Obama to defund space program...

[Oldshooter]

Thats playing politics with our money.

Oh Well ! We certainly cant have that happen! obama would never do that! Duhh!!!   

I don't care about obama and what political games he or any other politician wants to play. The only question any American needs to ask themselves, is defunding NASA the right or wrong thing to do at this time? For me the right answer is yes. If I have to weight the political impacts of doing what's right, then by default all your doing is playing politics as a citizen. Leave the politics to the politicans, thats why most people think their scum! Because our country takes a back seat to right & wrong.

 


Well C4 all I can say is in fantasy land you can do what ever you want, and if you believe that this is not a political decision by obama(you do know that he is the one making the decision right) thats where you are at. It dont make a fur ball what "we" think its gonna happen but then that is what you want aint it? We shouldn't cut government waste but we should cut the space program.

[kyhareraiser]

don't think business's being successful,,the USA being successful,,,and americans citizens being homeless and starving is any of the concerns of the whitehouse

[Dixie Dude]

I have a book that I have loaned out.  It listed all the products developed for the space program.  Lycra for womens girdles, rip-stop nilon because it was lighter than canvas, aluminum alloys to replace steel, miniature electronics to save weight, health monitoring systems now used in hospitals, graphites and plastics, synthetic clothing, Pampers, light weight heat resistant materials, developed the means to handle supercold liquids, which may one day be used to power our cars on liquid hydrogen or liquid natural gas.  Less expensive and more powerful solar cells for electric production.  I could go on and on.  The only other government program which developed new products was and is the military.  We have to maintain our edge in new products and new technologies or we will no longer be no. 1.  Germany had the highest standard of living in Europe before WWI because they spent a lot on science and technology.  Space covers almost all sciences, geology, medicine, chemistry, energy, mechanics, textiles.  

We spend far more on foreign aid, military, welfare, etc, in one year, than the space program has spent since its inception, yet it has yielded so many benefits, especially in medicine and materials, than any program the government ever spent money on.   

[Cabin4]

Thats playing politics with our money.

Oh Well ! We certainly cant have that happen! obama would never do that! Duhh!!!   

I don't care about obama and what political games he or any other politician wants to play. The only question any American needs to ask themselves, is defunding NASA the right or wrong thing to do at this time? For me the right answer is yes. If I have to weight the political impacts of doing what's right, then by default all your doing is playing politics as a citizen. Leave the politics to the politicans, thats why most people think their scum! Because our country takes a back seat to right & wrong.

 


Well C4 all I can say is in fantasy land you can do what ever you want, and if you believe that this is not a political decision by obama(you do know that he is the one making the decision right) thats where you are at. It dont make a fur ball what "we" think its gonna happen but then that is what you want aint it? We shouldn't cut government waste but we should cut the space program.

Oldshooter, you are as stuborn as a mule. I never said it was not political for obama to offer the NASA funding cuts. I said I don't care if his motivation is political or not. READ MY POSTS! I also never said I support obama. I simply said I support spending cuts. Nearly any spending cut is a good one when we have a $1.7trillion dollar annual defecit and we are on pace to rack up a $12 to 14 trillion dollar defecit over the next few years.

I further said what damn differance does it make if its political or not?? Most all politicians will make decisisons in the political context anyway! As an American citizen you should agree or disagree with thier decision on it's individual merits. If all you did was determine if a politician is making a decision in the political sence, you'll never support anything. Thier freakin politicians.....

But you know, this is like Burger King here. Have it your way. Keep trying to put words in my mouth. I really don't care. People can read what I wrote.

 

[billy_56081]

We can't spend money on a space program that has a HUGE benefit to our country and economy. But we can send money to cause evenmore over population in Haiti. Boy you liberals have not one whisker of common sence. 

[Squib]

whoa, calm down billy.  cabin isn't supporting feeding foreign bums- he's saying prioritize current spending.  america is just gonna end up selling technological advances to china to pay the nation's debts so maybe stabilizing the economy and getting out of debt is a good idea before worrying about a future that won't happen without stopping the financial hemorrage.

[Oldshooter]

Thats playing politics with our money.

Oh Well ! We certainly cant have that happen! obama would never do that! Duhh!!!   

