What to do with the republican party?

[Dee]

that makes absolutley no sense whatsoever..pure nonsense.

What makes no sense is to pet a dog that you know will bite you.
What makes no sense, is to know a man is trying to steal your rights, has no respect for the Constitution, and has proved it, and continued to prove it, for over 30 years, and you still support him. That truly is: Pure nonsense.
 But continue on, we expect it, and you have plenty of help.



BENJAMIN FRANKLIN WAS RIGHT! "TRADERS" DO NOT DESERVE FREEDOM! SOON THEY WILL HAVE IT "TRADED" ALL AWAY!

[45-70.gov]

that makes absolutley no sense whatsoever..pure nonsense.

What makes no sense is to pet a dog that you know will bite you.
What makes no sense, is to know a man is trying to steal your rights, has no respect for the Constitution, and has proved it, and continued to prove it, for over 30 years, and you still support him. That truly is: Pure nonsense.
 But continue on, we expect it, and you have plenty of help.



BENJAMIN FRANKLIN WAS RIGHT! "TRADERS" DO NOT DESERVE FREEDOM! SOON THEY WILL HAVE IT "TRADED" ALL AWAY!

mccains  dog  wants to bite   you

obama  wants to shoot you

your going to lunch  with  one  of them

just pet the dog........you might too  better next time

[Dee]

I've been bit before 45-70, and shot at. The best formula is to dispose of both the biter, and the shootist.



BENJAMIN FRANKLIN WAS RIGHT! "TRADERS" DON'T DESERVE FREEDOM!

[Oldshooter]

All I can and will say is, You Dee disciples  just keep throwing your votes in the trash to make a point. And telling us how we are selling you out. The left will certainly appreciate it. obama may even mention you in his inaugural address with a note of thanks. Now after he gets re-elected dont come whining on the forums about how he is destroying our once great nation. Just post about how we that wont drink the "wasted vote to make a point kool-aid " sold you out! and how we cant elect anyone that meets your approvals. I dont like the republican debacles of the past ten years but even those dont hold a match to the debacles of the past "1"  year Geeze, you want more of that?
Show me a candidate that meets your approval, and has any credability as a front runner and i will vote for him/her. Otherwise quit selling "US" out, by pouting cause the perfect candidate ain't running.

I think the last year has shown that the two parties are not the same! and People are removing their heads from their rectums and getting out and voicing their disapproval. There may be some hope if we dont get sold out by a third party, that will give obama a second term. Some have gotten it in DC, some never will. We just need to weed the trash out! A little "glass is half full" attitude is in order here. No defeatist rhetoric.

Now you can have the last word cause I'm done here!  

[Dee]

I don't need the last work. Your gonna vote the what your gonna vote, and I'm gonna do the same.



BENJAMIN FRANKLIN WAS RIGHT! "TRADERS" DON'T DESERVE FREEDOM!

[Redtail1949]

hey dee who did you vote for? if no one then you played a big part in obamas win..lol

[Dee]

hey dee who did you vote for? if no one then you played a big part in obamas win..lol

This just goes back to you not understanding it Redtail1949. I vote Libertarian, but I'm in Texas, and your RINO candidate carried Texas, so with all you other RINOs votin for him, my vote didn't matter either way. I coulda voted for Daffy Duck, or for your candidate Phillip Nolan, or any of the other Phillip Nolans you guys support.


OLE BEN FRANKLIN WAS RIGHT! THE "TRADERS" ARE GIVIN OUR FREEDOMS AWAY!

[alsaqr]

I ain't voting for any scummy Democrats or scummy Republicans who are running for national office-period.  That McCain criminal did something that the Obama criminal never did.  McCain proposed some draconian gun control trash. 


http://www.gunlaws.com/McCainLieberman.htm

Re: S. 890, The McCain-Lieberman Bill: "Gun Show Loophole Closing and Gun Law Enforcement Act of 2001."

by Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America

Mass media publicity on the newly proposed gun-show bill is grossly inaccurate.

