Ahmadinijad..

[ironglow]

  Imadinnerjacket promises "telling blow" to major nations..what will it be ?

   
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2654177/iran_promises_to_deliver_telling_blow.html
   

[Redtail1949]

with a man like that there is no telling. however, obama and the world better not laugh him off cause you just do not know what he will do. i bet isreal is watching him very closely.

in a way i wish he would do something that would spark a big time retaliation so we could get it over with once and for all. (at least with him we know another will come along later) if nothing happens we have years of bull coming from him if isreal does not take him out here soon. remember arrafat and his 30 years of terror and saddam and his decades of bull i do and we all would be better off to take that idiot out now.

[rio grande]

Maybe he has "aluminum tubes".

"But Washington was supposedly filled with people who knew those aluminum tubes had nothing to do with nuclear proliferation. One of them was Greg Thielmann. He was retiring as the head of the State Department’s Office of Strategic Proliferation and Military Affairs. According to Thielmann, “The most knowledgeable people in the U.S. government believed that this was not the kind of aluminum that the Iraqis would have been seeking to use in centrifuges for uranium enrichment.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-moore/judy-and-the-litt_b_5117.html

Or..."yellowcake uranium" from Niger....
"White House press secretary Ari Fleischer into a rhetorical dance that can only be called Clintonesque: conceding on the one hand that the claim made by the President was based on forged evidence that Iraq had tried to buy "yellow cake" refined uranium from Niger..."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/columnist/karon/article/0,9565,463779,00.html#ixzz0eLvQB51n


When will the Israelis open their nuclear bomb facilities to International inspection? When will Israel sign the Nuclear non-Proliferation treaty, as Iran did?

This all sounds like a run-up to another war based on lies and deception.

[ironglow]

Rio Grande;
      Really..you should get your facts straight...
    first off, you attempt to offer credence to the proven liars Plame/Wilson...tsk,tsk..
 
   Then you go on to cite a very leftwing biased and unreliable source....the Huffington Post.

    Next; you quote very outdated sources...2003..    But perhaps you are unaware that the old liberal chicanery about "Bush lied, people died" has been proven to be a misleading and false statement..showing exactly WHO lied...
   The "alphabet" news networks finally admitted the truth, but did not then speak near as stridently as they previously did against Bush.

  Here, from 2008..  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

   As far as Israel is concerned, everyone knows they have nuclear weapons..and Israel is not the one who is threatening anyone, to "wipe them off the map".
     Just what is your hangup with Israel ? Clearly, it does not appear to be rational, since it is not Israel destroying our buildings and attacking our capitol. Israel has armed itself well. as any lamb living in a neighborhood of wolves would be expected to do.

   Here, you come up with accusations against Israel..when the thread is about a Persian nutcase threatening the civilized world...sure sounds to me at least, ...to be an irrational fixation of hate against Israel..

[billy_56081]

I have a feeling a big test is coming for BHO.

[powderman]

rio. You spend too much time at the dnc. Israel is no threat to us. Iran and islam is a threat to the entire world. POWDERMAN. 

[bearmgc]

Rio Grande;
      Really..you should get your facts straight...
    first off, you attempt to offer credence to the proven liars Plame/Wilson...tsk,tsk..
 
   Then you go on to cite a very leftwing biased and unreliable source....the Huffington Post.

    Next; you quote very outdated sources...2003..    But perhaps you are unaware that the old liberal chicanery about "Bush lied, people died" has been proven to be a misleading and false statement..showing exactly WHO lied...
   The "alphabet" news networks finally admitted the truth, but did not then speak near as stridently as they previously did against Bush.

  Here, from 2008..  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

   As far as Israel is concerned, everyone knows they have nuclear weapons..and Israel is not the one who is threatening anyone, to "wipe them off the map".
     Just what is your hangup with Israel ? Clearly, it does not appear to be rational, since it is not Israel destroying our buildings and attacking our capitol. Israel has armed itself well. as any lamb living in a neighborhood of wolves would be expected to do.

   Here, you come up with accusations against Israel..when the thread is about a Persian nutcase threatening the civilized world...sure sounds to me at least, ...to be an irrational fixation of hate against Israel..

