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Science vs. God
« on: January 31, 2010, 07:38:43 PM »

  I received the following email in printed form and liked it so well that I typed it up today so I could send it to all I wished to.  I added some of my own thoughts at the end also.  I hope you enjoy it.  Feel free to pass it around, with or without my comments at the end.
 
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Science vs. God

 

An atheist science professor announced to his class:

‘Let me explain the problem science has with religion.’

 

‘You’re a Christian aren’t you son?’

‘Yes sir the student says.’

 

‘So you believe in God?’

‘Absolutely.’

 

‘Is God good?’

‘Sure! God’s good.’

 

‘Is God all-powerful?  Can God do anything?’

‘Yes.’

 

‘Are you good or evil?’

 

The professor grins knowingly.  Aha!  The Bible!  He considers for a moment.  ‘Here’s one for you.  Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can cure him.  You can do it.  Would you help him?  Would you try?

 

‘Yes, sir, I would.’

 

‘So you’re good.’

‘I wouldn’t say that.’

 

‘But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could.  Most of us would if we could.  But God doesn’t.’

 

  The student doesn’t answer, so the professor continues.  ‘He doesn’t, does he?  My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him.  How is this Jesus good?  Can you answer that one?

 

  The student remains silent. ‘No you can’t, can you?  The professor says.  He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax. ‘Lets start again, young fella.  Is God good?’

 

‘Er..Yes, the student says.’

 

‘Is satan good?’

The student doesn’t hesitate on this one. ‘No.’

 

‘Then where does Satan come from?’

The student falters.  ‘From God.’

 

‘That’s right.  God made Satan, didn’t he?  Tell me, son.  Is there evil in this world?’

‘Yes, sir.”

 

‘Evil’s everywhere, isn’t it?  And God did make everything, correct?’

‘Yes.’

 

  ‘So who created evil?’  The professor continued,  ‘If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.’

 

  Again the student has no answer. ‘Is there sickness?  Immorality?  Hatred? Ugliness?  All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?’

 

  The student squirms on his feet.  ‘Yes.’

 

‘So who created them?’

 

  The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question.  ‘Who created them?’  There is still no answer.  Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom.  The class is mesmerized.  ‘Tell me,’ he continues on to another student. ‘Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?’

 

  The student’s voice betrays him and cracks.  ‘Yes, professor, I do.’

 

  The old man stops pacing.  ‘Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you.  Have you ever seen Jesus?’

  ‘No, sir,  I’ve never seen Him.’

 

‘Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?’

 ‘No, sir, I have not.’

 

‘Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus, or smelt your Jesus?’  Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?’

 ‘ No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.’

 

 ‘Yet you still believe in him?’

‘Yes.’

 

‘According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist.  What do you say to that, son?’

‘Nothing,’ the student replies, ‘I only have my faith.’

 

  ‘Yes faith,’ the professor repeats.  ‘And that is the problem science has with God.  There is no evidence, only faith.’

 

  The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own. ‘Professor, is there such a thing as heat?’

‘Yes.’

 

  ‘And is there such a ting as cold?’

‘Yes, son, there is cold too.’

 

‘No sir, there isn’t.’

 

  The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested.  The room suddenly becomes very quiet.  The student begins to explain.  ‘You can have lots of heat, even more heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat, or no neat, but we don’t have anything called ‘cold’.  We can hit down to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any farther after that.  There is no such thing; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest – 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any farther after that.  Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.  Absolute zero, 458 F, is the total absence of heat.  You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat.  We cannot measure cold.  Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy.  Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.’

 

  Silence across the room.

 

 

‘Yes the professor replies without hesitation.  ‘What is night if it isn’t darkness?’

 

  ‘You’re wrong again, sir.  Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something.  You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it?  That’s the meaning we use to define the word.   In reality, darkness isn’t,  If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?’

 

  The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him.  ‘So what point are you making, young man?’

 

  ‘Yes, professor, my point is, your philosophical premis is flawed to start with, and your conclusion must also be flawed.’

 

  The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time.  ‘Flawed?  Can you explain how?’

 

  ‘You are working on the premise of duality,’ the student explains, ‘You argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God.  You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure.  Sir, science can’t even explain a thought.’  ‘It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.  To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.  Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.’  ‘Now tell me, professor.  Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?’

 

  ‘If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of coarse I do.’

 

  ‘Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?’

 

  The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going.

 

  ‘Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir?  Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?’

