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Palin's Tea party speech
« on: February 06, 2010, 03:26:50 PM »
She made a big boo-boo, she said Alaska :o should remain a beacon of hope for repressed people all around the world (I think she meant America). She is gonna get pounded for that one on monday. Good speech otherwise.

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Re: Palin's Tea party speech
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2010, 03:56:20 PM »
I like her and I am All For TEA ,
these Tea party(s) are going to get some arse's moving

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Re: Palin's Tea party speech
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2010, 04:35:05 PM »
I noticed that slip too. Just shows where her heart is, and that's not a bad place. I hope this movement lasts.

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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2010, 04:39:06 PM »
Is any of the tea party activity being reported in the major media, except Fox?
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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2010, 04:45:42 PM »
I noticed that slip too. Just shows where her heart is, and that's not a bad place. I hope this movement lasts.

It shook her up for a few minutes, but she recovered nicely. Stuff happens like that when a speaker is going off notes and trying to keep eye contact with the audience instead of reading off a teleprompter, but no doubt she will be criticized for one word she misspoke, rather than the thousand words of truth.

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« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 05:03:27 PM »
Yeah, and no-one says a word about Obama saying Marine Corpse, instead of Corps.  Twice using a teleprompter. 

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Re: Palin's Tea party speech
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 06:09:05 PM »
I pay very little attention to the news media, including Fox (the fair and balanced one ::)). Palin would be much better off if she would divest herself of the Republican party. They are an outdated farce.
My entire family supports and attends the T-Parties any time one is held in our area. The Republicans will try to use them, the way they have used most voters, but many people I know, are looking for candidates outside the Republican party and wisely no longer trust the Republicans. I have for the most part abandoned them, and know many that have. Enough is enough.
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« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2010, 06:24:05 PM »
I pay very little attention to the news media, including Fox (the fair and balanced one ::)). Palin would be much better off if she would divest herself of the Republican party. They are an outdated farce.
My entire family supports and attends the T-Parties any time one is held in our area. The Republicans will try to use them, the way they have used most voters, but many people I know, are looking for candidates outside the Republican party and wisely no longer trust the Republicans. I have for the most part abandoned them, and know many that have. Enough is enough.

I think she's dunking her toes before jumping in, she is trying to figure out how to divorce mickcane politely because he propelled her into the national spotlight. It's too bad she made a mistake big enough to discredit her whole speech.

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2010, 06:24:41 PM »
Palin will dump the Republicans.  My only is that she does it sooner than later.

As far as the flub goes it only proves she's human.  CNN did a story on her speech on their website.  No mention of the slip up, but they did go back to her lack of experience displayed during the 2008 presidential campaign.  Lame.

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2010, 06:44:00 PM »
Mirage1988, that one flub will not discredit her whole speech. And if so, in whose eyes? Tea Partiers, Conservatives, Patriots, and Constitutionalists don't play that way. They look to the heart of the words, the passion and intent of the speaker, and the TRUTH of what they are saying, not focus on a single mistake. If that were the case, they would be in total disarray, not a wave of passion that is sweeping this country. Every single person there had one objective, to get this country back on course, and out of the hands of the politicians and lobbyists. And there were Democrats, Republicans, Independents, all manner of folks there, with the same purpose. That's the way I read it, anyway. BoomLover
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Re: Palin's Tea party speech
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2010, 10:17:52 PM »
heck she just showed she was human an could get past it.. slim
 i didn t hear her talk buy the way..
 edit .. i just got to watch her tea party appearance..
 her thoughts about everything she spoke of are right along the lines i think on..
 an real elegant lady.. i can tell you this ..if shes an example of what alaska produces ..
 i agree ..we need to be more like alaskans.. now i realize many alaskans arn t like her.. but
she conveys hope,,and a winning ,never quit the fight spirit..yep shes just growing into an good
reagan type leader.. she herself says its not about great individuals but great traditional american values..
 and yes lets openly invite the creator into our efforts as a republic.. gov of the people, for the people, an buy the people.. one nation under god..let the liberals an power hungry capitalist ,take thier lumps..
 this country is about the common everyday working man an woman..slim
 ps.as to what some called her stumping her toe..in her talk at one point ,,she said the truth .. let the powerful media say what they want to.. we don t give a dang what they think of us.we definitly know they not promoting the same america we believe in.. so why worry about what they think..