The bill has almost nothing to do with what you've probably heard so far. The so-called "gun-show loophole" headlines are a minor detail and basically obscure what the bill really does.

I've just finished studying the eight pages of legalese. Here is it what it calls for:

1. Unprecedented federal control over gun shows nationwide -- perfectly legal gun shows become strictly outlawed without prior federal approval, licensing and registration of each show;

2. Centralized federal licensing and registration of every gun-show promoter in the nation;

3. Centralized federal registration of every vendor -- including non-gun vendors -- at any gun show in the country. In order for me to sell my BOOKS at a gun show I'll have to pre-register and prove who I am, or face arrest; a private individual looking to sell a single gun would be treated as a vendor under this law and must be registered even if the gun isn't sold;

4. Centralized federal registration of EVERY PERSON who attends a gun show in America, whether or not they make purchases of anything at all -- you won't be allowed in without registering;

5. Centralized collection of "any other information" on gun-show attendees, as determined solely by the Secretary of the Treasury;

6. Imprisonment for attending a gun show and failing to give up any information required by regulations of the Secretary of the Treasury;

7. Imprisonment of any gun-show promoter who fails to register a single vendor;

8. Imprisonment of gun-show promoters who cannot prove they notified every person attending a gun show of the new rules, and obtained from attendees any information the Secretary of the Treasury mandates by regulation;

9. Centralized collection of "any other information" the Secretary of the Treasury decides, by regulation, is necessary on vendors, attendees, and the gun show itself;

10. Submission by gun-show promoters of vendor registration logs a) 30 days before any gun show, and b) additional submission of updated vendor registration logs 72 hours before any gun show, and c) additional submission of vendor registration logs within five days of the close of any gun show, under penalty of arrest and imprisonment for non-compliance;

11. Identification of vendors only by use of federally approved photo ID that may include use of a social security number, electronically encoded data, or "biometric identifiers" such as fingerprint, voice print, retina scan, iris scan, or similar (as defined under 18 USC 1028(d)(2));

12. Creation of a new license (in addition to a gun-show-promoter license), similar to FFLs, for individuals who want access to the NICS national background check system for facilitating gun-show sales for private citizens;

13. Regulations to be issued by the Secretary of the Treasury on the procedures, data collections, methods and implementation of the entire process to federally control gun shows, in addition to the requirements made by the proposed statute; such regulations will not be known, drafted or even suggested, until after the McCain-Lieberman law is enacted;

14. The proposed bill also puts pressure on state governments to make at least 95% of their law enforcement records for the past 30 years openly available to the federal government; and

-- makes unlimited funds available for the states to comply with these federal goals;

-- requires annual federal review of states' compliance;

-- increases penalties (up to ten years imprisonment) for record-keeping violations;

-- grants states permission to make even more restrictive requirements without being out of compliance with these new federal laws (and by implication, puts states that resist these rules in federal trouble);

-- provides hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars for more law enforcement under numerous programs including project Exile and others;

-- hires 200 more Federal BATF Agents;

-- provides $10 million to the National Institute for Justice to give out for research on "technologies that limit the use of a gun to the owner"; and

-- provides for annual reports (in great detail) by the Attorney General to Congress on whether the Brady law is working;

15. Enlargement of the federal bureaucracy and appropriation from taxpayers of "such funds as are necessary" to license, register and monitor an estimated ten million non-criminals who attend the thousands of gun shows held annually in America; and

16. Oh yes, I almost forgot about the so-called "loophole" part the media is so excited about -- the McCain-Lieberman bill will make an honest private citizen a criminal for transferring a gun to another honest private citizen, without first registering the transfer with, and getting permission from, the federal government (represented by the FBI at its data complex in Clarksburg, West Virginia).

Transfer or possession of a firearm to or by a criminal (a "federally prohibited possessor") is completely unaffected by the McCain-Lieberman "loophole" bill, so I guess it's accurate to characterize it as a loophole bill.