 

  The class is in uproar.  The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.  ‘To continue the pint you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.’  The student looks around the room.  ‘Is there anyone in the class who has ever sent he professors brain?’  The class breaks out into laughter.  ‘Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the professor’s brain, touched or smelt the professor’s brain?  No on appears to have done so.  So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, sciences says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.’  ‘So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?’

 

  Now the room is silent.  The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.    Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. ‘I guess you’ll have to take them by faith.’

 

  ‘Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,’ the student continues.  ‘Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?’  Now uncertain, the professor responds, ‘Of coarse, there is.  We see it every day.  It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man.  It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.  These manifestations are nothing else but evil.’

 

  To this the student replied.  ‘Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself.  Evil is simply the absence of God.  It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.  God did not create evil.  Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart.  It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.’

 

  The professor sat down.

 

The student was Albert Einstein.

 

Albert Einstein wrote a book titled God vs. Science in 1921.

 

 

  By Veral Smith.  1/31/2010

  Since the above time, science has become the most prevalent religion in the US, even dominating the thoughts of people who call themselves Christians, and how they believe what they read in the Bible.  But consider how Webster defines science!

  ‘Science is the study of tangible things.’ --  So it is bared by it’s own definition from study of spiritual matters, and even in fact life itself, ALL life, in every thing, is an intangible spirit of life sent out by God, and the Bible tells us that it returns to him when a person dies.  (It says the spirit of animals go down, that of humans up, and doesn’t mention the spirit of life given to plants.

  Total ignorance, if not denial, of this fact has led science into its test tube mentality, with something around 40,000 scientists having dedicated their life to the study of life, with a belief that they will someday create life!  They never will, as all life comes from our Creator God. --  A mix of minerals and water cannot be turned into a man, or any other kind of life. Only a spirit of life from God, which is and will be held accountable to God, can make a life, and form a plant or being from minerals and water.  When this spirit leaves the body it has formed and maintained, we call the body dead, which it is, and it will remain forever without supernatural input of it’s spirit again.  Yet, if another person who is yet alive, truly believes in the Almighty Creator, and asks for him to return his spirit of life, He will sometimes do it and the dead body will resume life.  Christ did it when he walked the earth in human form,  and instructed his followers to do it, and heal the sick, and I have personally witnessed both.   ---  This is not scientific though.  You have to believe I’m telling you the truth, and in the supernatural nature and power of God, by faith.

  Jesus said, if we truly believe in Him, and totally forsake our life to do his will, that He will ‘manifest’ himself, (his presence), to us.  He can only manifest himself to us by making us feel his presence, or speaking to us (in countless ways), or seeing, (in special dreams and visions)!  So, in fact, if science were to quit denying the Almighty Creator God and his Son Jesus Christ, and admit what Christians say, that they feel the presence of Christ, science would be allowed, by it’s own definition, to study spiritual matters, which are truly the source of all that science considers real.

 
  If you have relied on science to prove whether God exists, perhaps it’s time to change your thinking until the majority of scientists accept an Almighty God as their own creator.  The true test of whether there is a God is to receive the ‘manifestation’ of his presence within your own spirit of life.  It’s a personal thing, not group, church, nation, or, until science changes, a scientific matter.
Veral Smith

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2010, 11:50:44 PM »
Dear Veral;

     A sincere Thank You for the powerful testimony. I have a great interest in science as the study of God's work. Validation of God's involvement in our world is obvious if we can remove the blinders. We are counciled by Scripture not to rely on our own knowledge as a basis for faith. Saint Augustine tells us if the corporal world does not seem to coincide with scripture, your understanding of scripture is incorrect. Once you recognize Our Father as Creator, the bits and pieces of knowledge that are revealed to us may be quite useful. My Faith is reality, The vain protestations of heathens as they muddle their way to damnation don't distract me.

     Your Brother in Jesus Christ
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2010, 09:33:01 AM »
To that I can only add, AMEN!

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2010, 11:31:14 AM »
While this is a very interesting story/arguement, it was not stated by Albert.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

He was also rumored to have played a guest appearance on Gunsmoke!
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2010, 09:38:47 AM »
Whether Albert Einstein or any other person, the passages leads one to think rationally in an irrational world.

I have seen God through his works.  I have heard God from within.  I have felt God spiritually and physically.  I have not tasted God, but I have tasted food he provided thru his works.  I have not smelled God, but I have smelled what he created.

We learn from experiencing what we can see, hear, feel, taste, and smell.  I did not see John Kennedy but I have concrete proof that he lived and died.  I have not seen Jesus Christ, but I have even more concrete proof that he lived and died. 