I don't care about obama and what political games he or any other politician wants to play. The only question any American needs to ask themselves, is defunding NASA the right or wrong thing to do at this time? For me the right answer is yes. If I have to weight the political impacts of doing what's right, then by default all your doing is playing politics as a citizen. Leave the politics to the politicans, thats why most people think their scum! Because our country takes a back seat to right & wrong.

 


Well C4 all I can say is in fantasy land you can do what ever you want, and if you believe that this is not a political decision by obama(you do know that he is the one making the decision right) thats where you are at. It dont make a fur ball what "we" think its gonna happen but then that is what you want aint it? We shouldn't cut government waste but we should cut the space program.

Oldshooter, you are as stuborn as a mule. I never said it was not political for obama to offer the NASA funding cuts. I said I don't care if his motivation is political or not. READ MY POSTS! I also never said I support obama. I simply said I support spending cuts. Nearly any spending cut is a good one when we have a $1.7trillion dollar annual defecit and we are on pace to rack up a $12 to 14 trillion dollar defecit over the next few years.

I further said what damn differance does it make if its political or not?? Most all politicians will make decisisons in the political context anyway! As an American citizen you should agree or disagree with thier decision on it's individual merits. If all you did was determine if a politician is making a decision in the political sence, you'll never support anything. Thier freakin politicians.....

But you know, this is like Burger King here. Have it your way. Keep trying to put words in my mouth. I really don't care. People can read what I wrote.

Not trying to put words in your mouth C4, and yes I am as stubborn as a mule. but i can read as well. I dont think you do support obama.

The point i failed to make is We cant just go around locking up things that obama wants to and not doing anything about the ridiculus spending going on someplace else. He is gonna lock up the space program and use the money(like there is some) to further his agenda, and when folks say "yea shut it down we gotta save some money" he grins cause he knows its a farce and hes gonna spend the money anyway! And on less important and less needed leftist BS.

So I guess I'm saying dont go along with his plan like its the frugal thing to do. HE and HIs dont give a rats ass if we are in budget or not! He will spend us into hell and then say "I tried to cut some corners, and save some jobs!  ARRRRGHHHHHH!!!! but your perception is your reality I suppose!

[Oldshooter]

 A squib "multipost"


You guys just dont get it! Stopping the space program does not do anything but stop the space program!  obama will use the money to get some corrupt scientist to tell us that we are killing the planet and he will get cap and tax passed to tax us some more!

Is that better Squib? 

[Cabin4]

whoa, calm down billy.  cabin isn't supporting feeding foreign bums- he's saying prioritize current spending.  america is just gonna end up selling technological advances to china to pay the nation's debts so maybe stabilizing the economy and getting out of debt is a good idea before worrying about a future that won't happen without stopping the financial hemorrage.

Remember Squib,

Billy calls every one a liberal who does not support the effort to kill all 1 billion muzzies and he thinks being a conservative means throwing our constituion out the window. I'm thinking we've got Love Canal #2 going on in southern Minnesota!

Put that into perspective when he calls someone a liberal.

[crustylicious]

The original poster's link doesn't work and I question the insinuation that funding is being reduced. Looks like the private sector is going to get a chance to show us what they can do.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/27/obama-budget-drop-nasa-constellation-program/

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100131/Space_Race_100131/20100131?hub=World

[45-70.gov]

The original poster's link doesn't work and I question the insinuation that funding is being reduced. Looks like the private sector is going to get a chance to show us what they can do.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/27/obama-budget-drop-nasa-constellation-program/

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100131/Space_Race_100131/20100131?hub=World

who was stopping them before???

[Oldshooter]

The original poster's link doesn't work and I question the insinuation that funding is being reduced. Looks like the private sector is going to get a chance to show us what they can do.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/27/obama-budget-drop-nasa-constellation-program/

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100131/Space_Race_100131/20100131?hub=World

If you question the insinuation that funding is being withdrawn, Read the words in the link you posted above, obama-budget-drop-nasa, Its in the link, ya think? 

And as I stated above obama wont put the money to better use, he will use it to further his leftist agenda.

Ironglow fix the link before we are accused of making this thread up again!

[ironglow]

Crusta;
     Apparently that original link disappeared into cyberspace som e time after I posted it. I should hope you were not lulled into thinking the link was a "stand alone", inaccurate link, so, I provided another.
     Such links to his defunding of NASA are not at all hard to find, just type in a Google search for something like > Obama stops NASA funding < , or anything in that vein.
            here's another   http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100129/NEWS0204/1290329/NASA-plan-will-be-battle

     Realizing the boner he has pulled..the administration has apparently decided to re-fund some small portion of the program...then put out a le3ad story that Obama is "funding NASA" ...
      Yeah, right ! ....Take away a gallon; give back a teaspoonful..