+1 on that. Seems the anti-semitism is bubbling to the top again. And the usual irrational, misleading references.

[BUGEYE]

If the little twerp shoots a nuke at Israel, he better get'em all on the first shot or he won't be able to fire a second shot.

[Redtail1949]

if obama gets tested i have no doubt he will fail miserably. i do not doubt iran will finaly go too far and israel with put the reactors out of commision. i know they have intelligence and they have a date certain to act. when they do, Obama must support and make it clear to all that we will back them up. it is the only hope of preventing an all out war.                                                                             

[bearmgc]

Likely there'll be war...

[BBF]

It continues to puzzle me why those of you that believe in the Bible including Revelation think that Israel is going to come out smelling like a Rose if push comes to shove.

[SHOOTALL]

When one considers the wind and relative closeness of Israel to Arab nations . A nuke could be suicide .

[powderman]

When one considers the wind and relative closeness of Israel to Arab nations . A nuke could be suicide .

If the Godless ones could anhilate Israel by killing 90 % of their own people, they'd do it in a heartbeat. The death of Israel is satans goal, no matter what it takes, but he will fail. Gods chosen ones will be victorious. POWDERMAN. 

[rio grande]

Rio Grande;
      Really..you should get your facts straight...
    first off, you attempt to offer credence to the proven liars Plame/Wilson...tsk,tsk..
  
   Then you go on to cite a very leftwing biased and unreliable source....the Huffington Post.

    Next; you quote very outdated sources...2003..    But perhaps you are unaware that the old liberal chicanery about "Bush lied, people died" has been proven to be a misleading and false statement..showing exactly WHO lied...
   The "alphabet" news networks finally admitted the truth, but did not then speak near as stridently as they previously did against Bush.

  Here, from 2008..  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

   As far as Israel is concerned, everyone knows they have nuclear weapons..and Israel is not the one who is threatening anyone, to "wipe them off the map".
     Just what is your hangup with Israel ? Clearly, it does not appear to be rational, since it is not Israel destroying our buildings and attacking our capitol. Israel has armed itself well. as any lamb living in a neighborhood of wolves would be expected to do.

   Here, you come up with accusations against Israel..when the thread is about a Persian nutcase threatening the civilized world...sure sounds to me at least, ...to be an irrational fixation of hate against Israel..

Truth is truth, even if reported by Huffington Post, etc.  Any number of other sources could be cited.
Of course the 'yellowcake' story was falsified, the tubes lied about - common knowledge. Remember back, the attack on iraq was planned waaay in advance - Bush, Blair and co. were looking so hard for excuses to attack they got impatient and made some up.

As far as Israel goes, I only wish to point out the hypocrisy - why does Israel get a free pass?  'Friends" of ours?  I don't think so - how about the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty, or witness the spying they carry out against the U.S., Jonathan Pollard et al.  But I guess it's 'anti-semitism' to point out the obvious!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

You Gentlemen should consider the ramifications of meddling in that part of the world on behalf of Israel and oil...  the current wars are running to ONE TRILLION dollars cost, and further adventurism would make that look like a drop in the bucket.
Our country is already technically bankrupt, and you would follow our glorious leader Obama into another unnecessary war?

[ironglow]

It continues to puzzle me why those of you that believe in the Bible including Revelation think that Israel is going to come out smelling like a Rose if push comes to shove.

  BBF;
  I never said if it comes to a military confrontation between Israel and Iran, that it would be a "cake walk" for anybody. However, Israel will not be defeated, they have been replanted in their promised land for a final time. The days of Israeli defeat and going into captivity are over.

     Did anyone notice the link I put up in post #6 ?  Afgter all the garbage about "there was no indication of Saddam preparing to build WMD...
   All those looney libs shouting "Bush lied, people died"..
    
  LOOK AT THE LINK::: !!!   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

   After all that talk... even (P)MSNBC  ...most left leaning of all networks, finally admitted in 2008..that old Saddam had 550 metric tons of "Yellowcake" for producing weapons, which a Canadian firm trucked out.
  Our CIA as well as all major intelligence agencies said such was true..but the libs and Plame/Wilson said he had no yellowcake...

