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Concealed carry
« on: February 02, 2010, 04:18:47 PM »
There is a move here in Arizona to drop the requirements for licencing CCW. There is also a move in a few other states. I think this a good idea since scumbags don't follow laws anyway. And I hate the fact the Gov't knows I am concealing.

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 11:20:02 AM »
the way i look at is the gov wants to take our second amendment rights away ! well what better way to show that some people dont care about porper gun handling and they will not have to take a gun safety class ! this is who you want to be walking the streets? not me
giving everybody the means to carry concealed will show the gov that this was a mistake and give the gov more ammo to use against us lawabiding people and our second amendment right

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 12:43:36 PM »
The right to carry should not be dictated by government to start with. You know, that right to keep and bear arms thing ::)

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2010, 01:36:02 PM »
We have a State now that does not require permits of any kind to carry (Vermont), I don't recall that State having problems.  They do have background checks of course for buying them in the first place.  Far as I know the people of Vermont keep their laws like they are because they seem to work just fine.
Neither the Second Amendment or the government grants the right to carry/have guns, the second amendment points out you already had that right.

I have never really felt the need to impress the anti's with classes, or regulations, but there are a lot of people who feel the need to do just that, and out of that always comes more regulations to make everyone on both sides feel good I guess.  But make no mistake...it's lack of freedom if a person can't buy a firearm and carry it without paying a bunch of money for classes and permits, that they likely won't remember very long, or help them much if they are not commited to it.  I don't see non-criminals as a threat either way, with some class, or without. Seems to me a background check to see if you can own a gun is all we would need.

Anytime a State can lose some regulations on guns, good for them.  We just dropped some regulations here in Michigan, concerning those little green cards they call "safety inspection" for each handgun you owned,  which was really not needed.  We also just passed a law that says if I have a permit to carry, it means I can have someone elses gun with me if I want, does not have to be mine.  No more paper work with our pistols here is needed, just a carry permit if your concealing it.  We buy our rights here yet...100+ bucks for the class, and 105 bucks for the permit every 5 years to carry...don't let them fool you, our regulations are just to make money for the state, not to make people experts on carrying and shooting.  They have to do that on their own.

Let's see, a few more regulations dumped, I might start to feel more free here.  

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2010, 07:51:38 AM »
I took the test, it was free at the club and then decided not to get the goofy license. I don't like the idea of some statey or small town cop running my plates and thinking lets have some fun.
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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2010, 08:29:08 AM »
We have a State now that does not require permits of any kind to carry (Vermont), I don't recall that State having problems.  They do have background checks of course for buying them in the first place.  Far as I know the people of Vermont keep their laws like they are because they seem to work just fine.
Neither the Second Amendment or the government grants the right to carry/have guns, the second amendment points out you already had that right.


Yes, but Vermont's been overrun with liberal-socialist wannabees and they are already working on our gun laws.  Right now, they've gotten a newbee legislator to introduce a bill with penalties attached to make every homeowner, under penalty of law, keep all firearms IN THEIR HOMES locked up if there are children present.  They keep working at it, because they've found a small state that they can transform into their own leftist paradise.  It's just a matter of time, too, I'm afraid, because they've pretty much turned the place into a welfare state and have driven out industry.

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2010, 07:09:14 PM »
where i live is az we carry open and concealed carry is by permit olny, i have to agree with the idea the gov dosent have any bunisses changing our basic rights in fact they should stay the hell out compleaty !!! i guess what iam tring to say is some people really dont have a clue, exsample the wife and i where out at the range we bought a new carry pistol for my wife to carry ( her old glock got stolen) some people showed up with a rifle and a pistol, i called the range cold and looked to see if they had heard me and they said yes so i went to change targets and they started shoting as i got off the range and started over there there pistol jamed then the guy was tring to get the slide back and i got a pistol pointed right at me and grabed it away from him and explaned to him that what the rules where he just laffed well to make along story short the wife and i picked up and left
 gun safety classes and not a wast of time for people that doint know how to safely handle firearms
 concealed carry classes are not a wast of time to people that doint know the law and when to use deadly force (it might be the diffrence between a night in jail or life in prison)
now you see what iam talking about this stuff is just plane scarry

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2010, 07:18:11 PM »
Damn what range was this? I will make sure I don't frequent that one. I only go to Buckeye hills and ben Avery. Was this at  Usery Pass?

