Obama "Defiant and Delusional"

[Redtail1949]

That was the title of a news story i just read about the "State of the Union" speech by Obama.

I have to agree with that 100% he is defiant and intends to continue with his Progressive Agenda. He has no intentions of moderateing his approach to Governing. He did a lot of smoke ands mirrors in that speech trying to make people think he is moving over toward the center. Offshore drilling and Nuke Power Plants..who is he kidding? he knows that will never fly ever with the present makeup of congress. Other tokens spoken of with eloquence to placate the middle and maybe the right.

Delusional you bet he his. he clearly has no grasp of the reality of the political landscape he is now in. i believe he is convinced in his own mind that he is "heavenly sent" to save us all from ourselves.

the danger is that this man, as evidenced by his attach on the supream court, will not stand for anyone even the nations highest court to stand in the way of what he percieves as his destiny.

did anyone see eric holder jump to his feet with such enthusiasim clapping and cheering obamas words against the court? take close note of that . eric holder the attorney general of the united states who is charged with the responsibility of upholding the laws of this nation was clearly against the court. he should have remained sitting and nuetral to those comments instead he cheered. he once again has shown that he really does not run his office from a point of neutrality. it really shows the dangers we face with so many "PROGRESSIVE"  socialist communist leaning leftist in our highest government positions.

they are simply intolerant and outright defiant to anyone or anything that opposses them. they try to belittle or isolate and destroy any opposition. theat was obama in his speech attacking the court attacking the republicans belittling them joking even mocking them.

this nation is facing the biggest dangers to our freedoms and our way of life ever. that includes all wars. why do i say this because the danger comes from within. the "Progressives" are slowly but surely corrupting everything we cherish. by loading the texbooks of our children with outright falsehoods or just not stateing the facts of our history as a nation. they have eroded slowly over the last 40 to 50 years our moral standards by moving atheism or and gay pride as well as other things to the main stream. Slowly like a slow drip little by little wearing away all that they dispise.
Speak out and they will attack say one word and they would belittle attack or smear. they got the average person afraid to protest or speak up. it was just easier to avoid and ignore. that is just what they wanted leaving them room to move around. putting over the years "progressives" in key spots in the political spectrum. those progressives mostly on the left but many on the right have been slowly but surely working for this day.

I urge all of you to read all you can about the PROGESSIVE movement in the United States all you can. Read what their agenda is and what it is they want. you will be surprised as i have been. i missed it i will admit but now i understand obama and all like him. many here feared Bush and the right. Heck he was nothing compared to what the Progressives want to do to your freedoms nothing. they long for the day that all will come from government all things will be decided by them for you. why because you are stupid and they must save you from your stupidity. that is how they feel. look now they are after obese children wanting to charge parents with a crime of over feeding IE child abuse. they want to regulate every aspect of your life incliding what they determine is healty for you. so many have been fooled by this concern of the government that they buy into it lock stock and barrel. it is for our own good they say. they repeat over and over that they know what is best for us.

This is at the very core of the threat we face. we are americans that founded this nation with the intent of making each man as important as the other. each man responsible for his own destiny. each man free to raise his family and practise his religion as he saw fit. not to have a government to interfere with any of these matters.

they now believe all the key players are in place and the time is now or never. they intend to take over one way or the other. i believe they too are defiant and as delusional as obama. they will fail in their goals but it may only be after a heck of a fight.

beware for you have been warned, not by me, by obama himself.

[Dee]

Obama is most certainly "Defiant" but, is by no means "delusional". He is doing "precisely" what he intended to do all along, and the American people will most likely let him, or allow the Republicans to do it in quieter manner.


                            Benjamin Franklin was, Right!

[SHOOTALL]

When i watch the speach i kept thinking DOG AND PONY SHOW

[bearmgc]

Obama is no dummy. Problem is he thinks we are...I'll add arrogant and entitled to the list of adjectives.

[SHOOTALL]

He has years of Americans voting or not voting to support his beliefs .

[wareagleguy]

Redtail,
You need to find out what the COURT did.  Obama is right on this one.  The Supreme Court should be tried for treason on the ruling.  YOU and I were just got sold out and now our vote means nothing (unless you got tons of money).

READ THE RULING!!  VERY BAD!

[Graybeard]

Redtail,
You need to find out what the COURT did.  Obama is right on this one.  The Supreme Court should be tried for treason on the ruling.  YOU and I were just got sold out and now our vote means nothing (unless you got tons of money).

READ THE RULING!!  VERY BAD!

No I think YOU need to do some reading on what McCain-Feingold really was and then realize making it go away was not just wise but necessary. You have been duped once again.

