agree with them.  When a Senator from Ks asked out a staffer and she said no and he did not aske again he was accused of sexual harrasment and forced to resign with the words the seriousness of the accusation should have him resign, yes he was a republican and the 41 one.  Then you had Bill who was accused of Rape and was given a pass.
All I can say to you is please take off the blinders, get out of lock step with the mindless leftist masses, and hold everyone to the SAME standard.  If it is wrong then it is wrong.  And so far the right wing guys are the only ones that will say that.

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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2010, 10:26:22 AM »
I would have much more respect for Obama's oratory skills if he did not speak with a teleprompter. That he speaks well is clear, but that says nothing about what he really thinks or intends. I don't like his ideas, and really don't like his guiding princples, no matter how clearly he speaks. Furthermore, I'm not convinced by his delivery of those ideas that they are in fact his own. I am left to assume that he is little more than a paid actor, promoting someone else's product. He does not speak well in impromptu situations, nor does he handle disagreement eloquently ... he's not fast on his feet.

In my vocation, you must be both eloguent, passionate and knowledgeable. You must be ready to deliver truth, regardless of how the question is posed and with no warning. Your conviction must be your own, and above all your actions must demonstrate the validity of your message. Of all those qualities, matching your actions to your words is the most valued by our audience. Otherwise you are just a clanging gong.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2010, 10:28:14 AM »
I'd respect his oratory skills more too. The prompter really makes him seem like a mannequin.

Maybe he's trying to get an endorsement deal from the prompter company.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2010, 10:31:01 AM »
All I would say is, how worse off could we possiblly be? After one year of a socialist in the Oval office, I don't think this country has much more time as a nation. And while I understand your logical flow, it seems absent of their proposed policy impacts. Don't you think this is a critical componant? Potentail outcome/results!!

I think you have too much emphasis on glitter and not enough on the potentail results of the aspoused policies. Once the elected official is in office, glitter don't mean crap. They have the power and they will try and implement thier policies. As a libertarian, I'm confused how you could even consider voting for Obama in any analysis.


Because I felt that keeping Palin out of the Oval office was imperative. You want to talk about being dazzled by glitter, well, the whole Palin love-fest is pretty much about the glitter. If she was capable and serious about governing, she would have at least finished her term in the office that she HAD been elected to.

And I hardly think that everything in this country was just peachy until January 20 of last year. The mess this country is in is not something that can all be laid at Obama's or the Dem's feet, by any means.

Honestly, as someone with libertarian tendencies, I should just stay out of presidential elections altogether, because there has never been a serious candidate for president in my lifetime who wasn't basically about growing some facet of government to push their agenda somehow. The repubs have been no different in this regard.


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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2010, 10:31:12 AM »
 I have been confused by the quotes above. I will reply when I figger it out!
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« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2010, 10:48:39 AM »
Oldshooter,
Presidnet Bush was by no means the perfect idea of a conservitive.  He was farther to the right than his father.  But no where near what I would liked to have seen from him.  I would like to have seen greater tax cuts and dismanteling of the tax code that tells poeple how to live.  I would like to have seen him get tougher on the left, europe, and the press.  I would like to have him teach people in his speaches.  Expalin why tax cuts are good rather than the assume the NEA has actually tought economics to students.
The alternative of a President Gore or Kerry is what had me voting for him and when he screwed up I would say so.  The whole conservitive movement does.
The Left is a group of incramentalists.  If thier people screw up they down play it as long as they are still marching to the RED banner no matter how slowly.
If you look at what is needed to create jobs, to end the war, and to make the county safe, Obama has done everything the opposite of that.  Obama may love this counry, the freedoms, the constitution but from everything he says and what he does you can not tell.  If he hated the country and wanted to destroy it along with our freedoms, show me what he would do different to destroy the country, economy, or loose the wars than he has done to "help"?
I will not debate you on the war.  At this point it does not matter how we got there.  The fastest way to end the war and to ensure that we do not have to go back and refight it or worse have that war fought here is for everyone to get behind it, set goals to DEFEAT the enemy, and move forward to defeat the enemy, set up a Representive Republic like we have that promotes freedom and capitalism and make the places stable.  We can debate all day long if he lied or not, but ig he lied so did Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Hillary about the threat of the WMD's Sadam had.
If you are going to point fingers then Point them at eveyone that lied.  Again illistrating the left "he did not mean that" forgivness.
You call the right the home of hate yet Sen. Byrd from WV was a recurter for the KKK, Al Gore Sr. lead the fillapuster to stop the civil rights movement and Al Jr. said he learned all about race from his father.  When David Duke a KKK dragon wanted to run as a Republican they pulled ALL suport from him saying they will not suport hate, we are after all the party of Lincoln.  But the Democrats gave millions to Byrd to get him ellected and Millions to Hillary who made racist remarks.  The whole plan of the left is to devide people play one group against the other and limit what they can say and do.  Especally if it does not agree with them.  When a Senator from Ks asked out a staffer and she said no and he did not aske again he was accused of sexual harrasment and forced to resign with the words the seriousness of the accusation should have him resign, yes he was a republican and the 41 one.  Then you had Bill who was accused of Rape and was given a pass.
All I can say to you is please take off the blinders, get out of lock step with the mindless leftist masses, and hold everyone to the SAME standard.  If it is wrong then it is wrong.  And so far the right wing guys are the only ones that will say that.

