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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2011, 08:58:49 AM »
To give credit where credit is due is a good thing. Sometimes who made the statement is not as important as what was said or written. In this case regardless of who the players were, or if it was just a well written story, the message it conveys is the important thing. Thank you Sir for taking the time to post and share. The spirit behind it touches the heart. It makes one take time to reconsider the importance we place on things and our beliefs. It is far too easy to let things take first place at the cost of our fellowship with Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.

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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2011, 03:11:38 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2011, 10:13:43 PM »
  I read a very interesting bit if information a few days ago. 

  According to Webster, a Jew is a person who's religion is Judism, and who's 'holy book' is the talmud.  Their god is Satan.  The communist manefesto is copied verbaton from the Talmud. --  Jesus said a few days prior to his crucification that the 'jews' would be trying to get him if he went to Jeruslem openly.

  An Isrealite or seed of Jacob is a different critter in that they believe in the almighty creator god and Jesus Christ.
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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2011, 04:56:22 PM »
Many scientists are Christian, they just have to keep quite about it or their "open minded" fellows would drive them out.  Meaning they  would also drive out such men as Isaac Newton, perhaps the greatest scientific mind that ever lived, who was also a devout believer.  And yeah, there are others but listing them would make no difference to deniers and I'm ready for bed.
 
Good night and may God bless you all! 
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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2011, 05:50:36 PM »
Why does everyone say "god", which is a generic term. The Bible says his name is Jehovah, or Yaweh,
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  Tough to pick but God has many names  Yes Jehovah (with reservations) and Yaweh.. But he is also called "the great I AM'",
  the Prince of Peace, "the Lion of the Tribe of Judah"..
      An interesting name for Him is "Elohim".. ( e.g. Gen 3:8)..which indicates plurality, thus explaining (Gen 1:26) where God exclaimed " Let US make man in OUR image".
  In (Matt 1:23)  THe Christ child is referred to as Immanuel, being interpreted meaning "God with us".... embracing the triune Godhead.
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« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2011, 03:48:47 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking
 
Here is a scientist with an interesting view. He claims that the universe is so vasst and complex that one man could have NEVER created it all. Science has been and always will be. Another analogy that's been made is the Human DNA strand is such that the chance of it happening ramdomly from any microbial life that earth has ever seen, is like a tornado crossing a junk yard and making a Jumbo jet. So what part of the universe did the human DNA strand come from?
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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2011, 09:26:20 PM »
  Thank you Redneck,
 
  Christ is our only source of perfect peace and supernatural power to carry us through any hard times.

  I made this post for the very reason you have stated.  --  You see, I lived for almost 60 years without really knowing God, and lived a happy and contented life.  But real trouble brought me down to call on Him as a  last hope, and He stepped in for me when I turned my life over to him, permanently.    I find life to be FAR more peaceful, and worth living when serving Him, as all who try it will learn.  The simple reason is that God created men to enjoy life, but to enjoy life by far the most if they turn it over to him, no strings attached, and serve Him.  That is what he made us for, and he made us to be happiest when we do what he made us for.     Doesn't take a rocket scientest to figgure that out if one thinks on it a bit!
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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2011, 07:03:23 AM »
So there is a difference between "god" and "God"?
 
That is strange. In the original text there were no capital letters, or sentences, or paragraphs or even vowels. How do we know for sure what was meant, "god" or "God"?

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« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2011, 06:03:06 PM »
  Good point.  The concept of capitol God  and small god, is to define things which people make their god other than the Almighty Creator God described in the Bible.  The Bible simply defines which type of god it is talking about, but we Americans streamline our writing this way.

  i.e  If my god is sex, you might hate and hunt me for chasing your wife, or if it is money, I would take advantage of you at  every turn in any business dealing.  If my God, is the Almighty Creator, he forbids me treating anyone the way other gods allow or even promote.     I'm talking REAL stuff here, in the spirit realm, our god of choice has control, he IS our MASTER!   Why to I say he when I speak of money or sex as being a god?  Because the 'god' part is the evil spirit which we give ourselves too.   Jesus said it simply.  "No man can serve two masters."
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« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2011, 11:08:52 AM »
"That is strange. In the original text there were no capital letters, or sentences, or paragraphs or even vowels. How do we know for sure what was meant, "god" or "God"?"
 