[Dixie Dude]

McCain-Feingold did not allow the NRA or the Christian Coalition to support cantidates for office.  Now they can.  They can always make a law to keep foreign owned corporations from supporting someone. 

[Questor]

McCain-Feingold was the biggest threat to liberty in the history of this country. To bring it home to a shooter:

Let's say you're a member of the NRA. This means you pay dues so that the NRA supports things like competitions, and also to serve as a watchdog for shooters interests. Part of this watchdog process is to identify politicians that are pro and anti gun. In this regard, the NRA is a grassroots body of people who pay an organization to do what they couldn't do individually.

McCain-Feingold effectively silenced groups like the NRA from making special interest ads within the last few weeks before an election. This effectively silenced NRA members during the most important times of the political process. They could not legally run ads exposing anti-gun candidates.

Meanwhile, public radio and MSNBC and newspapers were free to run editorial material againt pro-gun candidates.

In other words, McCain-Feingold undermined the reason we have the first amendment in the first place.

[mcwoodduck]

Redtail,
You need to find out what the COURT did.  Obama is right on this one.  The Supreme Court should be tried for treason on the ruling.  YOU and I were just got sold out and now our vote means nothing (unless you got tons of money).

READ THE RULING!!  VERY BAD!

In earlier rulings the court found that money was speach.  That the use of that money to act as your voice is free speach.
We have lobby groups that are funded to change politicians minds.  How is that different than having the same members of the lobby apeal to the people directly.
McCain Fiengold is an assault on the first ammendment and anyone who voted for it in the senate and the house should be tried for infringment of civil rights.  If a police officer can be charged with it why not politicians that go against the bill of rights.  Same penelties should apply.  immediate dismissal, forfiture od pension and benefits and imprisonment.  As there are 350 Million people here it should be 350 Million counts.  Sometimes I wish I were Attorney General.
As usual Obama is misleading and telling half truths and that is what the Justice was shaking his head about stateing NOT true.

[wareagleguy]

Now that is a angle I didn't see...
Money is speech...
If that is true then it would mean the person with the MOST money would have MORE speech?

It cost nothing to talk but in this case it is talk with M O N E Y.  Do you have a ton of money?  I don't so I guess I have no say? 

Explain to me how money is free speech?

[Redtail1949]

wareagleguy:

sorry but you are wrong on this one. the court left intact all rules against non US Companies or entities including their subsideries from making campain donations. they did absolutely nothing to make that remotely possible.

OBAMA LIED TO ALL AMERICANS trying to stir up an attack on the court. he has succeeded in doing just that however as more people read the ruling and become more informed they will know that their President lied.

the parts they overuled involved things that were the parts clearly unconstitutional. The ones that are tresonous in this case are McCain and Fiengold and possibly obama himself. he did threaten to "go around" the courts rulings. what would you are any others have said if George Bush openly in a State of The Union Speech said he was going to ignore or circumvent the rulings of the Highest Court?

If you do not recognize the Dangers posed by the methods of the "Progressive Left Obama" you need help. This man is just a hair away from being a hugo chavez.

[Foxxtrot]

large groups (Corp, Unions, Faith) that are seen in a bad light can afford to start a non profit that looks good, but works as a large lobby for whatever they want changed and they pass the test to contribute to Congressmen and POTUS and you and I don't know the difference. If there is a way to get around a law, they have lawyers to get it done.

The decision doesn't make a bit of difference except that Unions and liberal special interests will now be the poor kids on the block when it comes to controlling Congress and the POTUS. They hate that this happened because they aren't the bully with all of the money and power now. Be happy this ruling came about.  

[Dee]

While I agree that the McCain-Feingold Act is an assault on the 1st Amendment, and brought this very issue up numerous times during the last election, and was blasted for it, help me to understand here.
The very man whom was a co founder of the McCain-Feingold Act, and whose name is on this Act, ran for President of the United States last election, and most here voted for him.
How can one recognize the severity of this piece of legislation, understand that it is AGAINST the Constitution, and that all involved should be prosecuted NOW, but still with clear conscience have voted for this man to be president? It is a concept that is beyond my realm of understanding. Instead of supporting him for president, these same voters, should have instead, been drawing straws to select firing squads to shoot these traitors. Both of them, and Representatives that supported it also.
Why was this not an issue during the election, but is now? Why was I blasted for pointing these things out then, but they are of the utmost importance now? This makes no sense to me.

[wareagleguy]

I still do not understand.
How is limiting contributions to elections bad?  Also the rule forced that everyone show where the money came from.  This is bad how?

[mcwoodduck]

Now that is a angle I didn't see...
Money is speech...
If that is true then it would mean the person with the MOST money would have MORE speech?

It cost nothing to talk but in this case it is talk with M O N E Y.  Do you have a ton of money?  I don't so I guess I have no say? 