 

I'm sorry, was this directed at me? my name is at the top but i dont recognize some of the stuff was given credit for, seems I'm still confused
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2010, 10:54:45 AM »
Red is like the other folks that voted for obama, want to talk about how well
he speaks, they care nothing about what he says. ;D

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted AGAINST Palin.

I liked McCain pretty well until he picked a know-nothing figurehead for his VP. By playing to the fringe, he lost the middle. Bad calculation.


Well there it's out in the open you are a leftist. Welcome Comrade RED.
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« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2010, 11:14:29 AM »
Red is like the other folks that voted for obama, want to talk about how well
he speaks, they care nothing about what he says. ;D

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted AGAINST Palin.

I liked McCain pretty well until he picked a know-nothing figurehead for his VP. By playing to the fringe, he lost the middle. Bad calculation.


Well there it's out in the open you are a leftist. Welcome Comrade RED.

I see, so the litmus test is about Palin, huh? Gotta love Palin or you're a leftist? Well, you guys have fun getting her elected president. She does still have a few years to do some homework and learn to speak English clearly. And I guess the fact that she walked out in the middle of her term as governor doesn't count much against her as long as she keeps talking with that cute accent and throwing out all those incoherent non-sequitors, huh?

Maybe this is all a good thing. The dems are busy self-destructing as we speak; the repubs are busy purging anyone who isn't wacky far-right enough, and trying desperately to get out in front of this whole tea-party fad and pretend like it's theirs, so that should leave a lot of room in the middle for the rest of us to field a useful third party of some kind.

Personally it doesn't hurt my feelings to watch the two major parties disintegrate as they both run towards the far fringes. I'm just going to go back to working on my Mauser build, planning this year's garden and trying to make a living. Have fun drawing all those lines in the sand, trying to decide who belongs to what faction, and keeping your clubhouse ideologically pure.

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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2010, 11:36:09 AM »
Old Shooter ,
Sorry no it should have been directed at Red Alder Ranch.
I got confussed a little and saw your name on top of one of his rants where he quoted you and mis typed.
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« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2010, 11:45:28 AM »
Enjoy watching comrade BO read his state of the peoples republic tonight comrade RED. Hey I bet comrade BO will read it from his teleprompter. Maybe if you are a good party member he will sign a copy of the communist manifesto for you. Shame on you for voting for BO.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #44 on: January 27, 2010, 12:18:06 PM »
All I would say is, how worse off could we possiblly be? After one year of a socialist in the Oval office, I don't think this country has much more time as a nation. And while I understand your logical flow, it seems absent of their proposed policy impacts. Don't you think this is a critical componant? Potentail outcome/results!!

I think you have too much emphasis on glitter and not enough on the potentail results of the aspoused policies. Once the elected official is in office, glitter don't mean crap. They have the power and they will try and implement thier policies. As a libertarian, I'm confused how you could even consider voting for Obama in any analysis.


Because I felt that keeping Palin out of the Oval office was imperative. You want to talk about being dazzled by glitter, well, the whole Palin love-fest is pretty much about the glitter. If she was capable and serious about governing, she would have at least finished her term in the office that she HAD been elected to.



You felt it was impertive to keep Palin out of the oval office above keeping Obama out of the oval office, and that is the point. He has less experiance than her. He is all about glitter as well. He is a devowed socialist and she is not. His policies are far worse than any policy stated by the McCain/Palin ticket yet you ignored this. obama was at the top of the ticket and she was not. Your logic is just simply flawed to death. I don't blame you for not wanting to vote for the stupid ass repblican or democrat ticket! I just blame you for a half baked decison process and lack of focus on results. As a libertarian, your logic is flawed becasue you left substance out of the analysis.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2010, 01:01:14 PM »
Palin is a quitter and a media hound. Her "experience" was mostly as being mayor of a small town. No, Obama didn't have much experience either, but certainly you could not say that being mayor of Wasila made her qualified to be president any more than being a community organizer and a inexperienced US senator made Obama qualified. Obviously, she thought that being governor of Alaska, which she also tried to make into a critical part of her "experience" portfolio, was beneath her, and not worth finishing. Don't ANY of Palin's fans find that troublesome at all?