For by grace you have been saved thru faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.  Eph 2:8-9.

I have more faith that God is alive than I have faith that my typing on this keyboard can be read on someone elses computer.

Have a good forever!

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2010, 10:26:05 AM »
Whether Albert Einstein or any other person, the passages leads one to think rationally in an irrational world.

I have seen God through his works.  I have heard God from within.  I have felt God spiritually and physically.  I have not tasted God, but I have tasted food he provided thru his works.  I have not smelled God, but I have smelled what he created.

We learn from experiencing what we can see, hear, feel, taste, and smell.  I did not see John Kennedy but I have concrete proof that he lived and died.  I have not seen Jesus Christ, but I have even more concrete proof that he lived and died. 

For by grace you have been saved thru faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.  Eph 2:8-9.

I have more faith that God is alive than I have faith that my typing on this keyboard can be read on someone elses computer.

Have a good forever!

Steve :)

My sentiments, exactly, doesn't really matter who said it, I believe it. That's what matters.

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2010, 01:00:50 PM »

I have more faith that God is alive than I have faith that my typing on this keyboard can be read on someone elses computer.

Well no offense, but that is a completely irrational statement.  I have a strong faith in the creator, but also believe that he gave us a mind to question things and not just have blind faith.  To state that you have more faith in something unseen compared to something right in front of your face is to say the least, odd.
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2010, 05:31:12 PM »
  Interesting comments, guys.  I was too dumb to even question whether Einstein did the talking claimed for him, as one should with anything he sees or reads that isn't documented or has an honest person who takes responsibility for the writing.  Guess I just loved the way the argument went, and soundness of it.
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2010, 09:32:33 PM »
Veral again +1

I can see what I write on "my" screen. I have no idea if you can see it on "your" screen. My Faith is in God, not this Internet. Just how I see it.

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2010, 11:08:28 PM »
Very good Post Veral! If Einstein didn't say it he should have.

My favorite part.

 
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If you have relied on science to prove whether God exists, perhaps it’s time to change your thinking until the majority of scientists accept an Almighty God as their own creator.  The true test of whether there is a God is to receive the ‘manifestation’ of his presence within your own spirit of life.  It’s a personal thing, not group, church, nation, or, until science changes, a scientific matter.


I dont think I gotta ask snopes who said that.

Thanks for the post and the words of wisdom!
 
 
 
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2010, 06:03:34 AM »
The Scriptures admonish us to have the "faith of a mustard seed". Sounds like "blind faith" to me.

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2010, 04:02:30 PM »
Proaound statements, gentlemen, profound.  Statements like these cut throught  the denominations, the creeds, the dogmas that seperate us and get to the heart of the thing.  What did God tell Moses? "I am that I am.  Tell them I Am has sent you" The more that you read and study, the more obvious it becomes that the problem is God not dwelling with us.  When he sent Jesus to die on the Cross, It was to restore our fellowship with him.He is there, listening, waiting for each of us to reach out and take the tiny feeble step required, which is to call Jesus "LOrd". Sums it up pretty well, huh? 

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2010, 04:14:15 PM »
Good job!


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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2010, 03:16:13 AM »
THE SCIENTIST AND GOD.

The Scientist tells God: We don't need you any more God, we have learned to create life JUST LIKE YOU CAN!

God says: REALLY? Show me!

The Scientist arrogantly reaches down and scoops up a hand full of dirt, and.......

God says: Ah, Ah, Ah! Use your own dirt!


Nuff Said! ;)
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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2010, 01:23:25 PM »
Good one, Dee!!!


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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2010, 02:47:35 AM »
God made everything... including science. ;)



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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2010, 07:20:49 PM »
Why does everyone say "god", which is a generic term. The Bible says his name is Jehovah, or Yaweh, 
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2010, 08:23:38 PM »
god in lower case is a generic term. yes.

God with an upper case G is a name, not a term. It is His name, along with many others, including Jehovah, Yaweh, etc. That's in the Bible, also.

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2010, 06:53:55 AM »
god in lower case is a generic term. yes.

God with an upper case G is a name, not a term. It is His name, along with many others, including Jehovah, Yaweh, etc. That's in the Bible, also.