Explain to me how money is free speech?

If you give $ to a group.  Let's Pick the NRA.  that $ pays for people to Lobby the congress to NOT pass silly laws that restrict firearms to law abiding citizens.  That $ can also be given to a political campaign to allow the candidate you agree with to get his message out to other people in the form of print, and now Radio, internet, and TV.
In years past the News was news and people were informed as to what is going on and how it would effect you.  With the current news out lets as propaganda machines the truth and messages are skewed.  McCain Finegold was set up to limit what can be said about candidates in print adds 90 days efore an ellection.  This is made to keep incumbants in office.  And yes people with the most money it could be 100 Million as a group all giving $10 will then have a large voice to say what they want and how they want.  McCain Finegold also limited all to include books about candidates and sales would have to be suspended 90 days before and ellection.  Doesn't this sound like a back lash to the Swift Boat Vets book about Kerry and how it half sunk his campaign?  how the books about the questions about Obama did not or better were not allowed out till after the ellection.
here were laws previous that limited what you could give to $1,000 trying to make it fair across the board.  Then they found ways and laws around that where the really wealthy could give millions but you and your wife are limited to 2K total.
Not sure what you are looking for.  Life is not equal and neither is politics or money.  
The best thing that can happen is either limit everyone to X ammount.  Person, company, or Corp or don't limit it at all.  
As the court found in Brown Vs. Board of Education.  "if it is seperate it can not be equal"
The 14th ammendment is there so all laws apply to everyone equally.  Same one that can be used to make Congress abide by all the laws they pass for us and make them go onto the smae health care plan they have for us but wrote them selves a Cadilac Plan.
Sorry I was a Pre law student in College and took lots and lots of Constitutional Law classes.  Yes I got A's in those classes and would frustrate my professors as they set up mock trials.  Two ended up having me set up the mock trials to keep me from explaining how they screwed up in not thinking about this case or that.
I will go back to my books and check case law if you want me to site cases to show you where $ is freedom and where curtailing $ you are curtailing freedoms.

[UHunter]

Dee, I agree about McCain.  Thank the good Lord he didn't get elected, or we'd all have Cap and Tax, AND the health care debacle, just to show everyone how he could walk across the aisle!
Full disclosure is already the law, and it hasn't been followed by Obama, nor the last two Dem candidates.  Bush tried to fire (WAY too late) the AG's who wouldn't prosecute voter fraud or enforce current laws.  You saw how that went, right?
McCain Feingold allowed unions (like the SEIU) to run ads.  It allowed networks (HUGE corporations, right?) to run whatever they wanted, under the banner of "news", but barred corporations and associations from running ads.  Like most Americans, I just wanted a level playing field, and the Supreme Court ruled for that very thing.
My .02

[nomosendero]

Redtail,
You need to find out what the COURT did.  Obama is right on this one.  The Supreme Court should be tried for treason on the ruling.  YOU and I were just got sold out and now our vote means nothing (unless you got tons of money).

READ THE RULING!!  VERY BAD!

Lots of money, you mean like ACORN, Oh I forgot, that is good money. Or perhaps Soro's money, that's good money.

Yes, we would hate to see big bad Corporations like Gun Owners of America, NRA or a Corp. like Ruger, S&W & others to exercise free speach!! But ACORN, Soros, now that's wonderful.

It's no accident that Obama & the Libs of the court are against this decision.

No news but HE LIED

News flash, but the 3 networks are big Corporations, in fact NBC is owned by GE, one of the biggest Corps. in the World & have Obama in their pocket, much like Soros & we all know that the Networks have been a Liberal suck mouthpiece for years, but the folks who scream about this decision weren't worried about their speech, hmmm.

Yea, read the bill, good advise!

[mcwoodduck]

Now if the court already has said money is speach and how you spend your money is how you tell people what you like and what you do not.  The how can congress make a law to abridge your free speach.  The first words of the BIll of rights are "Congress shall make no law to abridge.... Speach..."!
If you read the federalist papers.
Free speach was not that you can say anything you want.  For example you are not allowed to yell FIRE in a theater.
It was directed at POLITICAL speach.  You should be secure in your person and property (AKA $) to tell the truth about political figures and not have to worry about the politician seazing you, your property, or your lively hood based on what you said.
Now this is as far as the truth goes.  Libal laws still apply and if you lie you can be sued personally for what you say and have to prove what you said is true.
We just came off of a royal sytem of Governers that would exicute you, confiscate your property, and or imprison you based on what you said against thier policies or laws, claiming treason.  I know Obama and Pelosi would like to get rid of the bill of rights while they are in power so they can stay in power and not allow people to speak out against them.
The free flow of ideas is what keeps our country informed.  Curtailing that speach by limiting news outlets or punnishing those outlets if they say unflattering things about you is not what the ammendment is about.
On the converse of that you while you have the right to say what you want you do not have the right to be heard.  Something you know all too well if you ever called a congressman and disagreed with them.