[ironglow]

    Don't think for one moment that any funds "saved" by defunding a current program will be sensibly utilized..We have already seen the TARP money the banks borrowed,... paid back with interest. Has the Obama admin used it to pay off our debts ? Have they given taxpayers a tax cut ?   Answer..NO....to both questions !
       The brilliant Obamanites now have diverted the efforts of the CIA away from looking for attempted terrorist attacks..to a mission of looking for evidences of global warming...
    Not stopping there, the Obama "brain trust" is now requiring the SEC...yes, the Securities and Exchange Commission, to take their eye off such eight-balls as Bernie Madeoff...and start grilling legitimate corporations about "global warming"....
     
      http://naturalresourcereport.com/2010/01/greg-walden-global-warming-and-the-sec-fiasco/

   Have this bunch of misfits completely lost their marbles ?

[ironglow]

  That's the CIA, SEC, NASA ....and who knows how many more govt agencies which are being diverted from their major thrust to look for evidence of "global warming" ..... something that doesn't even exist...
        
      Rather like INTERPOL being set upon the trail of the tooth fairy....

    Ever wonder who's minding the store ?

[gypsyman]

Just read where the Dept. of Energy is funded for over 24 billion dollars, and has over 60,000 employees. One major factor, they don't produce one gallon of gas, kilowatt of power, one ccf of natural gas or propane. Lets fire all those pencil pushers and put that towards NASA. gypsyman

[Dixie Dude]

45-70, there are two main companies trying to get their spacecraft into space.  One is Space-x, who has developed a 6 man capsule, that is very simple, always comes down the right way regardless of its direction due to its weight layout.  The heaviest part is on the heat shield side.  Another is a company developing a mini-shuttle, designed to also carry 6 and land at any airport.  Both are well along, but are funded by private money on a shoestring.  With a government contract, both could be ready to fly in a couple of years.  Another company is trying to fund a space hotel.  He has already launched two Kevlar inflatable habitant modules on Russian rockets, because Nasa didn't want to launch them.  He is ready to launch his space hotel when the two other companies gets their spacecraft in orbit.  The economy has thrown them off timing.  Space-x is associated with Bert Rutan's suborbital Spaceship 1 and Spaceship 2 who launches paying customers.  If Nasa was smart they would launch paying customers like the Russians to the space station.  On a side note, there is enough platnum on the moon to last us indefinately.  Platnum is used in catylitic converters on cars, and is getting very expensive. 

[beerbelly]

Obama will defund everything except welfare and Acorn! There is no doubt that he is out to destroy this country!
                                     Beerbelly

[mcwoodduck]

Tang and Dehydrated products.

[mcwoodduck]

They wouldn't even be exercising this internet, had it not been for the space program.

Not true, the INTERNET grew from the old government ARPANET which I am not even sure NASA used..

I think that we as a country would  be better off if the space program was managed in the private sector.

Matt

But didn't the high speed computers come from the Space program?
What was it the Cray that got us to Marz?
Speaking of Democrats and Space.  In Huston the Rep at the time was Shelia Jackson Lee.  She asked the NASA guys if they could drive the MARZ rover over to the Astronaught landing site to see the American flag that was planted.  DUH!  that was the MOON not Marz.  No wonder
They want to retask NASA they can't keep where we have gone and what is going on strait.

[lgm270]

One thing I've noticed  about negroids and most non-whites in general:  They hate the space program.   When we landed on the moon in 1969  I was in college and I heard nothing but hatred and derision from liberal professors and their pet minority students for this amazing achievement.  This hatred has continued unabated for more than half a century. Recently I heard a monologue from Wanda Sykes, Black  comedienne, and  she relentlessly attacked the space program.  

Since then, I've noticed that they hate the entire concept of achievement and civilization. They think those are "white" concepts.  In Berkeley  California, they're canceling  science labs because  they have too many white kids in them and not enough "minorities."  Did you get that?  They're shutting down science labs because "minorities" are too dumb to learn science and it's unfair to have classes for white kids are are smart enough to learn science!   