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2010, 01:14:59 AM »
Any thoughts on her $100k fee for the speech?

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2010, 01:47:41 AM »
She says the fee she took will go right back to the organization.  Eventually this bottom up movement is going to have to do some organizing, and that will take $$$..

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2010, 02:45:41 AM »
I watched the speech; I thought she tried to hit too many points.  I might have missed it, but I don't think she said anything about getting rid of all the stinking illegals that are screwing up our country and our economy.  You want jobs--get the people out of here that are working under the table and even those who are here on work visas.

As for a platform, I would keep it as simple as possible.  Secure the country with the best means possible; limit taxation; cut all programs that the states could and should be doing (education, energy, welfare, arts, etc.) and get back to Constitutionality--especially the Second Amendment.
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Re: Palin's Tea party speech
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2010, 03:51:56 AM »
I pay very little attention to the news media, including Fox (the fair and balanced one ::)). Palin would be much better off if she would divest herself of the Republican party. They are an outdated farce.
My entire family supports and attends the T-Parties any time one is held in our area. The Republicans will try to use them, the way they have used most voters, but many people I know, are looking for candidates outside the Republican party and wisely no longer trust the Republicans. I have for the most part abandoned them, and know many that have. Enough is enough.

You are right Dee. I was at a local Tea Party back in the summer. I noticed several republican politicians making the rounds and trying to get in all the pictures they could. Then I get home and turn on Fox News. There's Dick Army and a few others republicans standing in front of the crowd, all down-homey looking in their jeans, and trying to field all the questions, interviews, and pics. I got this sinking feeling that the new movement was about to be ursurped. Let's not let that happen. The dems and the reps are the problem.

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Re: Palin's Tea party speech
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2010, 03:59:17 AM »
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Palin would be much better off if she would divest herself of the Republican party.

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The Republican party chomping at the bit to hijack the the Tea Party. 

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« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2010, 03:59:24 AM »
 magooch ..with respect .. she couldn t possibly touch on every subject..
 also theres the growing number of leagal voting hispanics..they need to not be alienated..
the idea is to get her into office..after what i saw ,thats what i think anyway..
 i like the woman..hope shes as capable of drawing conservative believers togather,,as pres Reagan..
 independent or republican ..shes my front runner,,win or lose.slim
 if any white people think the numbers are thier for say 55 % of whites to put a person into the presidency..
 you just need look around..i don t care if a person is any color if they are dedicated to
 one nation under god ,indivisable ,with liberty an justice for all..im not gonna alienate them ,an will consider them a welcome partner in trying to establish the values this country was founded on..she also needs to not alienate the republican party,, if she s gonna have a chance to be elected..

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2010, 04:02:31 AM »
I didn't hear the speech either, I hope the tea party will actually come to be a viable 3rd party. Yes, I'd vote for her, matter of fact, I did. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2010, 04:13:05 AM »
Here's a link to the speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7gVp3diPbI

Quite a good speech. Anybody know how many were in the audience?
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Re: Palin's Tea party speech
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2010, 04:13:27 AM »
and the ones apparently bent on deviding us here ,,go to work..thanks questor for putting her speech on this forum..
she not trying to be politically correct .. shes trying to encourage everyday working people to take charge from the pros in washington.. jmo slim
 ps so mabe its palin an brown against obama an opra in the next election..that will be interesting..
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Re: Palin's Tea party speech
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2010, 05:07:50 AM »
I noticed she said we need to do harsher sanctions on Iran. I think she has to say this, but I also believe that she is thinking that it is time to let the "boys" jump into their M-1s and take a little road trip through Iran just like they did in Iraq.