   So now...who lied ?

[ironglow]

Rio grande..
   You still refuse to admit the existence of the yellowcake ?  ...And most of us don't bother even looking at the Huffington crap-sheet although we realize the extreme left does regularly.
     How many times do you have to be lied to before you call that source "a liar" ?

    Doin't tell me about your "glorious leader' Obama..you're the one who seems to be mouthing many of his ideas, and ignoring the many crimes of Islam..whiole fixating upon one incident (the Liberty) of friendly fire from 40 years ago. You keep regurgitating that old tune while in the meantime since that incident, Islamic terrorists have committed thousands of heinous attacks worldwide..hundreds of which had a higher death toll each , than the single attack upon the Liberty.
  

        Anti-semitism ?...if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck....

[rio grande]

It continues to puzzle me why those of you that believe in the Bible including Revelation think that Israel is going to come out smelling like a Rose if push comes to shove.

  BBF;
  I never said if it comes to a military confrontation between Israel and Iran, that it would be a "cake walk" for anybody. However, Israel will not be defeated, they have been replanted in their promised land for a final time. The days of Israeli defeat and going into captivity are over.

     Did anyone notice the link I put up in post #6 ?  Afgter all the garbage about "there was no indication of Saddam preparing to build WMD...
   All those looney libs shouting "Bush lied, people died"..
    
  LOOK AT THE LINK::: !!!   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25546334/

   After all that talk... even (P)MSNBC  ...most left leaning of all networks, finally admitted in 2008..that old Saddam had 550 metric tons of "Yellowcake" for producing weapons, which a Canadian firm trucked out.
  Our CIA as well as all major intelligence agencies said such was true..but the libs and Plame/Wilson said he had no yellowcake...

   So now...who lied ?

So..Israel can manufacture Nuclear bombs at Dimona and everybody knows about it and it's OK, but other countries disliked by the Israelis can't even build reactors for power generation?
Your link..."Israeli warplanes bombed a reactor project at the site in 1981. Later, U.N. inspectors documented and safeguarded the yellowcake, which had been stored in aging drums and containers since before the 1991 Gulf War. There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, the official said."
"No evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991..."  That's not what Bush said when he referred to Niger....and the documents that supposedly 'proved' Bush's claims were found to be cheap forgeries.
Now we're told it's Iran that is the enemy and the threat... just another chapter in the trotskyist neocon's neverending war for global domination.
You folks that support these wars of aggression - do you think we can escape the consequences forever?  Do you ever feel bad about the innocent people who die, or the soldiers who come home maimed?


From wikipedia....
"In 2008, the United States facilitated shipping yellowcake (refined uranium ore) out of Iraq. This yellowcake stockpiled prior to the first Gulf War, and was declared to the International Atomic Energy Agency and under IAEA safeguards. [48] More than 550 tons of yellowcake was removed from iraq and eventually shipped to Canada."

'Stockpiled prior to the first Gulf war'....'Declared to the IAEA'.......please note - Israel doesn't even allow the IAEA into their nuclear facilities!
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3778884,00.html

[billy_56081]

What Rio and the other antisemite members fail to comprehend is that Israel is a nation of decent peoples and will only use the nukes in a case of self defence. Israel has had neclear weapons for what 40 or 50 years now? How many times have they used them? Now the muslim animals any person with an IQ above 40 would know that they will use them immediatly if they had them. Now I'm sure your buddies at the Neo Nazi rallies think your talk sound like it makes sense, but like I said to anyone with an IQ over 40 can see who the dangerous animals are.

[torpedoman]

I go back a ways and have a long memory, My advice is to trust no one in the mid east region. Every last one of them will cut your throat in a heartbeat. "allies" included

[powderman]

BILLY. YEP, agreed Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[Oldshooter]

I go back a ways and have a long memory, My advice is to trust no one in the mid east region. Every last one of them will cut your throat in a heartbeat. "allies" included

Glad to see you getting in here and "slugging it out" with us again TMAN.