[Dee]

Yes alsaqr, he is but one of the many Phillip Nolans in our country's government, and we have millions of Phillip Nolan supporters whom vote for them.


BEN FRANKLIN WAS RIGHT! ANY ONE WHOM WOULD TRADE FREEDOM FOR A LITTLE SECURITY DESERVES NEITHER!

[45-70.gov]

seems  like  all those  third party  folks
could join the republican party

and  just vote out  the RINOS   on the primary level

wouldn't  it be easier to out number  the RINOS in the primaries

than  to  out number the  democrats AND republicans in the general election


funny they  can't even  fix  the republican  party
but  they can  beat   both parties  when  they both work together  to keep out opposition


sure david  beat  goliath
centuries  later they are still talking about  it
because it is such a rare  occurense

[nomosendero]

Alsaqr, thanks for providing that McCainLieberman info for all to see, a really bad proposal!!!

[Dixie Dude]

I think the only way to get a good viable third party is to start with local elections, city councils, mayors, sheriffs etc.  As the third party takes hold, these people with good service can then start running for state elections, state representatives and senators, then work toward US representatives and senators.  It has to start locally and work up.  The tea parties are working. 

[nw_hunter]

seems  like  all those  third party  folks
could join the republican party

and  just vote out  the RINOS   on the primary level


I voted Republican most of my adult life. Up to and including that traitor GW Bush, until the second term.

There is no hope for the Republican party! They are actually a bigger threat to the constitution than the Democrats.
The Republican platform is great, but they ignore it when they are elected. At least the Democrats don't make any bones about who they are. They are pure socialists. The Republican party still wants us to believe they are Conservative. "You know" That party that believes in smaller government and less spending.

By the way 45-70! I did vote for a Republican in the primary election. (R. Paul)
Then I voted for a true Constitutionalist in the general election........Chuck Baldwin.

There is no way my conscience would allow me to vote for traitors like McCain or Obama.

[Swampman]

I vote Republican right down the ticket.  I like them fine!

[nw_hunter]

I vote Republican right down the ticket.  I like them fine!

Well thur you go!..........Looks like you got it all figgurd out!

[Swampman]

Better than voting for some 3rd party clown or a democrat.

[wareagleguy]

The thing is that it makes not difference because the all mighty $ talks in Washington.  You guys can picks sides because we have already been sold out.

[rio grande]

seems  like  all those  third party  folks
could join the republican party

and  just vote out  the RINOS   on the primary level

wouldn't  it be easier to out number  the RINOS in the primaries

than  to  out number the  democrats AND republicans in the general election


funny they  can't even  fix  the republican  party
but  they can  beat   both parties  when  they both work together  to keep out opposition


sure david  beat  goliath
centuries  later they are still talking about  it
because it is such a rare  occurense

Maybe all the Republican voters could vote third-party.
Then we'd actually see some positive changes.

[Dee]

That would make more sense, but their too scared of the Democrats to.


ANYONE WHOM WILL TRADE FREEDOM FOR A LITTLE SECURITY, DESERVES NEITHER! BEN FRANKLIN

[billy_56081]

I was all set to vote 3rd party last election and then I was convinced to vote Mc Cain by this post.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,150547.0.html

[Casull]

I was all set to vote 3rd party last election and then I was convinced to vote Mc Cain by this post.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,150547.0.html

Nice one, Billy.   

[dbuz]

I voted for Ron Paul and was then forced to vote for the progressive McCain. Palin is out there campaigning for him right now. She says he is a good American. What?! Has she looked at his voting record. He even said Teddy was his hero. Don't let them fool you again when they try to go to the right to get the votes. Get rid of the scum and put some new blood in office. Maybe they can fix all of the mess Osama, I mean Obama, is doing to our great nation.