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« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2010, 07:13:48 AM »
At I believe 1:00PM Central time on Fox with Mike Wallace, I believe she will tell the world that she will run for President if it fits right. If she runs Republican I will have to take a hard look at her running mate before I will commit to that. Her choice will tell much about her inner self and intentions for this country.
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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2010, 01:51:10 AM »
this country is about the common everyday working man an woman

That's not quite the country I remember living in when Ronald Regan was President.  The country I remember living in was one in which the government got the heck out of the way so that Ameicans could use their drive, determination, and ambition to achieve GREAT things -not common, everyday things.  Reagan talked about things like "will" and "can" and "resolve" and "acheivement" and "presonal responsibility."  Broad themes, perhaps, but key results from an even broader one.

That broader theme is liberty.  That is what America used to be about.  It used to be about freedom.  Freedom to pursue happiness, not a promise from a politician that an oppressive government will make you happy.  Freedom to succeed, which also came with freedom to fail.  That freedom, that liberty, was the key to our strength as a people, and it was the cause that unified us.  

The President Regan that I remember believed in the individual American, but he wouldn't use the words "common" to describe him.  As an addmittedly impressionable teen, President Regan had me convinced that I could do ANYTHING I set my mind to and achieve ANY goal, provided that I was willing to set it, strive and work to achieve it, be willing to accept responsibility for my failures and shortcomings, be willing to learn from my failures, fix any shortcomings, and move ahead with the same grit and determination that our forefathers had.  He didn't promise that I would succeed, but seemed to have faith that I would, if I embraced those principles that the founders of this nation held dear.  He didn't promise that I wouldn't fail.  He did promise to do everything in his power to get an increasingly oppresive government off my back so I could go out and have a shot at achieving great things.

Regan believed in the individual.  Progressives like Pee-Lousy, the Hairy Monster from the Silver State, and the Big O Himself, and others of their ilk, don't believe in the individual.  In their minds, you don't need liberty because you are too stupid, common, and everyday to know what to do with it.  What you need, poor helpless one, is a government to nanny you from cradle to grave.

It has been a looooooooong three decades since Regan took his oath of office.  In that time, many of my fellow Americans seem to have bought into the lie that there is something "common and everyday" about us as a people, and we've bought the lie so completely that we now define ourselves that way.  I think if Regan were here today, he'd say something like this.........

"There are some who talk of the common, everyday, working man and woman, as though this mythical figure defines the majority of my fellow Americans.  But when I look back upon our collective national history, from the founding of our great nation to the present time, I have to wonder how anyone can believe this most sinister of lies.  Ours is a history of free people, posessing the liberty to pursue happiness, in all of its manifold forms -a people with uncommon grit, drive, and determination.  Our history proves that we are a nation of people who do not shy away from the difficult thing, who do not look for the easy way, and who do not look to a government to solve all of their problems.  Rather, we are a people who take on the diffiuclt thing, finding opportunities and solutions as we do so, not for selfish gain as our detractors around the world might believe, but we take on these challenges because we are Americans, and because we are Americans, there is no challenge too great, nor any obstical that we cannot overcome, simply because we are free to exercise the drive, determination, ambition, and ability that our creator put in each of us.  Don't be decieved by those who tell you that these are qualities to be despised, for they are not, nor can they be, if you believe their source to be divinely supernatural in origin.  Don't be decieved by those who say that liberty and personal freedoms are anachronisms of a bygonne era that can and should be whittled away piecemeal for the betterment of the so-called "common good."  I would submit that we're Americans, and therefore the "common good" isn't good enough for us.  We are the last basition of liberty, and this is why we should never lull ourselves into settling for the so-called "common good" or "common" anything -because there is nothing "common" or "ordinary" about us.  We are individuals blessed not only with certain inailiable rights, but also individual gifts, talents, and attributes. Only in a free society can those gifts, talents, and attributes blossom forth to bear the fruit of uncommon greatness.  Therefore, my fellow Americans, it is up to each and every one of us to remain diligent to defend liberty against all who would seek to usurp it from us. There are many things that make us anything but common and ordinary -as individuals, as a people, and a nation.  But the unifying thread, the bedrock upon which our individual and collective capacity for greatness stands, is liberty."