No, I won't be watching the SOTU address this evening. I don't have TV in my home, and haven't since 1989, when I came home from work, switched it on, and saw Bush the First on every channel, delivering a SOTU address. I unplugged the TV, threw it in the closet, and haven't looked back.

One of those tickets was going to get in the Oval office. I figured that Obama was somewhat less likely to start lobbing nukes at the middle east, and somewhat better at speaking his native tongue, and his VP, while obnoxious, was at least sort of experienced and not a know-nothing demagogue. Truthfully, that's about what it came down to. The republicans have not shown themselves to be pursuing anything closer to libertarianism than the dems have, and their eight years of rule left the country on pretty shaky ground. I didn't think that we needed any more of that recipe, and obviously a comfortable majority of the country felt the same way. Unfortunately, Obama has kept most of that stuff in place, and piled more bad policy on top of the old.

You show me a serious, honest third party effort that is going to start doing the hard work of fixing this mess, and reducing the size and scope of the federal government, without all the obnoxious shouting, grandstanding and demagoguery and I'll consider voting for them. But don't try to convince me that this most recent crop of shouters and opportunists on the right are that third party. It's just the same old republican gang, trying to ride back into power on the people's outrage. Once they are there, they will set about doing things the same old way, with the same old agenda that they've always had: #1) obtain power, #2) stay in power. If #2 fails, return to #1 by any means. Just like the Dems.




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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2010, 01:29:00 PM »
Palin is a quitter and a media hound. Her "experience" was mostly as being mayor of a small town. No, Obama didn't have much experience either, but certainly you could not say that being mayor of Wasila made her qualified to be president any more than being a community organizer and a inexperienced US senator made Obama qualified. Obviously, she thought that being governor of Alaska, which she also tried to make into a critical part of her "experience" portfolio, was beneath her, and not worth finishing. Don't ANY of Palin's fans find that troublesome at all?

No, I won't be watching the SOTU address this evening. I don't have TV in my home, and haven't since 1989, when I came home from work, switched it on, and saw Bush the First on every channel, delivering a SOTU address. I unplugged the TV, threw it in the closet, and haven't looked back.

One of those tickets was going to get in the Oval office. I figured that Obama was somewhat less likely to start lobbing nukes at the middle east, and somewhat better at speaking his native tongue, and his VP, while obnoxious, was at least sort of experienced and not a know-nothing demagogue. Truthfully, that's about what it came down to. The republicans have not shown themselves to be pursuing anything closer to libertarianism than the dems have, and their eight years of rule left the country on pretty shaky ground. I didn't think that we needed any more of that recipe, and obviously a comfortable majority of the country felt the same way. Unfortunately, Obama has kept most of that stuff in place, and piled more bad policy on top of the old.

You show me a serious, honest third party effort that is going to start doing the hard work of fixing this mess, and reducing the size and scope of the federal government, without all the obnoxious shouting, grandstanding and demagoguery and I'll consider voting for them. But don't try to convince me that this most recent crop of shouters and opportunists on the right are that third party. It's just the same old republican gang, trying to ride back into power on the people's outrage. Once they are there, they will set about doing things the same old way, with the same old agenda that they've always had: #1) obtain power, #2) stay in power. If #2 fails, return to #1 by any means. Just like the Dems.




While She may not have had the experience of running a country she has run something, city/ town and later the largest, by land, state in the Union.  She had the right message too.  Limited Government.  Big brother is not the answer to the question most likely he is the cause or reason for the problem.
And many of us held our nose and voted for McCain hoping he would have to leave office.  To many of us the vote was still between a turd and a road apple.  Either way we were going to get crap.  Again the ticket was BHO Vs McCain not Palin.  
And I still see her as not being the great Ronald Reagan, who had his faults too but saw the US as something to hold up to the rest of the world as an example of how a free society and market can flurish.  Sara is in the shadow if Reagan but was farther under the shadow than GHWB 41 and GWB 43.  And definatly better then John McCain, Joe Biden, Hillary, Pelosi, Reid, & BHO all who could screw up a two car parade.  And unfortunatly in the case of BHO think the parade is all about him and is definatly on the wrong road if he is looking to make the US great.  But then again he said he wanted to take the greatest country in the world and CHANGE IT.  BHO sees the US as corrupt evil place and wants it to be more like Socialist Europe and Communist China.
Sorry if you do not see it but GOVERNMENT IS NEVER THE ANSWER to a PROBLEM.  Most often DOLTS in Government are the reason for the problem!  Or is that what you want.  More and Bigger problems that more and bigger government can screw up and pit people against each other.