You are correct so far as the old Hebrew (and, to some degree, ditto for Aramaic, Greek and Babylonian) is concerned but it's meaningless in application.   In English we think/speak in sentences and paragraphs; we use periods and question marks for convience and capitatilization for beginning sentences and proper nouns.  A translation has to be done that way or it wouldn't be readable nor could the message be clear!   Part of any translator's problem is determining how modern vowel sounds, capitalization, grammer and speech format should properly be introduced to produce a valid English version of the message.  That's why such 'translation' efforts are called versions rather than simple translations (including the KJV), which would otherwise be nearly impossible for us to read and comprehend.  In fact, few of us could make any sense at all out of an original 1611 KJV, that's why it's been revised so many times.
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2011, 04:31:05 PM »
Veral:
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An Isrealite or seed of Jacob is a different critter in that they believe in the almighty creator god and Jesus Christ.
Never forget it has been Christian doctrine for centuries that the Christian "on earth as it is in heaven" is the Israel.  There is nothing in the Christian teaching that says the existing State of Israel we know today is the Israel that Jesus spoke of.  The existing land consists of nothing more than religious and atheistic Jews.  It is a crime there to even preach the Bible.  Hardly the 'Israel' Jesus could have been referring to.  If you ask Jews in Israel, they don't want to have anything to do with Jesus. 

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« Reply #41 on: November 26, 2011, 05:07:24 PM »
  To get the shoes on the right feet, look at Websters defination of Jew. -- A person who's holy book is the Talmud.     The talmud is a set of books which takes up 12 feet of shelf space, and one thing that damns it in my opinion is the fact that the communist manifesto is taken from it verbaton, down to the exact punctuation.   They say that they are the seed of Edom, who is  the seed of Abraham, same as Israel, and  the Arabian/muslim world.  So, we have three peoples, or religions who all say their father is Abraham.   Christ was of the lineage of Israel. 

  I read a verse the other day which flipped my eyes open.  Jesus was talking to a bunch of Jews who believed in him, and told them that he would set them free.  Their answer was.  How can you set us free.  We have never been in bondage to any man!    Istael was in bondage for 400 years in Egypt, and was at that very time in bondage to Rome, but the Jews, the talmud believers, were NOT!
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2011, 05:18:21 AM »
"The talmud is a set of books which takes up 12 feet of shelf space, and one thing that damns it in my opinion is the fact that the communist manifesto is taken from it verbaton, down to the exact punctuation."
 
Come on Veral, I've read Marx's "Communist Manifesto".  It isn't very large so it couldn't possibly have been quoted from a 12 ft. shelf of Talmud books. 
 
Marx made no references to anything the Jewish rules of faith would have been interested in and Marx was wrong about what drives self-seeking men such as Geo. Soros; it's not money, as such, it's the political power that rises from money.  The weakness of Communism is that if we take away the money and give the bureaucracats more perks and power then the power hungry simply go directly into government; that thirst for power is why so many rich men leave business and run for political office.
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« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2011, 07:08:18 PM »
  You are right, the 10 planks of the communist manifesto is not the whole talmud, nor is the sermon on the mount the whole bible.   Also of interest is that there is a goyum version of the talmud which you can by in book stores etc.     ---  The death penalty is prescribed for any goyum who has a full talmud.  By the way, I've never seen any small or long version of the talmud.  I've only read what I told, and believe it.  I believe it because I've read so much about jew activity from books written many years ago up to current.   What I've read is what makes me willing to pin the tail on the donkey as I have.

  What I've just written makes me a terroist by current US government standards, and homeland security only has to make the claim to make it stick.  But so what, I've been one all my life if  speaking out against corruption makes me a terrorist.   Hope you are up on the recent leglislation which supposedly makes it legal for the government to imprison anyone indefinately, without charges, trial or anything if they are considered a terrorist.

