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I think that i want a TC, newbie questions
« on: January 28, 2010, 10:15:33 AM »
I think that i want a TC Encore or Contender rifle.
I have handled one and it did point and balance well for me, and i found it light and easy to shoulder, point, and aim.
Here is what i would like to know:
Exactly what is the difference beween Encores and Contenders? Which is which? They look the same to me?
Is this a trouble free, strong, reliable rifle, or a sensitive system that needs thinkering from the start?
How are the triggers? Can i get a 2.5-3 pound nice trigger or will i need aftermaket parts, gunsmithing, etc?

What i am looking for is an accurate rifle, light, stainless, walnut stock, safe, reliable, trouble free, single shot for easy unloading/reloading, probably in 30-30, with great trigger.
Are the TCs project guns or "good to go" from the box guns? 
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Re: I think that i want a TC, newbie questions
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 12:25:08 PM »
The Encores are slightly bigger and stronger than the Contenders, and having said that, if all you plan to shot is 30/30Win what difference does it make.  All I have is the Encore and the trigger on mine is excellent right out of the box but maybe I am just born under the right stars or something.

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Re: I think that i want a TC, newbie questions
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 12:41:41 PM »
The contender is limited to pressure and 30-30 is fine.
If for some reason you want to go faster and get a 30-06 that is way too much for the contender and You should think of the encore.
You may also even if you want it as a rifle register the frame as a handgun.
That way you can make it into one if you want legally.
You can make a handgun a long gun but not the other way around.
It is addictive and you will end up with about a 1/2 Dozzen barrels for you gun.

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Re: I think that i want a TC, newbie questions
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 01:24:33 PM »
Typically you'll get lots of different opinions to your questions, but that's the nature of the animal and as it should be since some folks (like GB) have a real hard time with TC's and others (like me) almost prefer them over any other type of firearm after having owned a lot of them over the last 42 years (since about a half year after the “C’s” first came out).   

Choosing between the Contender/G2 and Encore frame comes down to your long range plans for the frame (which might vary between pistol and carbine/rifle configs).   At about a pound heavier, the Encore will safely handle a lot of cartridges that the C/G2 won't.   Wildcats developed just for the "C" frames can duplicate many of their ballistics, but there are still many that only the Encore can handle safely.    That said, unless you will want to get into the calibers that are Encore only, you can get by just fine with a C/G2 and the wildcats designed for them for hunting almost anything that walks the earth.   FWIW, I sold all 6 of my Encores and dozen & half barrels only 2 years after they first came out, because I could do anything I wanted to do with the Contender and its wildcats.   In part because I already had so may C frames, wildcats barrels, etc for them, and in part because I liked the weight and other things about the C frames better than the Encore.  For somebody just starting new into TC’s now the Encore may be a better choice, especially if you will eventually want to use the magnum factory cartridges.

One of those things I like better (C’s), while you can improve the triggers quite well on the G2/Encore frame’s, they still can't match what you can get on the original C frames.   Your 2.5-3 pound trigger thing is about double what my heaviest "C" triggers are, and some are even lighter than that (yet are still safe).

Precision/accuracy with any of the TC frames can be from very good with factory parts (right out of the box) to nearly as good as it gets with some custom upgrades and tuned loads.   Technique is a learned trait with TC's that you'll also have to deal with, but it’s an easy and fun bridge to cross.    The 30-30 thing sounds like your first duty will be as a deer carbine.   The Thirty will do just fine for that.   There are also a couple dozen more cartridges for the C/G2, and dozens more yet for the Encore that will do it even better though.   

My main thing is long range varmint and predator hunting.   While the TC’s can’t match some of my custom wildcat rifles when the ranges get really long, some of them can come pretty close; all of them can equal or better my factory rifles; and all of them are at least MOD (Minute of Digger) out to some pretty impressive ranges on small targets.

Hopefully not too biased and so helpful for you… (although I wouldn't trade one of my Easy Open vintage C's for 2 E frames)   ;)




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Re: I think that i want a TC, newbie questions
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 02:27:05 PM »
You won't get an Encore's trigger as good as an original contender without some work. That said, my encore's is about 2.75lbs after I had a "job" done on it and it breaks like an icicle.
     Light guns are a dream to carry, my 23" G2 30-30 was a tack driver with factory 170g corelokts, same as a muzzleloader and a .44mag. The encores weigh a bit more, thus they are very stable, but they still point great.
I owned 'em both and I got rid of the G2 and went Encore all the way. Just a bigger contender.

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Re: I think that i want a TC, newbie questions
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 04:47:32 PM »
It really depends on what you want. If you're sure all you want is a 30-30 rifle, then go with the Contender. If you think you may want something "bigger", and you don't really want to get into the wildcat cartridges, then go with the Encore. If you're open to custom bbls and wildcat cartridges, there's nothing the Encore can do for you that you can't get there with a Contender.

My experience is only with the Contenders. I have a 30-30 handgun bbl, 14" factory that is easily far more accurate than my Marlin lever 30-30. That 14" bbl comes very close to the ballistics of the 20" Marlin rifle I have. The plus side is I can load "spitzer" (pointed) bullets in my Contender bbl.

I also have a few carbine bbls for my other Contender frame. I really like the short, light, ease of pointing of the carbine version of the Contender. Both of my frames are early frames, before the easy open change, and they both have great triggers as is.

I would let the caliber(s) you intend to shoot be the deciding factor on which version you chose.

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Re: I think that i want a TC, newbie questions
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2010, 02:49:42 AM »
I prefer the Contender & G-2 size and weight. The Encores are great if you want the big calibers, but the Encore is to heavy for me. I like light & compact.
I have many rifle and pistol barrels from 17HMR rimfire to 30-30AI, a 50 cal G-2 Muzzleloader barrel in S/S & a 28 gauge shotgun barrel. This just about covers anything that I will be hunting.
I have a youth stock that my wife & grandkids use on one of my older Contender frames for hunting.
I suggest that you find someone that has one and ask to try one before you invest. It is a big investment. And even bigger investment when you get addicted to them, like all of us did.
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Re: I think that i want a TC, newbie questions
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2010, 04:11:34 AM »
I have all three contender, G2 and Encore but my favorite is the contenders. I have a 7-30 waters and a 209-45 muzzleloader and they are light and fun to shoot, oh forgot I have a 6.8 in contender, oh and a 17 hmr in rifle and about 9 pistols in contender. Are these things habit forming, wish I knew that before I got my first one :) :) I think I need to make a trade :) You will love the contenders.

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Re: I think that i want a TC, newbie questions
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2010, 07:02:44 AM »
I also have both and the contender is a lighter frame that I mainly use for handgun purposes(super 14 223ai and 7-30 waters with muzzle brake. they are very accurate and shoot hard for such short barrels. I have the encores in the prohunter models and have two frames and 4 barrels all 28" ( 223, 243, 25-06ai, and 270 Gibbs) the frames need some trigger work at first but I did both of mine and they are at 2 and 3/4 pounds and no creep. they also need the adjustable hinge pin to keep everything lined up properly but all shoot better than 1/2 moa. If I were to choose one frame it would be the encore and you can have the best of both worlds and all the calibers at your disposal after all all it takes is some coin.

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Re: I think that i want a TC, newbie questions
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 03:29:03 PM »
I wanted a light weight, exposed hammer rifle that would be easy to carry and big enough for deer. Simply did not want the 30-30 even if it gets more then its share of deer every year. Had MGM make me a 30/40 Krag barrel for a G2 frame. Yes it cost some but it really shoots. You may want to look at the 30/40s balisitics.