Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement.

[nomosendero]

I use IRS (your folks) data because you would want to put down any Conservative source, Tax paid as a basis of income is what you progressives believe & those are the numbers dude. I don't live in your Socialist World & thats all there is to that. But the folks currently in power, Obamanites everywhere admire your hammer & sickle view.

As far as hammering the Corporations, anyone who has actually ran a business knows the fruits of that one
& folks removed from it don't, no biggie. You will get your way as soon as your guy figures a way to take a larger piece from the Corporations, he wants it via cap & trade but he may have to siphon them a different way which will siphon us, a no-brainer.

Well did you get up on the wrong side of bed this morning.,  I hardly consider you a conservative, but realize in your own mind you think you are. You use IRS data because you have no other data to support your myths. I worked over 30 years in the private sector and 24 of those years running my own business, thus providing me with a comfortable retirement. I'm also involved with a partner in a venture to bring a few unique materials to market and to market a few other materials; and to broker these materials to several vendors and end users. So save your tired corporo 'whoa with the system' rhetoric for some poor wage slave willing to listen to myths and stories. I have first hand experience with the tax codes,,,I know a few of the rules, and I know who pays and escapes taxation, and who gets the bulk of government subsidies. I hardly think of the Boston Globe or Money Mag as far leftist publications as well.. You on the other hand could not answer 2 simple tax questions and beleive the recent SCOTUS ruling to be Constitutional and promoting real democracy.

If pointing out a few truths about taxes relative to corporations is considered progressive lies in your dichotomic mind, than you have more problems than revealed in your rancor. Until people, just like yourself, get off their high horse and look at some real data, stop believing in myth and other propaganda or believing only 1/2 of the governemnt propaganda sticking to their wall; and attacking everything in this country that is ascribed to their feared progressive enemies and all the time calling this conservatism or patriotism then we will continue to slide into oblivion.....and this is the real anti-Americanism of today and the real war waged against the American citizen.....some conservatism there, ??


..TM7

Did not answer, not could not. Unfortunately, I did not read past that "hardly think you are a Conservative" bit, thinking how stupid that is & put out a response. At that point I closed the laptop & drove to the NWA Regional ,just got back. First question, The whole idea of paying a preferential rate is for further investment, whether done or not, or at least the purpose.Of course with Cap. gains as you know the rate paid could vary, whether talking long or short term. Without any guilt issues I will do what I can that is legal, having paid plenty regardless & everybody with over 75K is paying too much, allmost everybody but of course some can take advantage of quite a lot, of course does not change the fact of who are paying the bulk of taxes. If the IRS tables is a myth, supply the real data.

Concerning the SCOTUS ruling, I said we were better off before McCain Feingold, & hence we would not have this ruling,but not as worried about some being able to participate in the same freedoms your large Corp buddies GE & the Media allready have. In fairness I think you did not read my last post in that thread or forgot, never said I liked it,remove the right of the leftest groups who allready have a voice & start over is OK with me, but don't exclude some groups & not others.


BTW, It is not relevant if you don't consider me a Conservative &  if you don't feel you are a progressive, I am fine with that! It could be we Judge each other incorrectly.

Waging war with the American Citizen, by thinking those who work to get ahead pay too much taxes, what nonsense.

We will just agree to disagree, no biggie!

[nomosendero]

IG. If RP runs, like all 3rd party people, he won't announce til just before the election, as always. POWDERMAN. 

He would be a better Pesident than a Polititian, no doubt about that but he may learn from the past. But, I have no doubt that we aren't limited to 2 or 3 people. Someone we aren't even thinking about might emerge.

[nomosendero]

Good stats! The one I am always alarmed by is the increasing moral hazard of having a larger and larger population of people not paying income taxes. This makes a large political constituency that will vote to take money from those who pay taxes. That's what happened in Europe.

Well, that's the way it is. We are close to 50% of wage earners not paying income taxes. When over 50% of folks not paying taxes, folks will not be interested in tax reform, rather in getting a raise from those still paying taxes, pretty much where we are going.

[ironglow]

 " The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist at least leaves the skin".   ( Mark Twain )

[Redhawk1]

The Republican party is doing just fine.  I'm proud to be an active member.

Please don't waste your votes on a turd party.

The Tea party is not a third party. If you done see that you need to do some more research. I am not a member of a tea party, I am a board member of a 9-12 group, and we do not support a candidate or party. We support the Constitution and candidates that do as well. It just so happens most Republicans are conservatives and some actually support the Consultation. But the Republicans are just as bad as the democrats, we just need to get rid of the people that don't support the Constitution and conservative views.

[ironglow]

The Republican party is doing just fine.  I'm proud to be an active member.

Please don't waste your votes on a turd party.

The Tea party is not a third party. If you done see that you need to do some more research. I am not a member of a tea party, I am a board member of a 9-12 group, and we do not support a candidate or party. We support the Constitution and candidates that do as well. It just so happens most Republicans are conservatives and some actually support the Consultation. But the Republicans are just as bad as the democrats, we just need to get rid of the people that don't support the Constitution and conservative views.

 Redtail;
    That's the beauty and inherent attraction of the Tea party and 9/12 movement. Not allied with either major party; just want top elect conservative, Constitution respecting candidates.
  As Nomosendoro said, the eventual candidates may not even include Sarah Palin or Ron Paul or a host of others..fresh faces could well appear..there are plenty out there.

[BoomLover]

Ironglow, your right, it's just some feel time is getting short. If there is a viable, Constitutionally minded 3rd candidate out there, make yourself known! The more time we have to get to know you, the better for you and us! 

[jcn59]

There is no funding to elect a third party candidate.   Stop dreaming.

What the TPM may be able to do is to require some integrity and accountability of congress and the presidency.......if they stick together.

[ironglow]

There is no funding to elect a third party candidate.   Stop dreaming.

What the TPM may be able to do is to require some integrity and accountability of congress and the presidency.......if they stick together.

  The principals of the TPM have already said as much. They will endorse the candidate who shows the best evidence of being conservative, Constitutional and limited government ideals. If neither party produces such, then they may post a candidate...probably the one I will vote for if he/she stands any chance at all.
 
      I think it is important to keep in mind, the Tea Party Movement is just that...a movement..not a "party" as of yet. It may or may not become a party, but it is not one yet.

[Redhawk1]

The TEA party has not intention of becoming a 3rd party.
Maybe if some of you got involved in a TEA party or 9-12 group, you would learn exactly what it is all about.

[jcn59]

I am involved with our local Tea Party, are you?

[Redhawk1]

I am involved with our local Tea Party, are you?

Not with the Tea Party, but I am one of the founders of the 9-12 Delaware Patriots and on the board. We have had 3 group dissolve and join out group. The Tea Party wanted to disband and join our group, but there was to much internal problems, and they are tied to the National Tea Party. We told them they needed to contact the National Tea Party and get the proper procedure in place before we could accept there membership list and members. But come to find out, the majority of there members were also members of our group as well.

So I would have to say I am very involved in the grass roots movement. We have meetings 2 time a month in every county in Delaware, we sponsor rallies, we go to legislative hall and meet with our elected officials, we have Candidates that are running for office come to our meetings to address our members.
We have committees working on issues such as, Illegal immigration, Education and Legislative. Our elected officials contact us for meetings now.

I just don't attend meetings and rallies, I am involved in setting them up, and making them happen. So is that good enough for you?

Oh yea, I also have a full time job... My wife is the Operations Director as well for the 9-12 Delaware Patriots, and she also works a full time job.. So between the 9-12 and work, it does not leave much time for fun.

[jcn59]

We need you here in Wisconsin!