  The point I'm trying to make here is.  Please don't try to soften up anything anybody says about the driving force behind what this nations leaders are doing and where they are leading us.  I'm certainly more radical than 99% of my readers, but having my wife detained for almost three months without trial, while I was in jail on trumped up tax charges, then released the day my phoney trial started, has made me radical.  The almost 5 years in prison to shut down my knowledge from going out made me more radical.   And the robbery of this nations jobs, finances and freedoms has taken me over the hill in that direction. 
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« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2011, 10:05:41 AM »
The ancient Hebrews we a polytheistic, not monotheistic, people. They believed in many gods and continued to worship them up through the time of Christ. Archaeologists have excavated thousands of private dwellings in the Holy Land and without exception they all contained effigies of multiple ancient gods. People hedged their bets. Even the Muslims got at least that part right. The first line of the Koran begins "There is no god but God".
The truth of the message of Jesus Christ is not dependent on Jewish tradition, or doctrine, or practice. Christ's message stands alone on his message of the new covenant.
It  is a shame that so many people have so little faith in Christ and his message that they find it necessary to justify it by appending it to the practices and traditions of the Hebrews. Jesus himself despaired over the fact that people continued to turn to the teachings of Moses while ignoring his own message. They knew Moses but they knew not Jesus.
 

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #45 on: December 30, 2011, 05:46:52 PM »
The ancient Hebrews we a polytheistic, not monotheistic, people. They believed in many gods and continued to worship them up through the time of Christ.

I disagree with this part of your statement.  The ancient Hebrews were a called out (Abram/Abraham was a polytheistic idol worshiper until called by God) monotheistic people that surely were influenced by the polytheistic cultures around them.  Sadly they did from time to time turn from serving the Lord to other gods.

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2012, 04:08:57 AM »
To set the record straight, this is a total fabrication. Not only was Einstein not a Christian, he did not believe in a personal God, and was agnostic. This is some of what he what he had to say on the topic:
 “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
 He also stated: "The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naive."
 And this: "I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
He stated: "I am a deeply religious nonbeliever" and "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic."
 His skepticism did not waiver as he matured, as is popularly believed.
All of these quotes from Albert Einstein can be easily verified by looking them up.
 


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« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2012, 07:28:08 AM »
Einstein's "Religion and Science" is on Amazon, though only currently available on Kindle, as are a number of his other books and essays.  http://www.amazon.com/Religion-and-Science-ebook/dp/B0047Y0FVE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1332090963&sr=8-2  I think I'll load some of his stuff on my Kindle including that one.  Rather than get bogged down in trying to validate any speciffic qwuotes I'll just read what he had to say.  He was certainly a bright guy and probably more worth reading that many.
 
  You can probably get paper copies of his work through a library, for those without the electronic readers.

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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2012, 10:03:45 AM »
   I have heard Einstein stories which are partial both ways. It makes no difference whether Einstein was a believer or not...
 God rarely uses the exceptional people..He doesn't NEED them..
  " But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty" (1 COR 1:27)
  If they were already 'mighty' then scorners could say anything they accomplish is was a man-done feat.  When he uses a simple, humble person..Gideon, Moses, Abraham, James, John, Peter or the woman about to be stoned..the miracles cannot so easily be denied.  That is exactly why He did not choose a palace for the birthplace of His only son..but rather birthed him in a feeding trough in a barn.
   A young lad asked me the other day in church.. " I tried to share Jesus with my uncle Joe; but he just laughed and said the "Jesus stuff" is foolish.."
  I replied.. "Jimie; many years ago when I was walking near school, I said to a friend..
    Do you see those two sports cars; do you like the green one or the red one best?  He immediately asked..which one is the red one?  You see, I didn't know he was color-blind, i didn't rtealize there were things I could see; but he couldn't..
  That's the way some folks are..they are..'God-blind'... but don't give up, there's a chance that your uncle wasn't always 'God-blind'..and he  may just regain his vision someday.

     The moral of the story.. Be kind to the blind..
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« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2012, 05:04:15 AM »
There was a show on WRVA radio last week . It was about a group that do not believe in God but do try to support education and science. I don't make this up , every question the interviewer ask she couldn't think of the words to use. Her reply sounded as if she had no idea what she was saying , even she noted she was having a hard time getting her ansewers out. She sounded foolish . I wonder if it was dievine intervention ?  ;)
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« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2012, 05:33:28 AM »
THE SCIENTIST AND GOD.

The Scientist tells God: We don't need you any more God, we have learned to create life JUST LIKE YOU CAN!

God says: REALLY? Show me!

The Scientist arrogantly reaches down and scoops up a hand full of dirt, and.......

God says: Ah, Ah, Ah! Use your own dirt!


Nuff Said! ;)

Very good , made me smile.

Science and Religion need not be conflicting.
There are those that just try and pit them against each other for their own benefit and hidden agenda's. 
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« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2012, 05:35:24 AM »
THE SCIENTIST AND GOD.