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2441199/posts
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/why-do-white-kids-always-have-to-suffer/blog-249873/
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.research/browse_thread/thread/4a816dd27d586d59

Question: When you have a black president, black cabinet members, and 97% of the black voters represented in the government to the exclusion of all other people, what do you have?  
 
Answer:  Haiti

Question:  When the USA has been transformed into Haiti (or Northern Mexico), who will give us foreign aid and help us when we have natural disasters?  

Answer:  No one.  

[Squib]

lgm I understand what you're getting at... but the people who voted for obama are already "haitians".... they'll just sit around with no purpose or pleasure in their lives waiting for any opportunity to rape, pillage, loot and etcetera because they are scum.  the people in haiti are attacking aid workers, raping women in the aid shelters, robbing each other... they have been in poverty for a long time and still keep having children and not having jobs to support them.  the us is alreay on that road.

pull off onto the nearest exit if you can, and good luck.  (exit- safe haven in the woods, caves, fallout shelters....)

[45-70.gov]

lgm I understand what you're getting at... but the people who voted for obama are already "haitians".... they'll just sit around with no purpose or pleasure in their lives waiting for any opportunity to rape, pillage, loot and etcetera because they are scum.  the people in haiti are attacking aid workers, raping women in the aid shelters, robbing each other... they have been in poverty for a long time and still keep having children and not having jobs to support them.  the us is alreay on that road.

pull off onto the nearest exit if you can, and good luck.  (exit- safe haven in the woods, caves, fallout shelters....)

you are  wrong
i  know  song  real  looser  white  folks voted for  him
i even  know a few  successfull  white folks voted  for  him


ANY ONE THAT VOTES FOR ANY DEMOCRAT IS A FOOL
ANY  ONE THAT VOTED  FOR  HIM  IS  A  BIGGER FOOL

[lgm270]

Obama will defund everything except welfare and Acorn! There is no doubt that he is out to destroy this country!
                                     Beerbelly

Wow!  Why don't you say what you really think?

[Squib]

I didn't say whites are necessarily exempt from being scum!  ha, my dad was the cliche trailer-park wife beater, I know better!

[45-70.gov]

I didn't say whites are necessarily exempt from being scum!  ha, my dad was the cliche trailer-park wife beater, I know better!

and  your  correct
most   blacks  are  racist  and  voted  based on skin color
also  many  whites are  racist [with white guilt]  voted  based on skin color
many  just  voted  for ''robin  hood''  and the hand outs
many  fools are loyal democrats

but  the  black  get out to vote   for the first black  is  the biggest factor
mccain  the liberal  was the second biggest factor

this  is  off topic tho

WHY  IS  HE DEFUNDING   SPACE  IS ON TOPIC
and  it is  seated  in  his liberal  root
which  place no value  in acheivement

liberals  see  power in the hands  of stupid  easy  to lead  poor masses
not  in  technology  and  those capable self-reliant  folks that don't need a hand out

[Squib]

I agreed with seeing a "trend" among some groups, a calling to assimilate and operate with a set agenda to be scum- not deviation from society but a subculture of filth.  Individuals will always be prone to moral failure and greed- that wasn't an issue I chose to discuss or debate.  It's the welfare, poor-me, the white man held me down by giving me affirmative action but falling short of just giving me all the jobs even though "my people" only number 12% of american citizens racial make-up yet are a majority of felons mentality.

That doesn't mean that I don't honor the contributions of, and respect decent men that are black either, but I make no apologies for hating "african"-america and it's "poor me" theology.  If they think they're different and deserve different treatment than the rest of us in the collective then they should be treated different-denied respect (IMO).

[Squib]

I really believe that any success america has at this point technologically will be sold to the highest bidder, if not china outright.  why not, china owns the land, more and more of it every decade.  it owns the money too- pretty soon the chinese might bump the rothschilds out of the picture and pick up the marionette strings and make the nation dance to a new beat.  I don't see it working out any other way (unless the nation collapses, then who knows what?).

In the mean time I hate and won't hesitate to degrade any of the weak and needy who cry about the system while working to leech instead of excel.

[Cabin4]

I didn't say whites are necessarily exempt from being scum! 

There are alot of them out there. The last election is proof.

[Squib]

some of them are in my family- I have an affirmed obamamaniac in my primarily catholic family.

I called her out in the last family reunion