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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2010, 01:56:41 PM »
Old Shooter ,
Sorry no it should have been directed at Red Alder Ranch.
I got confussed a little and saw your name on top of one of his rants where he quoted you and mis typed.
I am sorry if you took offense to me calling you a Pinko Commie Bed Wetter, especally if you are not.
I would have.  no hard feeling?
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No Pardner its quite allright! I have to say again that I was a little confused. I thought that someone was posting in my name and that they were a progressive  taking my name in vain!

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calling you a Pinko Commie Bed Wetter

It will all come out in the wash, PUN intended  ;)

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especally if you are not.
   ;D I'll let my posts speak to that!

 The only point that i want to make clear is that although I was not satisfied with "W"'s performance I respect him as a Christian man, and he was not perfect, he comitted errors, but he definitly was no obama. There seems to be some bigotry here about Palin that has come out  as well as some progressives ! The very nerve of an obama supporter saying Palin was not an accomplished leader.  ::)

I slept better when "W" was in office I can say for one thing! When i was awake i felt better about the future of this country as well.

The telepromter makes me cringe when he speaks and i will not be watching tonight!
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2010, 03:06:02 PM »


 The only point that i want to make clear is that although I was not satisfied with "W"'s performance I respect him as a Christian man, and he was not perfect, he comitted errors, but he definitly was no obama. There seems to be some bigotry here about Palin that has come out  as well as some progressives !

Believing that Palin was not qualified for the post she was running for does not equal bigotry. Now you're sounding like the worst of the liberals, crying bigotry, when describing criticism.

bigotry:–noun, plural -ries.
1.    stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
2.    the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.
(source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigotry)

I was interested in hearing what Palin had to say when she was first nominated since I didn't know anything about her really. After I listened to her speak enough times, in enough different situations, I came to the conclusion that McCain had made a bad choice, and that she was not qualified to be president, which is the office that she could have ended up in. That's not bigotry. Since the 2008 race, her actions have done nothing but reinforce my opinion that she was not presidential material.

The fact that Obama also held some pretty meager credentials has no bearing on Palin's lack of them.


The very nerve of an obama supporter saying Palin was not an accomplished leader.  ::)

you mean, before she walked out on her job? before she quit?


I slept better when "W" was in office I can say for one thing! When i was awake i felt better about the future of this country as well.

The telepromter makes me cringe when he speaks and i will not be watching tonight!

Well, I was disgusted with and didn't trust Bush, and not much has changed with Obama. I guess if the mortgage meltdown and  subsequent credit freeze-up and then the subsequent 80 billion dollar giveaway to AIG and its creditors and the beginnings of a 700 billion dollar bank bailout, in addition to two badly managed wars lulled you to sleep and made you feel optimistic about the future when you were awake, then you are a mellower guy than I am!  :o  Or have you guys all forgotten that that stuff was well under way before the 08 election? The beginnings of the mortgage crisis were well underway before either McCain or Obama were even nominated!

Yes, it's lame to use a teleprompter at an elementary school. No argument there. That said, Obama is not exactlythe first president to use a teleprompter. If W hadn't had one, we'd still be listening to him trying to get through his last SOTU address...   ::)

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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #49 on: January 27, 2010, 03:25:12 PM »
"A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices. "

You made that pair of shoes Pard, so wear em!

You voted for obama and Biden because you did not think  Palin competant!

I'd like to know what in heavens name you thought obama was competant at! And what had that neighborhood activist ever accomplished! Seems lefties hate Christian stuff printed on Acogs and Reality  And The fact that Palin was a woman never crossed your mind i'm sure!

Go in peace  O spreader of bigotry and Progression. The defense rests.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2010, 03:25:37 PM »
Red is like the other folks that voted for obama, want to talk about how well
he speaks, they care nothing about what he says. ;D

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted AGAINST Palin.

I liked McCain pretty well until he picked a know-nothing figurehead for his VP. By playing to the fringe, he lost the middle. Bad calculation.

