What to do with the republican party?

[powderman]

So how is this voting for the lesser of two evils working out for you guys so far?  Not to swell eh?  I rest my case on that alone.

A bit better than that third party thing has worked for you.

OLD SHOOTER, CASSULL. Good posts, all true. I keep hearing garbage about a third party. Which one???There are those here throwing their vote away every election. WHY??? Oh yeh I know, a matter of principal, you are making a point. BALONEY. All you did was help elect osama obama. Hope you are happy with yourselves. POWDERMAN. 

[Questor]

The only party currently active in America is the democrat party. The republican party is dead.

[jimster]

Since a third party has never run Congress, or took the top seat I'd have to say we don't know how that works yet.  So none of us know how a third party would work out yet.

What we do know is voting for the lesser of two evils gave us what we have today.  
Using any logic at all tells me this party line voting thing has not worked.  

There isn't always a third party to vote for either, but starting at grass roots levels, local elections and such, might be where to start.  Might not have to be a third party either if someone in a major party stands tall.  

The reason Obama is in power is basically because of republicans,  you can thank them for the mess.
If they would have found the path to constitutionalism instead of their bullcrap middle of the road crap, we might not have booted them out of power.  Republicans can blame themselves for all this, nobody else.

Still trying to remove our socialist republican representative from Michigan...guess you can blame him for that too if someone "worse" takes his place.  That's the breaks.

Republicans elected Obama...they did it all by themselves.  Might as well admit that, or it will keep happening.

[Dee]

jimster, we are lucky here in this part of Texas. There has been several independents (Libertarian & Constitutional party) candidates for about every state and federal office. There was a candidate from all four parties on the Presidential race ballot last time, and I am sure they were on most everyone else's ballots, but were ignored.
Every thing starts with ONE, and I will be part of the minority hoping the majority eventually stops squandering their vote out of fear, and voting my rights away.


ANYONE WHOM WOULD TRADE FREEDOM FOR A LITTLE SECURITY, DESERVES NEITHER!   BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

[jimster]

Well Dee, there are two of us now. Maybe more of us later.

I'm not voting out of fear anymore...that didn't work, and we can prove it didn't work.  
I can also prove republicans are responsible for all we have right now, it's their fault as much as anyones fault.  Had a couple of those "town hall" meeting on the telephone with our republican representative, if you stay on the phone long enough you get to ask them a question live on the phone in front of a whole bunch of people on the phone lines. He could not answer my question and sounded like any democrat I ever heard. He's history if I have my way, and I am not afraid of who takes his place either. All done with being afraid of voting out republicrats.  

Let is get worse...let it get so much worse that lots of people walk away from both parties.  
I can hold out as long as it takes.

[Dee]

Me too jimster.


ANYONE WHOM WILL TRADE FREEDOM FOR A LITTLE SECURITY, DESERVES NEITHER!  BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

[thxmrgarand]

I do not only vote for, I volunteer for and contribute $ to pro-gun candidates.  I work especially long and hard if the pro-gun candidate has an anti-gun opponent.  I likely have an opinion on at least 100 other current political issues but it's unlikely I will know what each candidate thinks about each of those, and if I did know I would learn that if I could only vote for someone who agrees with me on all issues then I would be unable to vote.

Voting is the only practical way to overthrow this government.  Everything else is just talk, foolish talk at that.

I also keep the NRA informed about political races in my state.

Whether you like or dislike the Republican party, and whether or not you think it's dead, recent elections prove that the party is still viable and that it is feared by its enemies.

[billy_56081]

The Dems are sucessful at an alliance of subcultures, homo's, enviros, socialists, communists, baby killers and illegals have all formed an unholy alliance to defeat conservative values any way they can. The Repubs while far from ideal are the only chance we have of stopping this red tide of liberalism. What we are seeing here is team players and social misfits. On the conservative side of American politics we need to rally the troops and get back on the team. If our most conservative members leave the Republican party it will only cause the party to move further left. The dream of a third party is a long way from reality. The third parties out there are only groups that pander to a small faction. We need to learn from the unholy alliance of the left and band together.