 
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ps.as to what some called her stumping her toe..in her talk at one point ,,she said the truth .. let the powerful media say what they want to.. we don t give a dang what they think of us.we definitly know they not promoting the same america we believe in.. so why worry about what they think..

The progressive media and progressive politicians do seem to work hand in hand to promote an America that is vastly different that what the founders of this nation invisioned, or the America that I remember President Regan speaking of.  They appear to be a unified front as they promote a European-style "nanny state" and they do this because they are the self-appointed and self-absorbed elites and "we the people" in their eyes are "common everyday working men and women."  A guy like Regan believed that ALL Americians were uniquely blessed with individual gifts, talents, abilities, and aptitudes, which the individual, provided he is not oppresed from doing so by a tryanical government, WOULD use to achieve great, wonderful things.  Nothing "common" or "everyday" about that.  Those words don't adequately define my fellow Americans any more than the words "average" or "ordinary" do.

Personally, I think we should leave "common and everyday" as defining terms to the progressives and socialists who don't believe in the power of the individual to realize his full potential in a fully free society.  Instead, we should define ourselves with more fitting terms that accurately reflect the potential that each one of us has to excell.

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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2010, 01:58:13 AM »
 please bpardon .. being a common man is a compliment to me,, if the term is used right.. john conley song..
im a common man ,drive a common van..was one i guess i kinda identify, with..
 but you might be right ,,reagan might take exception to that term..slim  :) the uncommon one. :)
 enjoyed your post an will keep an eye on them in the future...
 

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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2010, 02:21:16 AM »
please bpardon .. being a common man is a compliment to me,, if the term is used right.. john conley song..
im a common man ,drive a common van..was one i guess i kinda identify, with..
 but you might be right ,,reagan might take exception to that term..slim  :) the uncommon one. :)
 enjoyed your post an will keep an eye on them in the future...
 

Slim, I kind of assumed that you meant "common man" in the kind of context of that John Conley tune.  Lots of folks identify with that.  In a way, I am one of them.  I drive a ratty old Jeep, usually with empty shotgun hulls and spent .22 rolling around on the floor along with Copenhagen cans. I don't live an extravagant lifestyle and don't want to.  I reckon I'm content to be the simple country boy I am.

But this simple country boy was blessed to be inspired by a real leader who essentially said that even though I came from humble middle class folks, America was still a place where dreams could be made to come true.  My dream was to make a living in the outdoors through fishing and hunting.  I don't do that now, so much, but from 1996 to 2007, I went out and made that dream come true.

I had to get out of law enforcement and the Marine Coprs Reserve at the same time for the same medical reasons.  I took a job with a private sector company that went "tango uniform" as soon as I got hired on, declaring bankruptcy, leaving me unemployed.  I had serious trouble finding anyone who would hire me.  I guess I was brainwashed by Regan, but I didn't despair.  "If nobody will hire me to do a job, I'll just create my own job, and it'll be better than anything I'd get hired on to do.  After all, this is America, the land where dreams come true."

So I got a guide's license, and became a hunting and fishing guide.  I had a bachelor's degree in journalism, and parlayed that with my LE experience and guiding experience to break in to outdoors journalism, which I was active in from 2001 to 2007 and still dabble in a bit.  

Now, If I'd have had to endure the brainwashing of a progressive like President Obama during my formative years, and believed that I was too common and ordinary to ever amount to anything without a nanny state to help me, I might have gone on the dole, instead.

Personally, I'd rather be brainwashed by a guy like Regan than a guy like Obama.  With the former's brainwashing, I got to choose my own destiny, strive, fail a few times, learn from those failures, and move on to sucessful self employment, which I have since moved on from again...