I still believe in God's chosen people! but things are a "C harlie F oxtrot" in the Middle east for sure as well as here in the west.

 Its like an old Captain I worked with in the sixty's. He bad mouthed everyone on the boat when they were not around, and I knew he bad mouthed me as well, so one day when he is on a roll about  the Engineer, I said you know Cap, everyone on this boat is a no good Sob but me and you and I ain't so sure about you!

It all sounds like sounds like Armageddon to me!

[billy_56081]

Once again our resident antisemite blames the Jews. Ya gotta say his hatred of the Jews is consistent.

[ironglow]

  Fact is...Saddam had yellowcake..when he got it is of little import, he still had it to use. Next, you're going tio tell us Saddam wasn't a bad man...
  Yes, Isreal has had nukes for some time..they haven't threatened to blow Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon or Iran "off the map", they are not likely to hand over nuclear weapons or dirty bomb material to jihadists and Prime Minister Netanyahu is not trying to assist any 12th mahdi in starting a worldwide conflagration .
  Of course, the treaty signed in 1991, after Saddam got his butt kicked in 100 hours, agreed to many things..no fly zones, no WMD..or capacity to make them and open and free inspections to international inspoctors. Looks like he bnroke all those agreements ..and plenty more.

  Rio Grande;
  You continually berate Israel while ignoring the thousands of attacks made by jihadists,  http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks  ..wherein thousands here in the US were murdered, is astounding ! Your self-imposed silence concerning Islamic atrocities..speaks very loudly! I doubt it is because you love the Muslim murderers so very much..but rather that you simply have extreme hatred of the Jews. (Did you read in the left column of the website..14, 776 deadly attacks since 9/11)..but I guess that means nothing to you...
  ...All I can reply to you is;

   "If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and waddles  like a duck....well..

[rio grande]

Anyone advocating war should have the courage to watch this...a good place to start is at minute 40.30...

http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2010/1/8/howard_zinn_three_holy_wars

[bearmgc]

Criticize Israel all you want, use facts and cite references. When Israel is criticized for defending itself, facts are distorted, and half truths employed. When done in regular fashion, this equates to anti-semitism. What I believe, nobody will change your mind. But somebody will continue to call you out on it.  Conspiracy theories abound, and I do buy into some of them. Conspiracy beliefs though can really get out of hand, case in point. And no excuse. By the way, there are self-hating members of all populations, so Zinn has little influence on my views. Ask yourself, with all that Jews have been through in this world, why do a number of them refuse to own guns or support self defense with guns in this country? JPFO studied this, and they have a plausible answer for you.

[SHOOTALL]

OK i listened Zinn 

[powderman]

I se that the Godless ones still have their cheerleaders here. Open your eyes, read the Bible, quit watching al jazeera and attending the dnc meetings. POWDERMAN. 

[nw_hunter]

Once again our resident anti Semite blames the Jews. Ya gotta say his hatred of the Jews is consistent.

So does this mean you disagree with the facts he has stated?
You are the one throwing  the hate word around. I would appear the T man spends more time researching in one day, than you would in one century.

He states facts.........You come back with "You hate Jews, Your a kook, or our resident Anti Semite.
Why don't you try to debate him?

[billy_56081]

Once again our resident anti Semite blames the Jews. Ya gotta say his hatred of the Jews is consistent.

So does this mean you disagree with the facts he has stated?
You are the one throwing  the hate word around. I would appear the T man spends more time researching in one day, than you would in one century.

He states facts.........You come back with "You hate Jews, Your a kook, or our resident Anti Semite.
Why don't you try to debate him?

How can you have a debate with someone who spews lies and incoherent babble? I have often shown where our resident antisemite has spewed lies and posted links with information that is incorrect.  To do that everytime our resident antisemite puts something up would be a full time job.

[nw_hunter]

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How can you have a debate with someone who spews lies and incoherent babble? I have often shown where our resident antisemite has spewed lies and posted links with information that is incorrect.  To do that everytime our resident antisemite puts something up would be a full time job.
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There you go again! He states facts, and you make prosaic statements.