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Offline cole k

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Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« on: February 03, 2010, 02:31:12 PM »
I picked up an 8mm Spanish Mauser last week cheap.

So to convert it a 6.5x55 Swede what else needs to be done to it besides:

1.Order a new barrel
2.Order a new trigger
3.Turn down the bolt handle (that's been done)
4.Replace the Mauser safety
5.True up the action
6.Drill and tap for scope mounts
7.Replace or refinish the stock. (the stock is serviceable and not original)
8.Rebed the stock

I realize this is going to be costly but it's about want not need and I'm in not hurry.

Now, what have I forgotten?

Thanks guys.

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2010, 02:55:40 PM »
Before you do anything else, including ordering parts/pieces - have the action checked for hardness.

Personally, I would pull the 8mm barrel and inspect the bolt lug seats visually & tactially for setback/indentations from the lugs.

Yes, any lug recess depressions found can "disappear" with the truing, but what's the point if the action's soft enough to simply do it again after you've finished the conversion ?

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2010, 02:59:17 PM »
cole K,  Item #3 turned bolt.   If it a military turned down bolt, then it may have a problem clearing a scope.
           Item #4 replace mauser safety.  It you order a new trigger, it can have a built in safety that can eliminate the mauser safety

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2010, 03:13:38 PM »
Ranger44,
I took the rifle today to my smith today. He said that he always checked hardness of the steel on these old actions.

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2010, 03:17:02 PM »
cole K,  Item #3 turned bolt.   If it a military turned down bolt, then it may have a problem clearing a scope.
           Item #4 replace mauser safety.  It you order a new trigger, it can have a built in safety that can eliminate the mauser safety


Thanks, I'll have to check the bolt clearance.

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2010, 06:57:32 PM »
That's alot of work and money to invest in a rifle that has a stock that is just "serviceable", also I don't see anything about blueing or alternate metal finishing.

The worst part of a project like this is that when finished, the rifle might be worth about half what you have in it.   I learned to do these things "on the cheap", like this one. The "big deal" was that I really enjoyed the project......more than just going out and buying a new Stevens for the same price!

 
Model 95 action...................................$50.
New 6.5 X 55 Swedish military barrel......$60.
Fagen "going out of business" stock........$85.
Trigger from Midway.............................$35.
Polish metal myself & farm out hot blue...$40.
Install barrel myself................-0-
Forged bolt handle myself........-0-
Rework safety myself..............-0-
Checker stock myself..............-0-
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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2010, 07:51:54 AM »
I just built a 35 Whelen on a 98 action.
rifle for donor action          $89
Barrel from Midway            $89
stock                              $30
Smith, finish chamber, blue $220
no new trigger as yet.

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2010, 10:56:35 AM »
Ok, guys this not my first time around this block but it has been awhile.
I know I can buy a Stevens for less than this is going to cost. But it wouldn't be a Swede and a Stevens doesn't stir the blood and leaves me cold.
It's not about the money, it's about joy I get from projects like this.

These cost are from Midway, I maybe able to do better but I doubt it.

Adams & Bennett Barrel Mauser Series 3; 6.5x55mm Swedish Mauser
          F14 Contour 1 in 9" Twist 21" Chrome Moly in the White …............................. $80
Bold Optima Trigger Mauser 98 with Side Safety 2 to 4 lb  …..................................... $48
Bluing (matte blue) including prep/$120, if I prep $60 …............................................. $60
Smith work, truing the action, removing/replacing the barrel, trigger install ….......... $120
Birchwood Casey Tru-Oil Stock Finish Kit (I'll refinish the stock myself) …................. $18
Bedding kit if needed …............................................................................................... $25
Total …... $351

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2010, 12:17:22 PM »
Sometimes it aint about money. Sometimes its about fun, pure and simple. I have a rifle that has way more time and money in it than it will ever be worth but to me it is priceless. If it cranks your engine go for it. You know from the jump it may never be worth what you spend but thats not always a priority. Have fun!

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2010, 01:04:40 PM »
I don't buy or build rifles for an investment. It's about fun and having something a little different.

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2010, 02:14:30 PM »
cole: looks like you have it pretty well covered.  Make certain your gunsmith checks the action for hardness and then go for it.  I converted a Swedish Mauser but left it in 6.5 Swede and it's a beauty. 

And I fully agree, it's about fun.  Go for it. 