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You are correct Sweetwater. He is also the First, and the Last, the Alpha, and the Omega, and the Beginning and the End, and He is the Lamb, and also HE'S "The Lily of the Valley". One can get lost in the little legalisms if they are not careful, can they not? The Sadducees and the Pharisees, the Sanhedrin, were quite lost legalistic. Woe unto ye lawyers.
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2011, 06:30:17 AM »
I thought I would share a piece that, while addressing a different question, does deal very strongly with the connection between science and The Almighty.  I know this thread is old, but enjoy nonetheless!
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Why does God matter?
For the believer, God matters because His existence ultimately answers the often discussed questions of meaning:  Why?  Why are we here?  What is the purpose of my life?  We can begin to examine these existential questions by observing that which reveals his mind, His Creation.
Ongoing scientific study reveals that in things both large and small, it is increasingly apparent that matter is organized in a definite pattern that virtually precludes the possibility that it came into being by random chance and confluence of variables.  Thus, evidence points to a deliberate will behind the structure of matter.  On the larger level, astronomers and physicists agree that the universe is expanding, getting larger, through time.  If it is getting larger, then at times in the past it must have been smaller.   As such, at some point in remote history, before it began to expand it must have been as small as possible.  If the universe had to begin to expand, i.e. had a beginning, who started it?  And, if it had a beginning then there must have been a time before it existed.  If the universe at one time did not exist, and now exists; someone had to create it.  Who or what existed before the beginning of time, before the beginning of anything at all?  Who decided that the concept we call ‘time’ should begin at all?  Our Eternal God.
At the imperceptibly small, subatomic level; we used to focus on protons, neutrons, and electrons.  Now we know of the existence of smaller particles and even smaller ‘strong nuclear forces’ that exist between them.  Some of these relatively unidentified particles are so elusive (to us human beings, anyway) that we can only detect their presence by their effects on the things we can ‘see’, but we cannot ‘see’ directly.  This minute yet highly intricate level of organization makes it increasingly unlikely that there is no deliberate will behind their construction.  This deliberate will, the Creator of the Universe, is God.
Therefore, the thoughtful question is: if the universe is indeed a deliberate Creation, why did the mastermind behind it bother to create it at all?  Why indeed!   God: The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was complete and perfect in and of Himself, without any part of Creation at all.  God had no need whatsoever for anything to complete Himself.  The reason he authored all Creation, then, is simply yet profoundly because He wanted to.  He desired it.  In other words, He loved it.  “God loved the world so much…” we read in John 3:16.  God loves His creation because it was only from His infinite love that He made it.  God made the world to return love to Himself. 
So, “why are we here?” “What is the purpose of my life?”  Out of love alone, God made you and everyone and everything around you.  God made you because He loves you, and He wants you to love Him. That is why God matters.
 
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #20 on: July 23, 2011, 06:50:00 AM »
very good.
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2011, 12:09:09 PM »
Actually much of the scientific knowlege we utilize is based on theory.... theory is not fact....Theory is a combination of fact and logical assumption or FAITH. Without FAITH much of science is also meaningless.
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #22 on: July 26, 2011, 12:35:57 PM »
Einstein did say the more he studied and learned, the more he knew God existed and created everything.  He said everything was too orderly to have been randomly evolved. 

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2011, 05:56:49 PM »
Well, even scientists like myself (admittedly a scientist who is a Christian) will admit that science is based upon the premise that the senses do not deceive.
 
that is, that the data we gather and observe is accurately percieved by our faculties.
 
But science also knows that we do NOT perceive reality in absolute terms.  For example, we hear sounds of increasing intensity as softer than they are due to th muffling effects of our ear structure.  Most shooters know that 4 decibels is not twice as intense as 2 dB, but rather several times more powerful.  It takes machines to accurately measure lots of things, which is why calibrationa dn reassessment are replete in the sciences.  So even scientists take what we know on faith, ultimately.
 
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2011, 10:31:27 PM »
  Way up at the beginning of this thread I stated that Christ promised to 'wittness' his presense in us when we bow to him as our master.  I'm going to expound on that a bit more now, and there is no better time in history than to understand and test what I am stating.  All of us know that we have some super rough sledding directly ahead of us if things don't change drastically on the political front, and do it QUICK!

  Understand up front that of all the gods of all the religions in the world, Christ is the only God which promised to wittness himself to those who chose to follow him, and he promised it till the end of the world.  (Note my use of caps and low case on the god word above.)

  But Christ is called Master over and over throughout the Bible, and that is what we MUST make him, in our one lives, on a strickly personal basis, to really receive the full benifit of his promises.  The promise that  we can ask the Father what we will, in his (Christs) name, and he will give it, that the father might be glorified, is the most dramatic proof, evidence and reason to call Him the God of gods, King of kings.

