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West Point - Trophy Point
« on: February 07, 2010, 01:15:50 AM »

I found this site while looking for information about ‘The Battle Monument’ which is dedicated to, and records the names of officers and enlisted men who lost their lives in the American Civil War. “The Battle Monument contains the names of 2,230 officers and enlisted men of the regular army who were killed or died of wounds received in battle during the Civil War. It was dedicated on May 31, 1897.” 
Click on any photo to enlarge, and clicking on words highlighted in blue will open onto another link.
Click on “No. 2 History of the Battle Monument” to open a Google digital book that gives a lot of info on the monument.
One of the errors I’ve noticed would be contained in the caption under photo no. 5. These cannons are definitely not Civil War guns, at least not from our Civil War. As a matter of fact, I don’t think they’re even real cannons in the sense that we usually think of cannon, I believe they are non-functional imitations of a French model of cannon that were cast specifically for this monument. The battle locations mentioned in the caption are cast in raised letters on the muzzle faces of these “sculptured” bronze guns.
"5. Cannon at the Battle Monument
Civil War cannon encircle the base of the monument, each bearing the name of a major battle on the barrels. These two honor the battles of the Wilderness and Fort Donelson."
In the book it is stated that 50 actual Civil War bronze cannon were donated to be used in the construction of this monument, and these melted down guns are what provided the bronze for the surmounting statue, 16 cannons, garlands, the bands containing the enlisted troops names that encircle the globes, and any other bronze seen on the monument. 
50 BRONZE CANNONS
If you look at some of the photos you’ll also notice that there are actual cannons buried upright in the lawn that form a circle around the monument.

There are a lot of interesting things to look at contained in this site, but a few artillery related things that stand out are “Wars That Shaped the Nation,” which consists of The American Civil War, The Revolutionary War, The War of 1812, The Mexican War, and the Spanish-American War. Photos of artillery in the West Point collection that would have been used in each of these conflicts are shown. Another cannon of interest would be the “150-pounder Armstrong Gun Captured at Fort Fisher, North Carolina – January 15, 1865.”

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Re: West Point - Trophy Point
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2010, 03:31:26 AM »
Thanks, BoomJ -

I'd love to spend a day going through that area.  Last time I was through, I was hitch-hiking (caught a space-a military hop and caught rides out) - didn't have time to do much cannonning.

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2010, 06:33:38 AM »
Great post, lots of info...Thanks! BoomLover
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2010, 07:55:27 AM »
I was at West Point in 1998.  Here are some of the pictures I took.  I was new to the hobby and did not get some of the information I now wish I had.  But the pictures are great.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2010, 09:57:23 AM »
Zulu    Nice pictures. Thankyou for bringing West Point closer to those of us who will probably only visit it through pictures.
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 10:05:17 AM »
Note the dent in the top face of the muzzle.  It has been hit by another ball.  The wheels on this gun were about 5 1/2' tall and the bore was probably 9"or 10".  I could put my head in it! :o
It was a beast of a gun.  I don't recall how big the Dictator was. ???  I wish there was something in the picture to scale it.
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 10:15:15 AM »
Zulu,  You could carry a tape measure with you to show scale.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 06:38:17 PM »
Looks like that is another collection of bronze artillery that is suffering from acid rain.
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Re: West Point - Trophy Point
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2010, 07:58:00 PM »
I'd love to spend a day going through that area.  Last time I was through, I was hitch-hiking (caught a space-a military hop and caught rides out) - didn't have time to do much cannonning.

Cat,
I've not been there yet, but West Point is definitely on my 'someday wish to visit list'.

I was at West Point in 1998.  Here are some of the pictures I took.  I was new to the hobby and did not get some of the information I now wish I had.

Zulu,
You may not have recorded some of the history of the ordnance (like you now wish you had) that you saw back then, but by the look of the photos that you posted here it's evident that you already had a highly developed interest in artillery.
One of the cannons I would like to know more about is the 17th century Chinese gun that is on display in the museum. As a kid I had a small brass and mahogany model of this cannon that was manufactured in (of all places) Italy. The only history I can find on this gun is that it was either captured by Russian forces during the Boxer Rebellion, and then given to U.S. authorities for some reason, or that it was captured from the Chinese rebels by American forces. There is a brass plaque on the carriage bracket, but I don't know what's inscribed on it.





Another interesting cannon I'd love to know the provenance of is this bronze swivel gun that is evidently vented through the breech face, and is fired by a gunlock attached to the breech face.

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Re: West Point - Trophy Point
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2010, 07:22:13 AM »
Note the dent in the top face of the muzzle.  It has been hit by another ball.  The wheels on this gun were about 5 1/2' tall and the bore was probably 9"or 10".  I could put my head in it! :o
It was a beast of a gun.  I don't recall how big the Dictator was. ???  I wish there was something in the picture to scale it.
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Zulu,
I was looking at your photo of that beautiful British 8-inch howitzer (with the damaged muzzle swell) that was captured by the Continental Army at the "Battle of Saratoga" during our Revolutionary War, when I noticed that you referred to the cast iron mortar in another of your posted photos as "the Dictator." 
The name "Dictator" was given to one specific '13-inch Seacoast Mortar U.S. Model of 1861' that was
used by the Federal Army in the siege of Petersburg, Virginia in 1864.
The cast iron mortar in the pic that you posted is an example of a '10-inch Siege Mortar M1861', and is one of two on display at Trophy Point.
RIP John. While on vacation July 4th 2013 in northern Wisconsin, he was ATVing with family and pulled ahead of everyone and took off at break-neck speed without a helmet. He lost control.....hit a tree....and the tree won.  He died instantly.

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« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2010, 07:36:38 AM »
Thanks Boom J,
I was quite impressed with that 8" howitzer.  It was huge!  The carriage dwarfed my Parrott Rifle's #1 carriage.
I called the little mortar a "Dictator" out of habit. 
Thanks for the information.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2010, 12:29:21 PM »
I really like the 'howitzer with a handle'.  Big-bore swivel gun.
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