[Dee]

nw_hunter, have you noticed that the village idiot is still draggin around a thread I started on Sara Palin in August of 2008 around tryin to make folks think I supported McCain?
He's too stupid to realize that folks can go back to about every post of mine after that thread, and see that Palin ended up very shortly there after, not being enough to get McCain my vote. He just couldn't quit being McCain.
But that wouldn't fit der idiotmyster's intent would it?
Such a sad little creature, but now he's got himself a twin to back him up in his idiocy.

[Casull]

Dee, just because you don't like being shown for a moron is no reason to start name calling. 

[billy_56081]

I myself usually either vote for the person not the party. But there are times when I vote against some folks. I myself would love to see the ballot have only the candiddate name and no party affiliation listed.

And Dan your in my prayers.

[Dixie Dude]

America is like a big ship.  It doesn't turn right or left on a dime.  That is why if you keep the lesser of two evils in office, eventually you can pull this giant ship to the right.  Every now and then a Reagan will come along.  We just can't let it keep going left.  Third parties start at grass roots, not on the national level.  Vote in primaries, then vote in the general election.  Always vote in the primaries for the most conservative, and get out and work for them.  Also, in Alabama the Republicans are pretty conservative, so no problem here.  Even our senators and congressmen have problems in Washington. 

[jimster]

Gee I dunno...Seems like what we have right now is a result of people voting for the lesser of two evils.
The old attitude I'll vote Republican before I vote for a "third party clown" gave us what we have today.

Bankrupt Country and States.
Corruption at all levels in both parties.
The most $$$ wins elections.
A high court that is "almost" totally progressive and rules on feelings...one more judge and we are there.
Reaching "across the isle" and spending our money foolishly, in the name of "working together"...

So how is this voting for the lesser of two evils working out for you guys so far?  Not to swell eh?  I rest my case on that alone.

Why would you keep it up?  And how long before you break away?  

Tell me again....why we keep the lesser of two evils in office?  Because America does not turn on a dime?

It turned on a dime when we fought the British...It turned on a dime when Dems voted for a rep in Mass....
I have seen America turn on a dime pretty fast in my day at different times.  If you turn your ship too slow...you won't make the turn at all....you just sail the wrong course and say good enough.  That's what you been doin ya know.  

You will all break away from the two parties when things get bad anough...evidently, they are not bad enough for you yet.

They will be....trust me on that.



 

[45-70.gov]

seems  like  all those  third party  folks
could join the republican party

and  just vote out  the RINOS   on the primary level

wouldn't  it be easier to out number  the RINOS in the primaries

than  to  out number the  democrats AND republicans in the general election


funny they  can't even  fix  the republican  party
but  they can  beat   both parties  when  they both work together  to keep out opposition


sure david  beat  goliath
centuries  later they are still talking about  it
because it is such a rare  occurense

Maybe all the Republican voters could vote third-party.
Then we'd actually see some positive changes.

that  is very  true
maybe even  pick  up a few disgruntled democrats  that would NEVER vote republican

start a new  thread  ''pick a 3rd party''
see how divided every one  is
i  say  libertaians...they   been on the ballot in ALL  50 states for years
been  around the  longest
never get  more than 2%

the constitution party
on the ballot in  25 states  2008
being promoted  to draw  down the libertaian party

reform party
ross  perot  made a decent  showing
WAS  THE  4TH MAN ON THE BALLOT IN ALL 50 STATES
the year he ran
the libertaian was the 3rd man  on the ballot in ALL 50 STATES
reform party  had a governor
the reform  party  is  all but  dead

the next president will  be  a rebuplican  or a democrat
i  hope  i am  wrong......but  then  my x always  told  me...''your never wrong'' as if a bad thing

[Casull]

Tell me again....why we keep the lesser of two evils in office?

One word . . . Obama.  Nuff said.

[Casull]

So how is this voting for the lesser of two evils working out for you guys so far?  Not to swell eh?  I rest my case on that alone.

A bit better than that third party thing has worked for you.