  What I'm telling all you believers to do here is, every day, and with every problem you encounter, ask Jesus Christ, that spirit that you feel in you, to guide you, direct your thoughts and actions,   AND WORDS!    In a matter of time, you will be amazed at what he does for you and through you, espeically when you are trying to help others through injury, trouble and sickness.  Christ told us to heal the sick, cast out devils and raise the dead.    You will be used for any and all of these if you make yourself his servant, understanding your role, and his role as Master, unto whom is given all power in heaven and earth.        ----    Try to get the picture of what Christ promised solidly in your mind.  You are not given power.  He has it all and shares none of it with any man, because he cannot trust men with supernatural power.  But he wants us to act for Him, so He can work through us.                Don't make it difficult or try to understand too much.  Just submit to Him, and in His supernatural way, with his supernatural power, He will begin to make supernatural things happen in your life.                       

  He has done it in mine and He is NOT a respector of persons.
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2011, 02:49:47 AM »

I have more faith that God is alive than I have faith that my typing on this keyboard can be read on someone elses computer.

Well no offense, but that is a completely irrational statement.  I have a strong faith in the creator, but also believe that he gave us a mind to question things and not just have blind faith.  To state that you have more faith in something unseen compared to something right in front of your face is to say the least, odd.

Really I think God allowed questions after Eve and the snake deal. We had it made , we wanted knowlege and the rest really is history , history of the world. We know of God so how could it be blind ? Believing in God which you don't see but feel in your heart is not odd to christians . Odd is seeing and not believing.  ;)
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2011, 12:10:09 PM »
2nd Corinthians Chapter 13, verse 5. EXAMINE YOURSELVES, whether ye be in the faith: PROVE YOUR OWN SELVES. Know ye not your own selves how that Jesus Christ IS IN YOU except ye be reprobates[/font][/size].
 
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2011, 07:27:00 PM »
  Good questions to ask, but never forget that with the Spirit of Christ within us, we have 'all power in heaven and earth'  available to us.    Christ said, ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE.  So ask for wisdom, understanding and guidence, but above all, when things get tougher than we humans can handle, mentally or physically, ask for Him to take control of the situation and your body (actions).  This is what He wants of us, and His way of continuing HIS work on earth.  By working through His people.           When one is completely yielded to his control he will find himself saying and doing things he wouldn't think of or consider doing, and know he is doing the right thing while doing it.  The results of living in this realm will stun a person as he looks back on how bad situations were remedied by supernatural force.        That is how I've had the dead raised, serious injuries of others healed, and in one instance, a VERY serious threat of bodily harm, (to good ol me) thwarted within minutes with me doing nothing but asking for Him to take control.   The two people who were thwarted never new why they were aprehended by cops with no warning, or request by me!         
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2011, 07:26:55 PM »
When we left Wyoming in 2002, we went to San Diego. It was the dead last place I wanted to go, but we both felt God calling us there. We went happy to serve HIM. I got a good job there and we had a good life. We were near my parents and they were super happy! After 2.5 years, I felt God calling me away, but with no direction to go. We did much praying and finally we got an answer. "You have done my will faithfully. You may have the desire of your heart. Go where you may want, your work here is finished. There will be work where you go."  My job was a victim of reduction in force and I was never replaced. The company was subsequently sold.  We had a desire to go to Sandpoint, Idaho for various reasons. I landed a good job Day#1. Shortly after we arrived, we began to see "why" we were there. There was much work for us in the community, God's Work. Spreading the Gospel. My wife and I revived our music ministry that had been dorment for several years, and went to work. 5 later, my employment fell victim to the times, but our "work" continued. Another 13 months of unemployment and God used an unlikely messenger (my ex-wife) to let me know of a good job "back home" in Green River, Wy. Our work in Sandpoint was done, and we could see the fruits of our labor and that it was time to move on, though we had decided to live out our lives in Sandpoint. Now, we have been back in Green River, Wy for over 9 months, have a new home (which we couldn't get in Sandpoint!) and the job is going well. Our family is back together and our grandkids are our new mission field in addition to our music ministry. Faith in God has made our life an adventure of gigantic proportions.
 
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2011, 05:03:02 PM »
The student said he was Christian. I thought that Albert was a Jew? So I don't know if it was him or not that the professor was talking to.
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