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2010, 03:23:57 PM »
well mauser i live in safford az our wonderfull city of safford and state of az made us this range with a trap shoot and pistol range the rifle range is out to 800 yd its nice but sometimes when the stupid people are out there it makes the whole expeince more like a tactical event

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2010, 07:10:20 PM »
scary

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2010, 03:55:14 PM »
well i just heard that the senate has passed the bill to carry concealed , all that needs to happen is jan brewer will look it over and sign
think i will invest in some kevlar lol

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2010, 05:47:33 PM »
just passed- good news!

if you wear a vest to stop an ideal hit, you'll just take one in the leg and bleed out from your femoral artery- you can't stop murphy's law

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2010, 12:52:23 PM »
My state just passed a "shall issue" law this year. In the past we have been a "may issue" state, at the discretion of your local sheriff. The new law also increased the required training needed in order to obtain a permit.

What a lot if people in this state didn't realize was that open carry was always legal here. It was difficult though because a lot of local ordinances prohibited it and you couldn't carry, even openly, in a vehicle. :(

I personally am not a fan of concealed carry laws, I think carrying should be a personal/private choice and none of the states damned business. I haven't looked into the availability of/access to records regarding who has a permit here yet......another thing that should be no ones business! >:(
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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2010, 01:46:41 PM »
yeah I wondered that too.. why broadcast it?


the liberals pushing for that should have all their dirt and data brought up in the papers too
- abortion: time and place, each and every occurence
- religion or lack of it
- racial profiling
- financial records and employment history
- property and tax information, vehicle registration and description
- social security numbers and photos

posting the info is about as stupid as businesses posting for no concealed carry- people that want to do it will legally or not.  and it's not legal to commit murder either but that never stopped anyone, guns or not.  

maybe the citizenry should be worried about harassing registered democrats  ;)

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2010, 08:32:43 PM »
lol at harassing registered democrats

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2010, 01:54:21 PM »
everytime I see a democrat or obama/biden 08 sticker on a car I want to go stomp out the windshield.  especially when it's at a church parking lot.  those people probably have a social or case worked that would replace it though... hate'em.

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2010, 07:01:32 PM »
how could somone that cant even porduce a birthcert even get in office much less go for presadental seat it dont make sence, but the thing that burns my arss people are out of work they cant do much to suport there familys, people are losin there houses (not completly dingdongs falt)and all obama can think about is health care reform taxing smokers and people that shoot

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2010, 10:21:13 AM »
some people showed up with a rifle and a pistol, i called the range cold and looked to see if they had heard me and they said yes so i went to change targets and they started shoting as i got off the range and started over there there pistol jamed then the guy was tring to get the slide back and i got a pistol pointed right at me and grabed it away from him and explaned to him that what the rules where he just laffed

Saw something similar. The Range Master grabbed their pistol, field stripped it, threw the parts down in the dirt and kicked them the hell off the range. 
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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2010, 06:56:49 PM »
well joe this shooting range is a public range and the olny people to keep things safe is your self ! i have seen 12 and 13 year old kids that have more sence in there in there little finger then some of these jokers

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2010, 08:41:11 PM »
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If you can copy clip and post we would all like to see anything from your local news!
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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2010, 04:47:52 PM »
hell the olny thing on the local news is illlegal mexican problem

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2010, 06:50:13 PM »
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If you can copy clip and post we would all like to see anything from your local news!
    You can go to azcentral.com. This is the webpage of th Arizona Republic.  this used to be a newspaper,but has been sadly lacking in content for many years.

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2010, 11:17:04 AM »
I will see what I can do for the most part I have seen more border poltrol all over az and even more on the border

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Re: Concealed carry
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2010, 04:36:06 PM »
here is a link to look at , this site gives word for word what the muckeedmucks have said about any thing politial in az
just type in the box (sb 1070/ leashetion on imagretion in az
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