[Redtail1949]

yes sir that sword of freedom does cut both ways...lol

its funny how some want only their money and influence to count not others. the courts rightfully saw thru that argument. now they say well they have more money...to that i say SO!

yes sir that sword has an edge on both sides.

hey dee:

what would you have sugested we do if not vote for McCain? Vote for Obama? or not vote? which would have been the same as voting for obama. so the lesser of the two evils makes sense when you really have no other viable choices.

[wareagleguy]

OK
I think I understand.
We live in a REPUBLIC!

[Questor]

I don't think Obama's delusional. He's vindictive though. He tries to make himself look good by blaming others, but that magic doesn't seem to work anymore. For example, last year the congressman who said "You Lie!" was propelled to national notoriety. Yesterday, when justice Alito (sp?) said "not true" or "simply not true", he became a bit of a celebrity.

[gypsyman]

I thought that a good point was made by Sarah Palin after the speech. She was on Fox, and when asked about it, she mentioned that the ''BIG O'' had said that we need to start on off shore drilling and nuclear power plants. Her comment was, he had a year to get started, why is he bringing it up now?? gypsyman

[jlchucker]

OK
I think I understand.
We live in a REPUBLIC!

Yes we do--and always have, since the country was founded.  Think about the words of the Pledge of Allegiance, and how often the word "republic" appears in Abraham Lincoln's speeches. 

[Dixie Dude]

Obama doesn't know how to compromise.  It is either his way or the highway.  American politics always produces compromise legislation.  For instance a compromise health care legislation could have been passed IF he had included Republican provisions.  He wanted total government control instead of just subsidizing the poor with health care.  This is why voting for the lessor of two evils can work.  It won't change everything overnight, but if we keep the American ship steared right, we will eventually pull it over to our side.  Right now it is stearing hard left, and is going to crash, unless limited government and responsible spending measures are brought in line. 

[Redtail1949]

as pointed out by a previous post he will lie beg borrow or steal to win. that is their way. yes most all politicians lie sometimes but they are at least careful not to be so easily caught. obama and his minions have absolutly no hesitation to say anything no matter how outragously false. they truly speak to the crowd telling them whatever they want to hear. we have seen this with this congress as well . one story at one camera appearence . thirty minutes later another story different version with another camera. then when it is pointed out they simply act as if they never said it. or they come back stateing 'i have always had tyhis position why just yesterday , check your files, i said the excact same thing. they keep the peopl completely off balance and confused about just where it is they do stand.

this is all part of the agenda by the "Progressive Left" to do or say whatever they have to. they feel perfectly justified to do it thatway. as was pointed out it is more important to be successful in the end and what had to be done to get there is of no importance.

this administration, including all in it, are the most dangerous we have ever had simply for that reason. they will bribe or threaten it does not matter to them how they get what they want as long as they get it. you can find examples of lies with any administration but never not once in our history on the scale of this one.

yep you better vote and if it is only a democrat or republican running do not vote democrat because there is no misunderstanding what they want to do. if a third party comes forth and has the slightest chance vote him in. most importantly let no party have total control. the checks and balaces designed by our founders works pretty dang good as long as one party does not have total control. our founders knew what would happen if that were true. they were pretty dang smart to design this system of government. perfect no but simply the best ever on this planet.

i forsee the american people, with the rage they have within, voting all democrats out in november as well as most republicans. they then will vote in any third party man in preference to any republican if he is not a total lulu. if only the same old same old are available the democrat is history. i just do not want to see it swing totaly into the hands of the republicans they had that once and did not hesitate to act just like the democrats are now. that is they were just as arrogant and stating openly how they were running the show and would do whatever they wanted (Remember ole Newt and Henry Hide?).

lets just hope we as americans no matter what color, what religion, nor political slant can come together and take this nation back.

[yellowtail3]

I still do not understand.
How is limiting contributions to elections bad?  Also the rule forced that everyone show where the money came from.  This is bad how?

I think the concern is that those with the most cash to spend, will be the ones who will have a disproportionate influence on laws passed, which affect everyone.

[SHOOTALL]

Well we all learned that at a young age . If your dad owned the field or you owned the bat and ball we played by your rules .

[Oldshooter]

Did anyone hear obama lecturing the Republicans today! He so dont get it! He was actually lecturing them on bipartisenship and working together!     

[Dixie Dude]

He is right and everybody else is wrong.  What we need is a major foreign crisis to show his incompetence.