I'm rambling, but I am glad that you got the jist of what I was trying to convey, Slim.

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« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2010, 03:54:20 AM »
Of all the likely folks that presently seem to have an interest in running for the Presidency, I like Sarah very much, but if she chooses to run as a Tea Party candidate, I believe that is a very big mistake.  I want the Obamanation gone and unless something earth shaking happens, it's still going to come down to who the Republicans run against the communist.  A third party will only guarantee a second term for the halfrican.

Ronald Raegan probably could have started a third party, but he chose to reform the Republican Party enough to make that work for him.  What makes anyone think that a Tea Party, or any third party will be any more pure in their philosophy than the Republicans.  Any party big enough to actually win an election, will always naturally be somewhat diverse, so I'm hoping someone will emerge and lead the Republicans down the right path.
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« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2010, 04:52:32 AM »
Obama's wish has always been to run against Palin in 2012. Whether as a Rep or as a vote splitter. Either way, Reps are toast. Looks like wishes may come true.

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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2010, 05:18:50 AM »
Watch what the tea party folks are saying again and again boys, they say we do not want to start a new party, we want to make the Republican party sit up and take notice. They say the same as you, that a third party will guarantee another 4 years for the Bamster.

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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2010, 11:43:14 AM »
Guys, I am in the process of reading her book right now.  One of the things she keeps repeating to her self during her time as Mayor and as Governor was "How would Renold Reagan do it"?  I know from talking with her that Sarah believes in doing what is right for the people, not what is expected of her from politcions.  She became Mayor by bucking the establishment.  She also became Governor, by bucking the Republician party, and Big Oil.  Sarah will stand up for the people and will not forget that she works for, the people.

I hear people saying she is a quiter, No she is not!  Sarah stepped aside, because she could no longer do the work she had been hired to do by the people.

As for experience, I feel she has more experience than Obama and McCain both for the office.  What she did negotiating deals with the Big Oil companies, who were hostile every step of the way, was no smal feat.  She knows how to stand her ground, and how to select knowledgable people to help her gain the neccessary information to make good decissions.  When it comes to energy, and alternate energy, Sarah knows her stuff.  As for the environment, she is very knowledgable there too.  She has talked to the worlds leading scientist on climate, and knows what is going on there as well.  She is not a follower of Big Al Gore.
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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2010, 12:42:28 PM »
Guys, I am in the process of reading her book right now.  One of the things she keeps repeating to her self during her time as Mayor and as Governor was "How would Renold Reagan do it"?  I know from talking with her that Sarah believes in doing what is right for the people, not what is expected of her from politcions.  She became Mayor by bucking the establishment.  She also became Governor, by bucking the Republician party, and Big Oil.  Sarah will stand up for the people and will not forget that she works for, the people.

I hear people saying she is a quiter, No she is not!  Sarah stepped aside, because she could no longer do the work she had been hired to do by the people.

As for experience, I feel she has more experience than Obama and McCain both for the office.  What she did negotiating deals with the Big Oil companies, who were hostile every step of the way, was no smal feat.  She knows how to stand her ground, and how to select knowledgable people to help her gain the neccessary information to make good decissions.  When it comes to energy, and alternate energy, Sarah knows her stuff.  As for the environment, she is very knowledgable there too.  She has talked to the worlds leading scientist on climate, and knows what is going on there as well.  She is not a follower of Big Al Gore.

Sourdough, I'm generally in agreement with you on Palin. I finished her book about 2 wks ago, and walked away from it, in some areas confused at her apparent continued admiration of McCain. He and his election staff basically treated her like that "red headed step child" I've heard about all my life.
I personally believe she would be better off divesting herself of the Republican Party, but I could live with that MAYBE, depending on whom she would pick for a running mate. I will not vote for business as usual ever again. I would have to look long and hard at that issue before supporting her as a Republican.
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