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2010, 04:06:29 PM »
It would be nice to see some pictures.  I already know what mine looks like.
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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2010, 05:58:16 AM »
I guess you understand. It`s just that there are alot of people that think you can still have a nice custom rifle built for less than you can buy a new one for. I have a .22-6mm built on a Savage action that I have over $ 1,000 in and it wears a scope that was another $ 1,000. Well I have that barrel shot out and have another $ 300 plus barrel on order for it which I will probly have shot out in a few more years. BUT, it sure is fun to shoot and a 2 in. group at 600 yrds. does impress alot of people.

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2010, 03:46:13 PM »

     It's a shame to waste all of this good re-work money on a Spanish mauser.

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2010, 04:15:58 PM »
#1 determine if it is a large or small ring mauser if you haven't already.
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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2010, 04:08:53 PM »
cole K, 
Having a number of sporter rifles myself, built on a mauser action with A&B barrels, I understand your desire to do this.  However, like another poster, not sure I'd do all this using a Spanish Mauser action.  Just my opinion, but I prefer the 24" F34 contour over the 21" F14.    Lastly, please check the website of Mark Skaggs, a gunsmith in Oregon.  He will install a pre threaded/short chambered A&B barrel for $65 and do about any other gun work for a reasonable price.  Used to be he'd provide and install an A&B barrel for $150.  Not sure of what he charges now.   Skaggs does good work and dispite my having to pay the shipping costs of sending the barreled action and their return back to me, I still saved money by using him.  Prices gunsmiths quoted me here around Houston, Tx considerably higher than what Skaggs charged me. 

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2010, 01:07:03 AM »
cole:  Huffmanite has a good point.  Reid Coffield, a Shotgun News gunsmith who is running a series on sporterizing a Mauser just recommended against using the Spanish Mauser as he feels the metals are softer than on the others and he gives tips on what to look for.  You may want to get a copy of that article and think about using another platform.  Mikey.

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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2010, 03:33:34 AM »
I had a 60 year old "La Corona"  (sounds like a cigar) & shot it a bit.  Headspace & accuracy were fine.

But here's my question:  If a 60 year old rifle shoots fine, and it has shot fine for a long time, is there anything unsafe about using it as a base for a sporter?  Some of these military mausers have been shot more times than any hundred sporters, sometimes even with machine gun ammo, and yet they remain safe to shoot.  When was the last time anyone blew up a mauser using factory loads anyways?  Yes, some of the new cartridges run at a higher pressure.

Arisakas have a reputation for being hell for stout, but no one seems to know anything about their metalurgy.

I suppose resale would be better if a person used a $100. VZ-24 for a base action.   That's what I used, but just because it was easily obtainable.
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Re: Converting an 8mm Spanish Mauser
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2010, 07:04:50 AM »
jcn59,

has posed some good points about shooting an old surplus military type bolt action military rifle and his comment about the resale value of being probably higher with another countries mauser action being used.   

Should be very safe to shoot most military rifles/actions made last 100 years, when proper pressure cartridges are used in them that fall into the range of pressure for what they were originally built to withstand.   There are some exceptions to this, such as the low serial numbered U.S. 1903 springfields, some of which, were produced with much too brittle receivers before army realized a problem and changed their heat treatment techniques for the 1903 receiver.   So, scattered among the about one million 1903s that were produced, before heat treatment problem discovered and corrected, are some that may be dangerous to shoot even with the proper ammo.  Now the mausers made in Spain have an opposite problem of using a softer metal in their receivers than the mausers made by Swedes, Germans or Czechs.  Having the softer metal doesn't make them unsafe to use for sporter conversions when properly done and etc.  Just more of a problem with Spanish made mauser receivers having a reputation of more of a headspace problem than other mausers due to softer metal in the receiver lug areas.  A couple of years ago, I came across a box of small ring Spanish 93 Oviedo complete actions that were being sold for $20 each at a gun show.  I already had a new 7mm mauser chambered German made carbine barrel that cost me about $40.  I didn't hesitate in buying one of the 1927 made Oviedo actions that had a nicely turned down sporter bolt handle and had a gunsmith install the barrel on it for about $50.   LOL, built my own stock for it and did work myself drilled and tapped for scope and etc., so I have less than $200 invested in a nice rifle that I often take to range to enjoy shooting.  Its not as accurate as my other mauser sporters, but it is certainly accurate enough as a light carry rifle for deer hunting.

As for the Arisakas, only the late WWII production rifles, the so-called "last ditch" Arisakas, are questioned for their metallurgy.   The arisakas made by Japanese before or early in WWII are certainly made well.  Japanese have a tradition for making very high quality steel that goes back for centuries.  When Japan industrialized late in the 19th and early 20th centuries and began producing their own mauser type rifles, took great care in producing a high quality military rifle.  Memory serves me correct, used German made equiptment and Mauser/German advisors/expertise when making their first modern military rifles.