The Scientist tells God: We don't need you any more God, we have learned to create life JUST LIKE YOU CAN!

God says: REALLY? Show me!


The Scientist arrogantly reaches down and scoops up a hand full of dirt, and.......

God says: Ah, Ah, Ah! Use your own dirt!

Nuff Said! ;)

Very good , made me smile.

Science and Religion need not be conflicting.
There are those that just try and pit them against each other for their own benefit and hidden agenda's.

 
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« Reply #52 on: March 19, 2012, 05:53:21 AM »
I do not feel obliged to believe that same God who endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect had intended for us to forgo their use.
- Galileo

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the Sun has risen, not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.
- C.S. Lewis

A heathen philosopher once asked a Christian, 'Where is God'?  The Christian answered, 'Let me first ask you, Where is He not?'
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The atheist can appeal to nothing absolute, nothing objectively true for all people, it is just mere opinion enforced by might. The Christian appeals to a standard outside himself/herself in which truth and qualitative values can be made sense of.
 - Peter Huff

Some people complain because God puts thorns on roses, while others praise God for putting roses among thorns.
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Re: Science vs. God
« Reply #53 on: March 19, 2012, 06:08:53 AM »
Scoot writes;
 
" Some people complain because God puts thorns on roses, while others praise God for putting roses among thorns"
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  Thanks Scoot, I like that one and may use it in preaching..can you give me a reference to use ?
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« Reply #54 on: March 19, 2012, 06:13:06 AM »
  We werer warned about this kind of wrangling..2,000 years ago..
 
   " Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called" (1 Tim 6:20)
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« Reply #55 on: March 19, 2012, 06:14:37 AM »
In discussing Heisenburg's Uncertainty Principle, Boer discribed the principle as being similar to rolling dice...you never know what you are going to get.
 
Einstein replied that God does not play with dice...to which Boer responded, who are you to tell God what he can do with his dice.
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« Reply #56 on: March 30, 2012, 07:39:43 PM »
  This has become a length  debate, which it was not intended to be when I made the original post.

  I made it because I liked the context and not because of who said it, nor does it matter to me if anyone was ever smart enough to say all those things in one setting, or if it was carefully put togetheer by a writer with good imagination, and a true belief in God.

  In my 71 orbits of the sun I've learned there are two things which make a man a believer in an Almighty God Creator.   1.  Live in the wild and lonesome outdoors by yourself for a few years.  -  (Anyone could get to wondering if forced to live continually in a big city.)
 2. (The most convincing, so much so that no man can turn your mind.)  Get yourself in a REAL tight that no man can help you with, especially your own self.  Ask that Almighty God for help, and get it.

  I've done it so many times, and got the help, that I truely feel sorry for those who struggle with believing or insist on not believing.
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« Reply #57 on: April 03, 2012, 04:14:45 AM »
Mr. Smith--That was at least an awesome reading. Many answers to someone seeking the truth. AND yes it is still being read. Thank You.


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« Reply #58 on: April 03, 2012, 05:28:43 AM »
Mr. Smith--That was at least an awesome reading. Many answers to someone seeking the truth. AND yes it is still being read. Thank You.

 
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« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2012, 06:21:59 AM »
I don't see true science and religion in conflict at all.  I see agendas backed by pseudoscience.  For instance, there is really more evidence to prove creation than evolution, even in plain old granite rock.  Several years ago, an agnostic University of Tennessee geologist heated up granite rock and then tried to put all the ingredients back together into granite in a lab.  He never could.  He found that granite contains 5% uranium.  This is one of the ingrediants that make it so hard.  However it isn't bonded chemically to any other material in the rock.  He said that the uranium in granite is like the bubbles in Alka-seltzer, while still bubbling, frozen in place.  Uranium is spread evenly throughout granite rock.  Once melted, can't be remade in any way, chemically, heat, or freezing.  He became a Christian, because he said granite had to be created instantly.  He was and is ridiculed by evolutionist scientists.  There are no animals evolving.  Nothing is spiraling upward, but is downward.  Animals are becoming extinct, but no new ones are evolving.  Planets, stars, etc, are being destroyed, but no new ones are being created in their place.  Evolution goes against one on the laws of thermodynamics, which states all things deteriorate over time, and do not rebuild themselves.  A house or building left alone will crumble over time.  Only living things recreate themselves.  If the living evolved from the non living, then it is not possible, because the non living deteriorates, not recreates.