What we do not need is the I'm always right and my way is the only way crowd. People like them are devicive and have no place in an alliance. We have one member who admittedly voted for W twice as president and before that voted for him as Governor of Texas. When Mc Cain was nomenated for the 08 race this person acted like a pubecent teen boy over his pick of Palin as VP. Now this same person admonishes and belittles us who are team players. This kind of person is not what we need on the team.


We are never going to get a candidate on the ballot that is perfect. But if we are a part of the team we can have some input on who we do get there.

[gwhilikerz]

Let's see. Those of us who vote our convictions are stupid because our candidate can't win. But those that "stick with the team" are terrific and they never throw away their vote. We are to join the team and vote along the party lines, even if the party has an idiot running. Some have even said they were "forced" to vote for Mccain because he was the party's candidate and if you didn't vote for him you threw your vote away, allowing Obuma to win. "The lesser of two evils" has been mentioned lots of times here. To me you republicans are as much of a problem as the dems. It is this blind loyalty to a party instead of to America that is the shame.

[45-70.gov]

Let's see. Those of us who vote our convictions are stupid because our candidate can't win. But those that "stick with the team" are terrific and they never throw away their vote. We are to join the team and vote along the party lines, even if the party has an idiot running. Some have even said they were "forced" to vote for Mccain because he was the party's candidate and if you didn't vote for him you threw your vote away, allowing Obuma to win. "The lesser of two evils" has been mentioned lots of times here. To me you republicans are as much of a problem as the dems. It is this blind loyalty to a party instead of to America that is the shame.

you  are  correct

and  we  do it for  america

we failed this time and  america  fell into the hands of the communist

[Casull]

"The lesser of two evils" has been mentioned lots of times here.

Far too many times have I heard that here.  A couple of people here forget that it is just a saying and treat it as gospel.  But, small minds are quick to grasp at sound bites.  McCain was not, and is not "evil".  He is often wrong, and sometimes foolish.  This does not make him evil.  But, some people will always be "glass half empty" types.

[alsaqr]

 

McCain was not, and is not "evil".  He is often wrong, and sometimes foolish.  This does not make him evil.

That's your take on McCain.  Mine differs. 

[beerbelly]

It is as simple as this, in 2012 you will get a republican president or you will get Obama for a second term! Take your pick!
                              Beerbelly

[magooch]

Beerbelly--right you are.

[Dixie Dude]

If we get involved with the Rep. party locally, we can change it from the grassroots. 

[nomosendero]

McCain was not, and is not "evil".  He is often wrong, and sometimes foolish.  This does not make him evil.

That's your take on McCain.  Mine differs. 

If he is not evil, what is he?

[jimster]

Obviously it's hard for some to grasp what some of us are talking about here.  

"It is as simple as this, in 2012 you will get a republican president or you will get Obama for a second term! Take your pick!"

Obama would make a good republican president, he is doing all the things Bush did...and he is doing all the things McCain would have done.  Obama is just a bit faster, but all the very same things are being done as was being done under Bush.  Even the comedians on TV are picking up on that and making jokes about how Ovama would make a good republican president...they make a good point.  

If you don't get there is no difference in basic policies between the last republican president and this one, you will never get it, you will never see anything but your old party, and there is no hope of anyone ever thinking on their own...just vote for a party cause you always have, or worse yet, vote out of fear that if you don't something worse will happen.  

And all this even after Bush embarrassed you after voting for him...even after Bush signed all the spending that Dems wanted just to get his money for war. Even after Bush walked over the constitution in order to prove his point on national security.  

Maybe if your stuck in that party mode you need to ask yourselves, just what really is the difference between Bush and Obama and McCain???...I can't find much at all anywhere.  Ya, McCain is a hero, I know, that does not give him a free pass on walking on our constitution either.  Which he has done.

Republicans do not automatically mean it's better than Obama...could be worse, cause your blind to what they really do.  They just try to hide much of what Obama does out in the open.  Least you know where Obama stands.

Dixie Dude...you might be right about being able to change the reps at grass roots...hope so, my wife hopes so too.  They need to get it fast...they let us all down pretty hard over a lot of years.