Know-nothing, that is priceless coming from an BHO voter, he was not only a know-nothing, but no experience to boot.

Naw, not really, the bad calculation was those that voted for BHO, but I do understand some of the 3rd party voting.

BHO is the first & hopefully the ONLY Pres. that needs a teleprompter to talk to Elementary students & as I said before, his "handlers" should have found some 2nd graders to talk to so that they would not have to set up all of that equip.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2010, 03:57:20 PM »
You show me a serious, honest third party


On the presidential ticket I saw at least 2 third party candidates that fit your leftist agenda commrade RED. One was on the communist party and the other on a socialist party. If that was a little to extreme for you commrade RED you could have voted for Nader. SHAME on you for voting BO commrade RED. SHAME SHAME SHAME.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2010, 04:39:55 PM »
Funny that you guys would call me a bigot for opposing a political candidate based on my calculation that she's not qualified, while practically foaming at the mouth with your outright hatred of Obama, and by extension, anyone who doesn't also hate him.

Is your calculation that Obama is not qualified also bigotry then? Is anyone's decision not to support a particular candidate pretty much always bigotry? You know, I have a 13 year old daughter who is often given to outbursts of drama where she grabs some loaded word and applies it to a situation that it totally doesn't fit. But she's a 13 year old girl; you guys are ostensibly a little older than that, and should know better.

No, I most certainly did not care that Palin is a woman! That's funny! A bunch of people on an internet forum, who've never met me, don't know anything about me other than a handful of forum posts, and you suddenly know that I'm a communist and a woman-hater, because I don't particularly like Palin, and I didn't vote for her ticket. No, I'm not a bigot, or a woman hater, or a communist, or a socialist or any kind of partisan at all.

As is usually the case in an internet forum, name calling is really easy to do, and I don't think I've ever been around conservatives in this environment who didn't immediately resort to getting angry and calling me a commie when they find out that I didn't vote for their guy, or that I don't believe in every single thing they believe in. I could have come in here and said I voted for McCain and I loved Palin and everything else you think everyone should believe, and then if I had said ONE thing that fell outside of that box, I would have instantly been labeled a commie.

Now THAT is bigotry... look it up.

As fun as this has been, I'm pretty much done with it. What started with me making a light-hearted jab at our previous nincompoop in chief gets immediately turned into some angry mob action when you find out that a fellow outdoorsman and firearms lover isn't also a fundamentalist Christian Republican like you seem to think everyone in America should be.

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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2010, 05:16:42 PM »
Both are not qualified to be president but she is more qualified than him. But the key point is she was not at the top of the ticket. McCain was qualified but an idiot.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2010, 05:53:54 PM »
Both are not qualified to be president but she is more qualified than him. But the key point is she was not at the top of the ticket. McCain was qualified but an idiot.

Pretty much & add to Progressive to that
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2010, 01:26:49 AM »
"As fun as this has been, I'm pretty much done with it. What started with me making a light-hearted jab at our previous nincompoop in chief gets immediately turned into some angry mob action when you find out that a fellow outdoorsman and firearms lover isn't also a fundamentalist Christian Republican like you seem to think everyone in America should be."


If you voted for BO I am not your "fellow". Please do not consider yourself in the class of outdoorsmen and firearms owners as myself and many others here. Shame on you for voting for BO.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2010, 04:59:51 AM »
We all have our short comings Billy.
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Re: Obama uses teleprompters during speech at Elementry school
« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2010, 05:09:39 AM »
I have been off this thread for a little while.
So much has been stated that I don't agree with but it would take to much to try and reply to all of it.

The parts I will reply about are:

I voted for THE LIAR who had no experience and didn't vote for McCain because he was old.
His VP pick may have become the President.


The only problem with that line of thought is that according to you she had the same quality's as the one you did vote for.



She left her office as Governor.

He also left his office to campaign, which didn't really matter since he wasn't there most of the time anyway!
I think the fact that there were so many stupid, meaningless lawsuits being brought against her may have had something to do with it.
Hard to do your job if you are always in court.
What was THE LIAR'S excuse for not being at his job most of the time?



She doesn't speck properly.

Big deal.
It would be nice but hardly a mandatory requirement.
It is what their message is, not so much as how they say it.



Maybe I shouldn't vote at all.

That is your choice.
Not a very good one in my opinion, but yours none the less.
A person that chooses not to vote has no room to complain if things don't suit them.


I have to leave in a few minutes so enough on this for now.
Maybe there will be more latter.



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« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2010, 05:34:36 AM »
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